Talk:Tips for flying
Report anyone suspicious or different to airline personnel immediately
So, I removed a tip to the tune of, "Report anyone suspicious or different to airline personnel immediately." Reporting people who are different seems a little spooky. Can anyone give a better way to say this? Without sounding too McCarthyist? --Evan 02:12, 4 Jun 2004 (EDT)
Avoid booking flight segments close together
I have some problems with this tip. It is predicated on the notion that you have to clear security between flights, which is nonsense on domestic flights at most airports, and ignores the fact that airports differ widely in their ease of getting around. Text revision follows. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 10:26, 24 Sep 2005 (EDT)
Could anyone re-state this more clearly? I'm not sure I understand the complex question well enough for simplyfing it myself.
In my experience, there may be choice on what route your flight will be changed to, but it is really rare case when traveller may decide to not fly at all, even for some compensantion. Another point I'd like to add is that, for example, Austrian Airlines offers 600EUR compensation IN ADDITION to alternative way to flight, not INSTEAD of it. I believe it would be smart to collect such experiences, as such compensation policies are internal to specific companies and are never published officially. --DenisYurkin 06:18, 17 Oct 2005 (EDT)
Can someone clarify what 'Boarding time' means when printed on boarding ticket? Is it 'deadline for boarding' or 'boarding starts at'? --DenisYurkin 14:06, 18 Oct 2005 (EDT)
I haven't been over here in a while, and this has turned into a exemplar "Tips for..." article. The random bullet points layout of many of them is depressing, this is a breath of fresh air. Hypatia 23:27, 24 July 2006 (EDT)
Videos on exercises at your seat
> Most airlines will now periodically show video programs you can follow to get some exercise in your seat
I've never seen such videos on any of european carriers--was it meant primarily US carriers? Changed to SOME instead of MOST in a meanwhile. --DenisYurkin 04:26, 6 November 2006 (EST)
Extended Delay vs Cancelled Flight
We need a clarification in this article on what is considered an Extended/Long Delay (as used in Refund for delayed flight orOfficial Passenger Rights) vs Flight Cancellation. For example, when you have a 24-hour delay due to broken aircraft, which is promised to get repaired and then the flight by that aircraft will be provided (and any other flights by that time declared to be fully booked), is it a long delay or rather a cancelled flight? --DenisYurkin 04:47, 6 November 2006 (EST)
OK for dedicated PassengerRights page?
It looks more convenient to have all the Passenger Rights-related information in a separate page: Overbooking, Flight Cancellation, Long Delays. The main reason for separation is that passenger rights info is needed when you least expect it, unlike the rest of Tips for flying that are read once, in advance and is hardly used during your flights. I would also move there the PassengerRights section from Europe#By plane to have all the related information in one place. Anyone would object on such a separation? --DenisYurkin 06:59, 6 November 2006 (EST)
Delayed flight affected working day
I heard that according to some EU regulations, a delay in flight that overlapped working day for a passenger are subject to certain compensation. Does anyone know any official links to information like this? Any success stories known when a particular sum was compensated for a reason like this? --DenisYurkin 13:09, 7 November 2006 (EST)
luggage can be stolen by airport personnel
> In some airports, security of checked luggage is also an issue, as contents may be stolen by airport personnel while the baggage is in transit to and from your plane.
In early-90s Russia this was also the case, especially when many people bought PCs and VCRs in Moscow and they brought it themselves to their regions by air. Typical solution for that in Russia was to bribe personnel who normally handles luggage after it's checkied in.
Does it make sense to put a recommendation like this? BTW, Justfred, in what countries do you think it still happens? --DenisYurkin 06:09, 28 November 2006 (EST)
Just a couple of things about direct/nonstop flights. First, they are not always more expensive than those with mere stopovers. In fact, when I recently checked the price of tickets for a certain airline, those where one had to change planes/make a stopover turn out to be more expensive. Second, direct flights in some cases may not use the same aircraft on all legs. For instance, when I was travelling back to Manila from LA in 1999, I had to stopover via Osaka and we were on a certain flight number for Northwest. From LA to Osaka, we used a 747-200 while from Osaka to Manila, a 747-400 was utilised, all carrying the same flight number. Other things that can change in each leg of a direct flight is the crew who will be accompanying passengers on succeeding legs. Depending on the airline and airport, passengers continuing on a direct flight will have to a) stay on the aircraft, b) wait in the transit area to be reboarded onto that same aircraft, c) choose either a or b or d) change planes.
--184.108.40.206 02:26, 20 December 2006 (EST)
E-ticket vs. the paper ticket
Another suggestion I have is to try to put a section dedicated to e-tickets and comparing and contrasting them with paper tickets, giving their respective pros and cons.
When are paper tickets scheduled to be phased-out? --Jr traveller 21:08, 22 December 2006 (EST)
What to carry on
One of the tips in the said section says "Take a large bottle of water with you. Airliner cabins are very dry and drinking plenty of water helps to avoid dehydration." Aren't liquids, including bottled water brought in by passengers banned in some places unless purchased at stalls beyond security checkpoints? Besides, the "During the flight" section tells us that water is available upon request from the flight attendants. --220.127.116.11 10:44, 21 December 2006 (EST)
As for the banned liquids, do you know the specific limits in the US and the UK in terms of quantity and packaging (i.e. how many quarts should each liquid be and where should they fit-in)? --Jr traveller 11:59, 22 December 2006 (EST)
Keeping fares low
Some airlines, particularly low budget carriers say to passengers that to keep prices low, they should pick-up rubbish, give them to the flight attendant as well as pick up pillows and blankets and keeping them on the seat? I would like to believe that is truth to this but is this really true? If so, what other moves do airlines suggest and why would these keep fares low? I would like to include a section like this in the article, thanks. --18.104.22.168 09:49, 22 December 2006 (EST)
What they're saying is that they haven't hired as many flight attendants per passenger (compared to more expensive airlines), and the only way this will work out - and they'll be able to continue doing it this way - is if passengers put in a little effort to make the job easier for those attendants. Of course it's also courteous to people who have an often-demanding job, and who don't have any say in how many people the airline hires anyway. - Todd VerBeek 21:19, 22 December 2006 (EST)
First-time travellers vis-a-vis veteran travellers
Is it all right if I create a separate/dedicated article walking through the common check-in methods, along with their pros, cons and when it is best to use them? --Jr traveller 01:47, 23 December 2006 (EST)
How to Make Life Easier for Flight Crew
I am wondering if there any interest in creating a section about how we passengers can make life easier for the board crew?
For example, I'd welcome recommendations on how to make easier for stewards to welcome every passenger upon boarding, or to say goodbye to every one leaving the plane at the destination airport.
Personally, I can share the only tip for now--to encourage and support a crew member who faced mass complaints on passengers, in cases like long delay.
Any interest from the community in developing a section like this? --DenisYurkin 15:51, 20 January 2007 (EST)
I once included a tip which involved giving rubbish to them when they walk down the aisle as it can be a way of keeping fares low according to others. Maybe we should include a section on what one can do to make these fares lower and write down making life easier for them as one way. --Jr traveller 01:28, 30 January 2007 (EST)
booking online vs. via physically going to a ticket office
When would be the best time to book online and best time to book by physically going to a ticket office? What are the pros and cons of each? While I find online booking fascinating, the problem with it is that you have to pay immediately unlike when going to a ticket office where you are more likely allowed to hold it for a couple of days before payment is needed. Online booking can be frustrating if one requires a visa for his destination and there is no guarantee of it being granted. I suggest we make a subsection on that under planning your trip. --Jr traveller 05:08, 30 January 2007 (EST)
Denied Boarding: Flight Cancellation or Overbooking?
I wonder how Flight Cancellation and Overbooking in this article correspond to Denied Boarding in Europe. I would vote for consistency in terminology between the two pages, if we are still not ready to merge these two sections into a single page.
And if Denied Boarding also includes Flight Cancellation, I would add a link to European passenger rights from this piece, to which European policies are an exception:
> Unlike with overbooking, passengers are not legally entitled to any compensation except the unplanned expenses of food and hotels.
--DenisYurkin 09:09, 24 February 2007 (EST)
travel arrangers show statistics on delays
> Many of the on-line travel arrangers show statistics on how often a given flight arrives on time
Can we add some examples of such arrangers and the countries they have operations? I never seen such information with Russian online agents, and I don't remember seeing it at European arrangers (although I didn't have too many of them). --DenisYurkin 09:14, 24 February 2007 (EST)
There are thousands and thousands of airports out there. Are we going to list all or most of their websites in this article? Why don't we list the websites of the most traveled to/from airports instead?
Split to Fundamentals of flying
I've pulled the mass of Flying 101 material from this article and placed it in Fundamentals of flying. As Jpatokal has pointed out, this article had become a mishmash of tips for fairly experienced flyers, and a primer on how commercial air travel works, suitable for neither audience. I generally moved entire sections based on which they seemed most suitable for, and I may have moved/left information in the "wrong" article in the process; please feel free to make appropriate adjustments. - Todd VerBeek 11:21, 24 March 2007 (EDT)
Given the split of Fundamentals of flying I wonder if we should consider a name change to make this one sound less like a grab bag of random thoughts editors might have on flying. "Tips for easier flying"? "Tips for frequent flyers"? Hypatia 19:18, 22 June 2007 (EDT)