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I moved the CIA factbook info to Talk:Spain/CIA World Factbook 2002 import for reference. -- Evan 09:49, 18 Nov 2003 (PST)

Suggestion/Question for Sleep Section

I swore I either saw it here on Wikitravel or maybe it was on Wikipedia, but I can't seem to find it.

Wherever I found it, I recall that there are these monasteries in Spain that are reasonably priced that allow you to spend the night in the monastery with some monks (a lot like Shukubō in Japan).

Anyone know what I'm talking about? If so, maybe it should be added. --129.21.117.115

i ve honestly no idea what you re talking about but what i do know is that the guide "lonelyplanet" gives a great overview over the "youth hostels" in barcelona... i wouldnt wonder if that would be true for all lonelyplanet guides. good book shops even have them in english language in spain!

Regions

So, I've checked a couple of other Web sites with region information for Spain:

We seem to be in rough agreement, I believe. --Evan 11:16, 17 Dec 2003 (PST)

About Languages in Spain

I am a Spaniard myself, so that I would like to comment (before editing anything) about the languages on the "Spain" page. Spain has one official language in the whole country (Spanish), which is spoken and understood by (almost) all the population. There are also three other coofficial languages in their respective regions (Catalonia, Basque Country and Galicia), which are spoken by a moderate number of people (catalan is, by far, the most spoken one of the three, and roughly 70% of the population in Catalonia can speak and understand it). The article seems to imply that Spanish is only spoken by ca. 74% of the population, which is totally inaccurate, an a likely source of trouble for people wishing to visiy my country. Could someone please change it to reflect the real stand of things? Thanks Miguel

-- More about languages in Spain: I'm a galician myself, don't know if a spaniard, and I would like to say that Catalan is not the most spoken regional language in tems of percentage in Spain. Galician language is talked as primary language by 80% of the our population, specially in the country areas, but it has less social recognition than Catalan, for instance. In some cities, specially in la Coruña, it's quite strange to hear it in the city center, but in virtually every small town, Galician is the first language for daily communication.


I am a long-time traveler to Galicia and to Euskadi. One needs to be very careful with terms like "region" - which I have commented on in my editing. It is important indeed to recognize that within an autonomy, a language such as Galician is know and used by a majority of the population. At one point Galician was spoken by 90% of the people. Travelers who use th elanguage may get odd looks, but it also opens many doors. I know this from over 25 years of experience and research on the area. Respect for the local character is vital for getting the most out of travel. And yes, it is entirely possible that less than 3/4 of the population of Spain speaks Spanish - as a native langauge, it probably doesn't even reach that high. Many people still recall that Franco used to sign death sentences for people who were from one of the nationalities on the periphery of the country. Kathleen


Of the three recognized regional languages, galician is not the one in the most precarious state... that dubious honour would fall on basque.--65.212.107.3 13:22, 22 October 2006 (EDT)

Well, now it is the turn for the Catalan, right? So I am a Catalan myself. I have ammended things such as the word Las before the word Islas because it does not belong to the name, like we don't say The United Kingdom but The UK. Also, I have to say that Catalan is spoken absolutely everywhere in Catalunya. The only regions you would not find that 100% of people speaks it is between, say, Salou and just after Barcelona in the coast. This is because it is the area with more tourisim and more immigration from in and out of Spain. If you are in the second town coast inside, this is like 10KM or so, you will have a hard time to find Spanish speaking people. Though, most of the people in Catalunya speak Spanish. I said most because there are a good percentage of people in Catalunya that speak Catalan period.
I would like to add that the names of the comunities are sometimes only possible in the language of the comunity. For instance, Catalunya is the only way to write it. This happens as well with Illes Balears, Girona, A Coruña, Ourense, Lleida, Vitoria-Gasteiz and ALL the rest of the cities of Catalunya and Illes Balears. With the Basque County, the standard Basque name is suposed to be used. In València, most of them can be referred as using both the Catalan and the Spanish word. This is official, decided in the Parliament. Here[1] you have a guide (in Spanish).
Also, I'd like to talk about the language of València. As a linguist I have to say that it is Catalan. As a human being that reads the news, I would say it is Valencià. The Statute of València says that Valencian is the language of València. They don't like it to be called a dialect of Catalan, so we should respect that. But, whatever it is called (I am fine if we say that the language of Catalunya is Valencià) we speak the same. Remember that "Catalan" per se does not exist, as all of us speak a dialect of a language that no one really speaks, i.e. we all speak either the variant of this town or this other place.
Also, I'd like to say that I have changed some influence stuff. It was said that Catalan has influence of French. But this isn't true. The same influence Spanish has of Italian. All this languages are dialects of the same Latin language. Perhaps in the middle ages we could talk about an influence, but not now. They are closely related, yes, but not influencied. If I speak Catalan to a French they will understand me as much as an English speaking to a Dutch. Also, about Aranès, I changed it to say that it is closely related to Occitan (There is the same problem like Catalan and Valencian: Provençal, Occitan and Aranès are very related and some say it is the same language, especially the first two).
Lastly I want to say, just as an addition, that in the Balearic Islands, most comonly, don't have this name of the language problem.

The Spanish Provinces

Spain subdivides it's regions into provinces. At the moment, I would feel that these are too small for Wikitravel and the regions would normally be all we would need. The problem is that the provinces all tend to be named after their main town. eg Malaga (city), Malaga (province), Granada (city), Granada (province), leading to confusion and disabiguation pages for all these places. Should we avoid creating the province article where possible??? -- DanielC 10:29, 4 Jun 2005 (EDT)

Renfe, fastest connection

i would add it myself but i cant express properly what i mean so i ll just give you an example:

If you wanna go from Barcelona to Salmanca (a town between madrid and portugal) the RENFE Homepage and the personal at the trainstation will only give you the DIRECT connection between Salamanca and Barcelona. They dont look up if it would be faster to take a train to Madrid and from Madrid to Barcelona. (or if the direct train is full)

I ve no clue why they dont do that...

So: You may wanna add that...

Topics, topics and more topics

This article is fulfilled with topics. E.g, it is said that southern Spain (Andalusian Country) is mostly desert.That's FALSE. Andalusia has high-mountain zones and very-green ones. The desert zone is Almeria, in eastern Andalusia.

Who has written it?

It doesn't matter who wrote it -- just go ahead and fix it. -- Colin 11:58, 6 August 2006 (EDT)
The contributors are listed at the bottom of the page as well as in the page history (click on the tab at the top). Again, please feel free to edit the page! Maj 12:09, 6 August 2006 (EDT)
Of course, it was a "retoric" question. I've tried to fix it. Let's hope i've improved the article.

Toooooooooo many cities!

Who knows enough to edit down the city list to 9?

Here's a start...

  • Barcelona
  • Bilbao
  • Granada
  • Seville
  • Valencia

Cacahuate 11:14, 16 December 2006 (EST)

I would add San Sebastián and Cordoba (city). That makes seven, so can still add two more - How about Santander and Cadiz to round off? WindHorse 11:29, 16 December 2006 (EST)
Just realized that Madrid was not on your original list, so maybe skip Cadiz. It is an old city, but these days is not one of Spain's top commercial or tourist centers - though perhaps the north west corner is over represented with Bilbao, Santander and San Sebastian..... thoughts? WindHorse 11:39, 16 December 2006 (EST)
oops, I just went forward and made those first nine... I don't know actually, perhaps leave it until someone objects? Cacahuate 11:47, 16 December 2006 (EST)
I think you were making the change when I was adding the last comment. Anyway, I agree. Let's just leave the current list until someone offers a different opinion. WindHorse 11:52, 16 December 2006 (EST)
Sometimes these big lists indicate that the subject area has not been sufficiently filled out in Wikitravel. It's a good idea to ensure that each of the cities you're delinking is still linked to from somewhere. Thanks for working on this! I checked and it looks like just Ávila needs to be de-orphaned by being placed into some region. -- Colin 13:03, 16 December 2006 (EST)
Aaah, good point, will heed in future! Thanks! Cacahuate 13:22, 16 December 2006 (EST)