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:Hey guys.. thanks for the input.. although it seems pretty split. I am going to go ahead and write a sort of "seed" article for the news section. If anyone wants to go in and make it more of a third-party "review" I would actually welcome that. Perhaps that would ease some of the concerns. I think TravBuddy is a pretty cool resource for travellers.. and I hope you will agree. -Derek
 
:Hey guys.. thanks for the input.. although it seems pretty split. I am going to go ahead and write a sort of "seed" article for the news section. If anyone wants to go in and make it more of a third-party "review" I would actually welcome that. Perhaps that would ease some of the concerns. I think TravBuddy is a pretty cool resource for travellers.. and I hope you will agree. -Derek
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::Me, I welcome any writing for the travel news section as long as it still exists.  I hate it when the newest thing is more than 2 weeks old, sometimes 3 weeks.  If people want to use it to promote their travels sites great!  Newspapers do that sort of thing all the time.  At least we'll have something more current. -- [[User:Mark|Mark]] 15:24, 27 Jan 2006 (EST)

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This is a good idea, but surely newer news should come first, and older stuff is then moved into the archives later? Compare WikiPedia:Current events.

Also, should we adopt Wikipedia's style and have daily headings, or keep 'threads' together? The daily heading style has the major advantage of being easier to maintain, but it's a little harder to follow (esp. without links into full articles). Jpatokal 09:18, 3 Jan 2005 (EST)

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Wikinews?

Please check Wikinews for international news stories; and contribute ones you don't see there. Content on Wikinews is currently all public domain. Sj 14:49, 11 Feb 2005 (EST)

Is this a slippery slope?

I'm wondering -- is publishing daily travel news really part of our goals? I don't know if it's really helping us create a travel guide. Could someone put me straight? --Evan 18:46, 11 Feb 2005 (EST)

I don't think it does any harm... cf. also LP's Travel Ticker. But I think the news here should be kept short, with links to Google News or Wikinews or whatever for the full scoop. Jpatokal 21:17, 11 Feb 2005 (EST)
The sort of news that I see as going here seem to be news items that would affect travel and tourism directly or be of significant interest to travelers, but isn't covered by Wikitravel in other ways. Natural and man-made events that cause unexpected travel disruptions could be candidates as well as stories that affect the traveler's experience. What is there so far is probably the range of things that should be covered.
Although I wouldn't expect a daily news story. I would also like to see positive or good news stories like Tourists Wanted:Thailand tourist industry has recovered from Tsunami and other such news that says the disaster in the other month's news has been overcome and travel is not disrupted any more. These sorts of we're baaaack stories are not carried by other news outlets. -- Huttite 22:37, 11 Feb 2005 (EST)

France riots overstated in English Language press

Hey, I see that news of the riots in French public housing have been added to our travel news section, as it should be. I think though that we would be doing a service to travellers to point out that the impact on travellers is pretty much nil, and that the reports on English language media have been vastly overstated. I was in Paris the nights of the very worst riots, and saw nothing. And I was on a terrace in the 11th, which is in the quarter of the city toward the suburbs where the riots were.

I'm having trouble figuring out a tone for expressing this in the necessarily tiny main page blurb though. How's this: "State of Emergency in France over youth riots in remote public housing sites. Eng.-lang press goes berserk." -- Mark 06:46, 9 Nov 2005 (EST)

"Travellers not affected" for the last bit would be more informative, no? Jpatokal 07:51, 9 Nov 2005 (EST)

OK, so let's either do this or not

I've just updated the Travel News with a couple of stories today which were not huge gigantic headline stories and covered ad infinitum everywhere else. I would like to suggest that tomorrow somebody follow in my footsteps. It's easy: use the google news search to find stories of general travel interest. Read some of them. If it seems fairly important put it on the travel page.

I think that this could be an interesting and useful feature, but it absolutely needs to be updated more often.

If in a couple of days the stories I've just posted are still the most recent stories then I will yank the Travel News section off of the main page simply because there is nothing worse for a website than out-of-date "news".

So travel news supporters: get busy. -- Mark 10:35, 1 Dec 2005 (EST)

I've suggested this before, but it has to be made easier to update the news somehow, the code is a horrible mess and you need to be quite the Wiki-guru to manage it. Only problem is that templating it will be tough because of the three-column format... Jpatokal 11:40, 1 Dec 2005 (EST)
Another option would be to re-use Wikinews content... but alas, they've recently switched from PD to CC by-sa 2.5. Sigh. Of course, it might not be that bad to have the travel news under a mildly different license, because they're highly unlikely to be included in actual printed guides. Jpatokal 11:49, 1 Dec 2005 (EST)
I have to say I took a short-lived stab at adding news everyday, needless to say after breaking the main page 3 or 4 times I actually gave up. I'm happy to keep adding stuff to the travel news page if someone else adds it to the main page (and bumps the old). I dont think getting / writing the news is the problem at all, just the adding to the main page. I'll have another go at it... Majnoona 14:17, 1 Dec 2005 (EST)
I've added stuff here, but I am scared to add it to the main page. Bad things happened to me the last time I tried. --Ravikiran 12:44, 4 Dec 2005 (EST)
I've updated some more, but if others aren't interested, I think we are better off yanking it. It is not a good idea to rely on the sporadic enthusiasm of 1 or 2 people. At least, we should de-emphasise it on the main page. Just link to the headlines or something. --Ravikiran 13:05, 7 Dec 2005 (EST)
I really think the key is making the news easier to update -- but it would need a bot of some sort to automatically rotate out the older stuff, and this really isn't very high on my list of priorities right now.
As a first step, I've outsourced the hairy table formatting stuff into Template:News{left,mid,right}divider, which makes the Main Page a little more user-friendly. And as a second step I just wrote Wikitravel:How to add travel news. Jpatokal 21:29, 7 Dec 2005 (EST)

Templates and one bug

So I've now changed the Main Page to use the templated news item form for consistency, please let me know if you want to change something, find the instructions unclear or difficult, etc.

One odd bug: hitting [edit] for a Template:Newsitem-item results in editing the template, not the section. I'm not sure if this is a bug in MediaWiki or somehow done intentionally. Edit buttons for higher-level headers like "December 2005" still work OK. Jpatokal

Another bug [1]. The presence of an external link seems to break the news. I don't know why the other items aren't giving this problem though. --Ravikiran 06:37, 12 Dec 2005 (EST)

Could my Web site qualify as travel news?

swept in from User talk:Evan by Evan

Some high school friends and I have created a travel networking site at www.travbuddy.com Could I write a news article about the site, its growth, and our goals? Or would that be considered a form of advertising?

Please advise derek AT travbuddy.com or write back here... if thats how this works :)

Thanks!

I think this sounds fine. Any comments on this idea? --Evan 22:52, 26 Jan 2006 (EST)
I think this sounds like a dangerously slippery slope, it's free advertising for an unrelated site . Jpatokal 03:26, 27 Jan 2006 (EST)
Like SAS ? -- Mark 05:16, 27 Jan 2006 (EST)
I'm not sure wildcat strikes are the kind of publicity SAS wants... and yeah, I was thinking of a way to qualify my earlier statement, but there's a difference between an actual(tm) travel service provider like an airline and some random Website like, well, Wikitravel. Jpatokal 06:32, 27 Jan 2006 (EST)
Maybe, but still it is travel related information, and so there should be someplace for it. What better than to put it in Travel News where it will get cycled through eventually? -- Mark 07:20, 27 Jan 2006 (EST)
I've since looked at their web site, and think that there is no reason why it should not be mentioned on the travel news page. Surely, our fundemental aim is to provide a service that helps travelers. We don't allow links to other travel sites, not out of a competitive mind set, but because it would weaken the quality of the Witravel site if the information were not concentrated here, but instead scattered across many web sites - i.e. it would not, in the long term, be in the travelers interest. However, I don't believe that mentioning a new travel guide coming into existance will delute the information on the Wikitravel articles in any way. To the contrary, I think that by offering information that may prove useful to readers will actually be more in accordance with our basic principle: 'traveler first' - just my humble opinion. WindHorse 27 Jan 06
I think this is a slippery slope we ought not decend. Let's restrain Travel News to news of the world that affects travellers. -- Colin 10:31, 27 Jan 2006 (EST)
It seems that the main objection to giving this site space on Wikitravel is less to do with its specific value to travelers, but more to do with the possibility of getting overwhelmed by similar requests, which in many cases may be little more than blogs or advertisements. In that case, each request would need to be reviewed and a criteria established on what is acceptable and what is not. I guess Jpatokal and Colin feel this would be overwhelming. Am I correct? I like the idea of informing contributors/readers of the existance of another site that may be helpful in their travels, but I also agree that Jpatokal and Cjensen have a good point. WindHorse 27 Jan 06
Hey guys.. thanks for the input.. although it seems pretty split. I am going to go ahead and write a sort of "seed" article for the news section. If anyone wants to go in and make it more of a third-party "review" I would actually welcome that. Perhaps that would ease some of the concerns. I think TravBuddy is a pretty cool resource for travellers.. and I hope you will agree. -Derek
Me, I welcome any writing for the travel news section as long as it still exists. I hate it when the newest thing is more than 2 weeks old, sometimes 3 weeks. If people want to use it to promote their travels sites great! Newspapers do that sort of thing all the time. At least we'll have something more current. -- Mark 15:24, 27 Jan 2006 (EST)

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