Difference between revisions of "Talk:Stockholm"
Revision as of 14:50, 23 April 2012
Did someone get half way through splitting this article up into districts? There are a bunch of created district articles with no info in. I think the article is getting a bit long and could do with splitting up a bit. There is a list of 17 districts buried in the article but not visible yet, but do we really need them all? I think three or four different districts might be a better proposition...
The 17 suggested districts are:
The Stockholm School of Economics?
When looking at the See section, the Stockholm School of Economics feels like a somewhat odd inclusion. All the other listings have a more or less obvious tourist appeal. While it might be interesting to include some places where tourists wouldn't normally go, this place isn't the first on my list of potential listings in that category. I'm going to be bold and cut it from the article for now. If someone wants to include it, I'd be grateful for suggestions on what to call the subheader it should be placed under.
The full text of the listing is below. /Alarm 16:00, 20 January 2008 (EST)
It seems to me the description of the "Ice Age to IKEA" walking tour is rather lacking. The tour is described simply as a "performance tour." First, this is unclear. I imagined for a moment people in a tour group walking fast and swinging their arms. Besides this being a fairly ludicrous (albeit humorous) image, I remembered I had read about this tour, and had gathered that it is led by tour guides in Viking costumes, is perhaps generally Viking-themed, and is intended to be "comedic," as stated on the company's website. It seems to me the writer could have given a more detailed description while remaining objective. I plan to visit Stockholm in the near future, so if no one has elaborated on that section by the time I get back, I plan to add more detail to that part. I don't feel good editing that section at this time, not having personally experienced the tour.
OK, I've been to Stockholm now, and my husband and I failed to take the tour. We ate lunch at a cafe on Stortorget with the intention of grabbing the tour after lunch. As we were settling our bill, I noticed that a young woman who appeared to be dressed in street clothes was standing near the Gallivant Productions Viking tour sign, which was in front of the Nobel Museum. I figured she was another tourist waiting for the tour guide to turn up. My husband went to use the restaurant's restroom before we walked over there to wait. At about 2 minutes till time for the Viking tour to start, the young woman near the sign walked away across the square. I then saw a cheap-looking brown cloak flow out behind her as she walked, and realized this must have been the Gallivant Productions "Viking" tour guide. Therefore we missed the tour. I must say that based on what we saw on their website and their blog, my husband and I were expecting the guide to be wearing a bit more costuming than a brown cloak of a quality that one might find at a cheap costume shop. At least a horned helmet would have made the tour guide more recognizable as such. Based on the lack of costuming effort on the guide's part, and the fact that she left a couple of minutes early, we concluded that the company, or at the very least that particular guide, was not trying very hard at this point in time. Granted, since no one else appeared to be waiting for the tour, she might have ended up deciding it wasn't worthwhile to do the tour for just two people even if my husband had managed to catch her before she left, but we were definitely underwhelmed by the apparent lack of effort we saw. Maybe someone else will have better luck with it.
After reading the article and the talk (and the talk on DotM), I think we could really stand to districtify Stockholm, with the proviso that it's easy to walk from one district to the next.
I like the districts we have now, but they need their own articles. Foretopsail 16:10, 11 May 2010 (EDT)
The Eastern and the Western Suburbs are often seen as parts of southern Stockholm. I dont think that västerort and the norhern suburbs should be merged as västerort is a part of Stockholm city while the northern Suburbs are independent cities with a different enviroment. Söderort and Västerort are (besides from the central area) the most important areas and should have their own articles. --184.108.40.206 11:24, 17 September 2010 (EDT)
In my opinion Stockholm could be districtified as your uppermost picture, plus one article combining all the suburbs called e.g. just "Suburban Stockholm". That one could also of course contain information concerning metropolitan municipalities like Sundbyberg, Solna etc.. If someone writes more information on areas in Greater Stockholm further away like Södertälje, there could be separate North, West, and South articles like it has been done in London. As for now there is definitely not enough information concerning each one of the suburbs to justify own articles for them - we'll end up with a stub collection like Prague or Warsaw. Ypsilon 09:17, 25 January 2011 (EST)
I agree w/ the previous -- a tourist will care mainly about 1. Gamla Stan, 2. Södermalm, 3. Djurgården/Skeppsholmen/Östermalm/Norrmalm and 4. Kungsholmen. The outlying suburbs should be separate. I'd also be tempted to lump Djurgården/Skeppsholmen in with Gamla Stan since they fit thematically a little better with the touristy stuff, and leave Östermalm/Norrmalm as a standalone entry for shopping. --Roya 11:14, 31 January 2011 (EST)
--ClausHansen 11:57, 10 May 2011 (EDT)
Stay Safe Section
There is too much highly subjective information in the Stay Safe section. It appears that there are some too intent on pushing their anti-immigrant stance with relation to the suburbs of Stockholm coupled with some of the rhetoric about crime that is totally at odds with crime statistics.
Whilst Sweden (according to statistics published by Eurostat) has shown an increase in crime levels, the levels of violent crime are below the average for Western Europe (amongst the lowest for Europe) coupled with one of the lowest murder rates of 1.05 in Western Europe. If the statistics were to be believed, one would be far more likely to be attacked in London (~4x the risk of violent crime to Stockholm according to Eurostat) yet previously another editor had said that Stockholm had a similar rate of crime to London or New York, which is completely erroneous.
It is important to put these warnings into context rather than subjecting prospective visitors to hyperbole and or political rhetoric. This is not what Wikitravel was intended for. Telling prospective visitors to not wear jewellery in public is downright ridiculous and completely over the top as no similar European cities issue such warnings. If one were to believe the previous warnings, one would be taking less care in Johannesburg (based on their stay safe section) compared to Stockholm, and given the respective crime rates I find this a rather difficult pill to swallow.
I believe, in closing, that the most supportive information comes from observing The Mercer Livability Study which has rated Stockholm as the 6th safest city in the world with regards to personal safety. If this is not a good enough guide to put this section into a global perspective then I fear for the wikipedia editors.
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Globentrekker 16:25, 10 April 2012 (EDT)
This article is currently heavy with many images of so-so quality: overexposed, underexposed, or shot from very uninspiring angles. Many of them are also quite similar, going against the "no more images than necessary" policy. Also, the layout is messed up with huge white walls especially at HD resolution. Cleanup time, fellas. (I'll get to it when I get the time, if nobody does it before me). Jake73 02:29, 16 April 2012 (EDT)