Stubs for other Shanghai districts coming up. Please feel free to add/edit all hanzi and pinyin, my Japanese IME isn't really set up for dealing with simplified Chinese...! Jpatokal 14:28, 13 Sep 2004 (EDT)
The metro map is really out of date. Go to exploreshanghai.com for the latest one.
you should have a section on this. They are RARE. > Public library (see my entry in wikipedia article) > east yuyuan road 30th ph 62476808 .. but there are a few more. Oh. and mention to forget about watching youtube videos, youtube is blocked in china... blogspot, too. 188.8.131.52 02:34, 20 July 2009 (EDT) y23
Wangjianshuo, master of all things Shanghai, says a taxi from PVG to central Shanghai costs 110/130/150 for Pudong/People's Square/Hongqiao respectively. 80 won't get you even to Longyang Rd. Jpatokal 00:23, 23 Jun 2005 (EDT)
- An anonymous user changed the above text to "Wangjianshuo, master of all things Shanghai, says a taxi from PVG to central Shanghai costs 130/150/170 for Pudong/People's Square/Hongqiao respectively. 80 won't get you even to Longyang Rd. Jpatokal Updated to reflect first Shanghai Taxi meter increase in 7 years. Nov-06(EDT)". I reverted based on the principle that you shouldn't edit other people's comments, but I thought the info might be useful. -- Jonboy 11:25, 6 November 2006 (EST)
Taxi price is not expensive and the Taxi is very clean.
If you are just hopping about , omg taxis are so cheap, in the usa or canada, a 20 dollar cab ride is like 2 usd here in GZ, most of the time its less that 10 rmb
As you make your way towards the airport's exit and towards the sliding glass doors, just inside you will see a sign posted on the wall listing the approximate taxi rates for various parts of town in English and Chinese. The taxi queue is located outside the glass doors. Beware of those offering rides outside of the official line - those vehicles are often illegal and drivers will attempt much higher rates than you would pay in a metered taxi.
Restaurants into districts
Can somebody sort out the following into the correct districts? Jpatokal 06:48, 11 Jul 2005 (EDT)
Good places to eat in downtown are as follows:
1. Shanghai dish Wu Li Xiang (屋里香食府) Address：164 Nanchang Road , near Sinan Road (卢湾区南昌路164号近思南路) Tel: 53065462
3. Thai dish
Coconut Paradise(椰香天堂泰国料理) Address: 38 Fumin Road, near Julu Road( 富民路38号，靠近巨鹿路) Tel: 62481998
4. Si Chuan dish (famous for its spicy taste **highly recommended**)
Qiao Jiang Nan (俏江南) Address: 28 Taojiang Road, near Baoqing Road 徐汇区桃江路28号-1（近宝庆路） Tel: 021-64452582 64452581
5. Cantonese dish
Crystal Jade 翡翠酒家 Address: 2nd floor 6-7 Xin Tian Di, 123 Xinye Road(卢湾区兴业路123弄新天地南里6-7号2楼 ) Tel: 021-63858752
LUWAN DISTRICT (this particular Crystal Jade location)
moved from guide, I dont think it really belongs in "Learn" as is 184.108.40.206 11:51, 25 May 2006 (EDT)
This is unchecked, but Shanghai also has a bustling contemporary art scene. Many of China's most important and up and coming artists are centered in the small galleries around the town. Example: www.shanghartgallery.com
I'm not sure about the remarks on the maglev train. First, "it's a bit of hike", I disagree as the only problem I see is that at the airport you need to walk a few minutes to get there, but the transfer is flat (no climbing/stairs/elevators) and parts of it have a conveyor. I don't see how that counts again the maglev train, it's a longer "hike" to just get out of, say, Amsterdam Airport; or for example, just transferring terminals at Heathrow requires you to take a 20 minute bus ride. So how is a five minute walk a hike ? At the other end of the line the transfer to the subway is a little more involved as you do need to descend, but at the same time the distance is much shorter (one minute ?). Also, about the "practical means of transport". I think it should be recommended, as it's cheaper and faster to first use maglev to get halfway to the city, and then transfer to a taxi to the final destination; example, northern shanghai <-> airport by taxi is about 150Y; but about 100Y total airport -> maglev -> taxi. If the final destination is within reach from the subway, then it's of course even easier, and price is not a concern as the subway doesn't even reach the airport. All in all I think this is pretty much the same kind of experience as say taking the Keisei line and then jumping on the Yamanote line at Ueno, but much faster :) — but I don't think anyone regards Keisei as an unpractical tourist ride.
Shopping in Shanghai overview
Shopping in Shanghai is a very enjoyable experience. Big brands are setting up branches and small unique shops mushroom at many corners of the city. With a little patience, sharp observation, ability to endure long walks and bargaining skills, you can buy to your heart's content in the commercial capital of China.
Big shopping malls are convenient to find quality products and supermarkets offer a wide range of products at reasonable prices. Renowned areas offer Shanghai-style souvenirs at unbelievably low prices. To test or improve your bargain skills, there is no better place than Shanghai. Some booth owners even speak good English, Korean and Japanese.
Shanghai has become a shopping paradise for visitors mainly because of its reputed streets, including Nanjing Road, the country's No.1 Commercial Street, Huaihai Road, a street of world-famous brands and latest fashions to attract customers from all over the world, and Xujiahui, a shopping center gathering clothes, shoes, food, cosmetics, digital products and entertainment centers together within a circle.
§ Paying attention to different expressions for discounts. The Chinese sign "7折" means 30 percent off, while "8折" means 20 percent off.
§ Take tissues when going to toilets. Even in some big department stores, tissues are not within reach around the lavatory. Make sure you have them at hand before it’s too late.
§ Some shopping assistants may follow you in some big stores. You can tell them you are just having a look and ask them to leave you alone.
Shopping in supermarkets
The majority of locals shop in supermarkets, because they offer all sorts of products at very reasonable price. Sometime a product can be 20 percent cheaper in a supermarket than in convenient stores.
These supermarkets are run by Chinese retailers as well as foreign companies.
Big supermarkets include Lotus, Carrefour and Lianhua, some of which are offering imported goods (particularly take note of FreshMart, located at exit 2 of Jing An Temple station; they have a particularly good selection of imported goods).
§ Before entering the supermarket, don't forget to put your carrying-on into a locker outside the supermarket and keep a paper with password.
§ Remember to watch out the expiry data for fresh foods, such as yogurt.
For those coming from out-of-town, buying souvenirs for friends and loved ones at home is a mission indispensable. In many cases the success of a trip depends on the quality of the souvenirs.
We will recommend you some good places to get them, one in Yuyuan Garden and another in Duolun Road, which are consisting of varieties of goods.
Fuzhou Road is famous for its book stores. On it there are a Shanghai Book Town, Ancient Book Shop and a store exclusively selling foreign books and foreign-language textbooks, which are listed along the road.
Generally, customers can bargain with sales person in small shops in the city. And on some streets, bargain becomes a inevitable way to buy cheap stuff. Click the name of each road on the image above to enter the page.
Shopping for souvenirs
Chinese souvenirs are available in almost every corner of the city. But for quality souvenirs at a good price, we would recommend you two places where a collection of souvenir shops or dealers can be found.
Yuyuan Garden Yuyuan Garden, whose construction started in 1559, is the most obvious choice for buying souvenirs.
Recent years, Yuyuan Garden is also famous for wholesale and retail markets around it. These markets sell varieties of Chinese-style products at a relatively low price, (compared with their price in overseas that will be extremely low,) Wholesalers can get the low price more easily, and ordinary customers may need bargain with seller.
Follow Fuyou Road and go south, on the east side (or the left side, if you follow our direction) is a big market. It is divided into many small stores, selling mirrors, Chinese knots, socks, stuff toys, watches, crystal products, pearl bags and handset decorations. Most goods are displayed on the first floor, while other floors are not as popular as it.
But you should have more patience because roads between lines of stores are quite narrow with crowded people, and you are easily got lost in the busy market, so wandering in order is a smart idea.
Leaving the market and keeping heading south along Fuyou Road, you will find another market selling crystal and agate products, "Shanghai Crystal Street," also on the east side (still the left side) of the road.
In it you can find crystals or agates of different shapes, sparkling and attractive. But all the stores sell similar goods so you need some special knowledge to tell which of them are of better quality and figure out the real price of them. (You may find tips later.)
Opposite to the crystal market is the "Fuyuan Shopping Mall." On the first floor, you can find lace products, which are cute while a little rough, fake hair, pearl bags, personal ornaments, teapot, chopsticks, embroidery, and ancient-Chinese-style dolls. The second floor of the mall sells heath-care products.
At last, when you enter the Yuyuan Garden, you will see "The Show of Special Skill by Folk Craftsmen," which displays folk techniques. You can buy a paper-cutting of your side figure, or a pencil sketch of your appearance, or buy a doll made by china.
On the China Gift & Specialty Street, you can find products combined with China's old customs and current fashions, like chopsticks, walking sticks, instruments, bags, pearls, cups, bowls, chinas, scissors, combs, embroidered shoes, poker cards and chesses with special print, umbrellas and pens. These goods are for appreciation rather than for practical use.
You may have no idea of what you want to buy when wandering into this pedestrian area. But the more stores you look at, the more things you would want to buy.
Duolun Road Duolun Road is a short and quite street gathered with stores selling products passed from old Shanghai and goods with cultural sense. In old Shanghai, many modern literature figures, such as Lu Xun, Mao Dun, Guo Moruo and Ye Shentao, used to live in it. It also regarded as "an epitome of the change of Shanghai."
The stores on the street seem deep and dark, with old but precious products filled the rooms. They sell things as well as purchase valuable products. The street itself is like a museum, and walking on it, you can feel the custom and fashion of old Shanghai.
Pianos, maps, photos, typewriters, printing machine, comic strips, calligraphy and paintings, relics and western craft workers can be found along the road.
Besides these stores, you can also have a great fun in galleries, art halls, churches and coffee shops.
Transport: Take Metro Line No.3 or 8 and get off at Hongkou Football Stadium Station, then walk along Sichuan Rd.N towards South. Duolun Road is connected with Sichuan Rd.N in the north.
You can print out "带我去多伦路"("Take me to Duolun Road" in Chinese) to show to your taxi driver.
Longhua Temple Longhua, located in southwestern Shanghai, is the only ancient town preserved in the city's downtown area. Although it doesn't have as many as department stores as the Xujiahui commercial area, you will be able to find something there that is typically Chinese.
Surrounded by a group of ancient buildings, including the Longhua Temple and Longhua Pagoda, this area's main attraction is in its vendor stands. Fine examples of workmanship are displayed along the pedestrian street near Longhua Pagoda. What is on sale there is certainly in traditional Chinese style. The goods cover a wide range from beautifully wrought jade articles, ancient coins to Chinese knots and ink stones.
The asking prices of most of the goods along the street ranges from 80 yuan to 1,000 yuan. Don't feel stunned when the vendors give you a high price. Because here, bargaining is routine work. You can bargain with the vendors for further reductions and get a reasonable price — sometimes even beyond your expectations.
In Longhua, you can experience a real Chinese atmosphere, buy attractive and original souvenirs and enjoy a large variety of recreational activities. Because everyday is a temple fair!
If you want to buy jade, you can never be too careful because of the risk of buying fake jade. In general, the value of jade is determined according to its color and the intensity of that color, the vivacity and texture, and its clarity and transparency. The opening hours are usually from 7 am to 5 pm. The best time to go there is in April and May when the annual Longhua Temple Fair is held. If you're hungry, there are several restaurants serving local delicacies along the way. Transport: You can print out "带我去龙华寺," ("Take me to Longhua Temple" in Chinese), hail a taxi at Xujiahui or Shanghai Stadium Metro Stations and handle the note to taxi driver.
You can also take Metro Line.3 and get off at Longcao Road, then walk along Longcao Road to the east and turn to West Longhua Road. If you see the Longhua Pagoda, then you are at the right place.
Shanghai Metro overview
Five Metro lines operate in Shanghai. Line 1 stretches from Xinzhuang to Gongfu Xincun, Line 2 from Zhongshan Park to Zhangjiang High-Tech District, Line 3 from Jiangwan Town to Shanghai South Railway Station, Line 5 from Xinzhuang to Minhang Development District.
Reaching almost every corner of the city, covering all the prosperous areas, the Metro is the fastest and most convenient way to move about in the downtown area. It takes no more than half an hour from Xinzhuang to People’s Square. Of course, it is much cheaper than taxis.
There are stations where several Metro lines meet. An interchange station is a station where you can change for other lines without meeting a ticket barrier. A transfer station, however, is one where you have to leave the first line through a ticket barrier and then be charged for another line (except for those with subway passes; in that case the second entry will link to the first so that it is treated as one trip).
However, the Metro has its disadvantages. It is extremely crowded in rush hours and Line 1 is crowded in whatever hours. Be wary of thieves, both on the train and on the platform, especially when it is extremely crowded.
Shanghai is going to build 10 new Metro lines from 2005 to 2012, stretching 389 kilometers. Total kilometrage of Shanghai Metro System is expected to reach 510 kilometers by 2012, among which 400 kilometers are going to put in use before 2010 Expo. Construction of four of the lines will start this year.
Beware of the difference between "interchange" and "transfer". At the interchange stations (e.g. People’s Square Station), you don’t have to buy a new ticket for changing to another line, but at the transfer ones (e.g. Shanghai Railway Station), you will have to.
It is strongly advisable to buy tickets from a ticket vending machine which automatically calculates the fare according to the destination station you specifies. However, general knowledge of how the fare is calculated will be helpful. Download from the following table printable PDF files showing fares of all possible journeys.
A transport card holder can get a 10 percent discount on every Metro ride after spending more than 70 yuan on the card in a month.
1. Hi. I deleted this review as I could not find any information on it:
Genbao Football Base and Football Hotel invested and established by Mr. Xu Genbao, the famous domestic football coach. It is just next to Shanghai Baodao Resort.
Thanks.--MarinaK 19:39, 14 October 2008 (EDT)MarinaK.
2. hello, added a wrongly deleted tour listing - resulting in the section accidentally vanishing. Sincere apologies to friendly TOUR providers - unfortunately couldn't figure out how to restore the section. Anyone able to offer assistance? 28Jan2011 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 220.127.116.11 (talk • contribs)
The writing was poor for the Get Out section of Shanghai, and I deleted this paragraph as it was unnecessary and did not make much sense. Shaoxing is known for its stinky food, and they are really stinky. You may have tried the fried stinky tofu in Shanghai, but that's the least stinky food among the numerous varieties you'll find in Shaoxing.
--MarinaK 20:12, 14 October 2008 (EDT)MarinaK.
Solar Eclipse in Shanghai!!
There will be a (total) solar eclipse in Shanghai next year (22 July 2009, from around 9.30-10am) How I wish I could go there. Chinzh
The Shanghai article is right now a mess because a lot of listings belonging to the districts are in the main article (and are not listified). I would like to help sorting this out, but I find it difficult as I do not see any defintions of the districts. So, I would like to ask: are the districts as they are now as they should be? or does anybody have any thoughts on needed changes to the districts? And can somebody give some advise on the definitions of the different districts (ideally by providing a map)? --ClausHansen 13:11, 13 April 2009 (EDT) --
- The district classification is a mess. The French Concession hasn't existed for decades, and when it did, actually spanned both Luwan and Xuhui districts. And Nanjing Lu is a road by the way. It's going to be a nightmare to clean this up, but if someone's kind enough to do it, I would like to put forward a suggestion that we break up the entire city from scratch and re-categorise the areas according to the official delineation of administrative divisions. These are:
- In Pudong:
- 浦东新区 Pudong New District
- In Puxi:
- 静安区 Jingan District, 黄浦区 Huangpu District, 普陀区 Putuo District, 卢湾区 Luwan District, 闸北区 Zhabei District, 徐汇区 Xuhui District, 虹口区 Hongkou District, 杨浦区 Yangpu District, 长宁区 Changning District
- 南汇区 Nanhui District, 嘉定区 Jiading District, 宝山区 Baoshan District, 松江区 Songjiang District, 金山区 Jinshan District, 青浦区 Qingpu District, 闵行区 Minhang District, 奉贤 Fengxian District, 崇明县 Chongming County
- For now, most of the article revolves around Pudong and Puxi.
- Lai.jack 09:52, 16 April 2009 (EDT)
- I agree that this seems to be a reasonable way forward. However, it is a lot of districts, maybe some of them, especially in 'other', could be merged. Any thoughts on that? and on which to merge? --ClausHansen 11:32, 16 April 2009 (EDT)
- I don't, I think The Bund, The French Concession and Pudong should be kept, since they mean something even to people with no connection to Shanghai, and are actual destinations for tourists - I don't mind if you redefine their borders, but I really don't think they should be dropped. I'd suggest something like this
- The Bund (Yan'an Road - to Waibaidu Bridge)
- French Concession (Xuhai & Luwan districts) - Also a handy way of merging two quite similar districts to something with a sensible name
- Old City (Yuyuan).
- North (Baoshan, Jiading, Quingpu + the parts of Songjiang and Minhang north of the river)
- South (Jinshan, Fengxian, Nanhui + the parts of Songjiang and Minhang south of the river)
- Well, that could work too, I guess, and would certainly reduce the number of districts. How should we define The Bund (only that street?)? and the Old City? --ClausHansen 15:04, 16 April 2009 (EDT)
- Not sure about The Bund, but the old city is easily defined as the egg shaped (or very obvious circular) area inside Renmin Lu and Zhonghua lu
- Ok, I will give it a try in accordance with the above suggestion implying the following districts: Pudong, The Bund, French Consession, Old City, Jingan District, Huangpu District (excluding Old City), Putuo District, Zhabei District, Hongkou District, Yangpu District, Changning District, North, South and Chongming County. This will be done as follows: Keep the Bund as is (but later check, if everything in there is placed correctly); keep French Concession as is (but later check, if everything in there is Xuhui&Luwai); move the contents of Xujiahui to French Concession; move the contents of Nanjinglu to Jingan District; keep Yangpu as is; establish the remaining district articles; move listings from the main article to the respective district articles --ClausHansen 12:06, 21 April 2009 (EDT)
- Defining the districts may be an ongoing process. The article is slowly improving and we're in dire need of a map. Is the current district name "Former French Concession" a double negative? I don't believe the French have "won" that area over. :) I've worked on attempting to clean up the articles and would encourage anyone out there with map making interests to plunge forward. I hope to return to the city soon and add some photos to bring this article alive!Zepppep 16:52, 9 December 2009 (EST)
- I've got a map http://wikitravel.org/upload/shared/b/bc/Shanghai_Admin_Districts.png but this shows the districts as per officially defined. Frankly, I still can't figure out how it can be of any help to a visitor by labelling everything in names long forgotten. If you tell a Shanghai cabby to get you to the "French Concession", you'll likely draw a look of bewilderment and half a dozen questions. :) Lai.jack 11:07, 11 December 2009 (EST)
- We certainly need to look at redistricting Shanghai (in agreement with the statement above). I took a look at a starred-article, Chicago, and noticed it has 10 major district definitions and 35 sub-districts within those 10 larger ones. I would suggest something similar for Shanghai. To have the "French Concession" as a major district on the page seems a bit outdated, not just in terms of naming convention but more importantly, the increased amount of things of interest to travelers (I know the term means something to foreigners, in particular, and it should definitely be mentioned in Understand and District sections, but to go as far as to still use it as district??). Earlier, someone posted they thought Xuhui and Luwan districts aren't quite similar; I would have to politely disagree. Luwan has lots of neighborhoods which are quite important to give the reader a better understanding about; Xuhui is a little more spread out and has some major landmarks and major shopping areas. It would be OK to mention the French Concession area used to be made of parts in both districts, but using it as THE district identifier is a) a bit confusing and b) asks for too much info. to be crammed into a very large "district" with lots of interest to travelers. In summary, Chicago has 35 sub-districts and Shanghai only 14 (and of those 14, some are confusing to get a mental picture of, I think, exacerbated by the face we lack a map). Any recommendations Lai Jack?Zepppep 16:20, 14 December 2009 (EST)
- I see 33 districts listed on the main Chicago page. I haven't checked to see if there are articles for each, but the point I was trying to make was that someone at one point in time thought 19 districts for Shanghai was too great; I'm merely trying to say that although Shanghai dominates Chicago's population by 3-6x, it has far fewer district definitions than Chitown. 19 may in fact not be too many but certainly the current # is too few. I'm not wanting to merely add districts to say that "Shanghai is bigger, it should have more districts" but to agree with others on the page the current set-up is too simplistic and using current district names would draw confusion from both locals and cabbies. I've been to the metropolis 4x in the last year alone and when I try to ask drivers off-the-cuff about "French Concession," I don't get any sort of response. The article is slowly improving and defining districts will be a big help. Cheers.Zepppep 10:20, 15 December 2009 (EST)
- It is great to see the Shanghai articles moving forward again! In relation to districts, there are two questions: 1) Should we split up the two suburb districts into the respective administrative districts? I think not, these articles have almost no content and the individual administrative districts are not likely ever to make it to guide or even usable status. 2) Should we split French Concession up into the two administrative districts? Well, the article as it is now works well and is not too long, so unless a lot of further listings are expected, I see no reason to split it up. In my opinion, the question about what taxi drivers know or do not know is not so important here, the important thing is to put an adress in each listing sufficiently clear to show to a taxi driver. However, if French Concession does not mean anything to travellers and the two administrative districts are very different, that could be an argument for splitting the article. I would like to see more opinions on this, before we split this usable article up into two outline articles. In relation to the comparison with Chicago: Districting Chicago and Shanghai are done very similar as it is now with individual articles for the central districts with a lot to see and do and with districts further away from the centre being merged in a few suburb articles. ClausHansen 11:14, 15 December 2009 (EST)
- If you guys insist, I don't mind it much if Luwan and Xuhai was broken up, but other than that I really don't see the point of breaking up Shanghai any further. Distrification should be based on content, not how many districts other cities have. Empty articles by-and-large discourage editing, while well established articles encourage users to add the one or two missing listings they think are missing. Which is why Delhi with 12 million residents currently don't have any districts, while Copenhagen with only a million have 9. As for Chicago - Chicago's districts currently contains 851 kb of text, while Shanghai's districts only have 97 kb, the total Shanghai text about the same as the Stockholm article's 150 kb, which doesn't have a single district.
- I'm glad someone brought up the Chicago article. Its clear partition of the city by making use of main and sub districts makes it such an enjoyable read. I believe the Shanghai article can be crafted from a similar approach. No zone should be deemed too large or too small (within reason of course) to write about. Right now, almost everything in the article revolves around a few Puxi districts and Pudong, with little else related to anything else, but that doesn't mean information on the less visited areas wouldn't become available in the future. Having limited information on certain districts shouldn't stop us from zoning out a baseline that includes them. Quick question: Would having empty articles be violating Wikitravel's policy? If so, I stand corrected. If not, then better to create the empty sub-articles now and wait for content to be composed, than to have to break up the sections again when they grow too large in the future.
- A few other observations:
- 1. The Bund and Old City are actually points of interest within the Huangpu district, which itself is already a comparatively small district. They should be created as sub-districts within the Huangpu district article.
- 2. I'm in favour of breaking up the French Concession. I've been researching a little bit on its origin and boundary definition, and from several accounts, it is not exactly a straightforward amalgamation of modern day Luwan and Xuhui like how we tell it here. Some of it actually extended deep into the Huangpu district. Lai.jack 10:14, 17 December 2009 (EST)
- There is no rules against creating empty districts, but it's certainly not encouraged either, many cities have had empty districts for years to an end. From my point of view, it would be better to follow Chicago's approach, which exactly did wait for districts to grow before splitting them up - I think it's the best way to achieve coverage - people are more likely to add content if there is something there already.
- The structure is easily build with redirects, so one approach would be to create all the missing districts as redirect pages, and making sure addresses in the listings include the district - i.e. "Shanghai Lu 47-B, Fengxian", so it's easily split up by anyone once the article becomes large enough. --Stefan (sertmann) talk 10:30, 17 December 2009 (EST)
- Alright guys, how about this. We can have Puxi as a zone by itself in the main article alongside Pudong, the North zone, the South zone and maybe Chongming island county. Four or five in total. The Puxi article could then be subdivided into the 9 admin districts (or some other way), each one considered a subzone and having its own article. Corresponding maps for the Shanghai and Puxi articles shouldn't be too difficult to visualise and create right? Lai.jack 10:42, 17 December 2009 (EST)
- Last suggestion. Scrap the Puxi level, but still group the individual districts within it in a Puxi zone, just like how it's done for Chicago. We end up with the following 2-level structure.
- Puxi districts (Yangpu, Hongkou, Zhabei, Putuo, Changning, Jingan, Huangpu, Luwan, Xuhui)
- East districts (Pudong)
- North districts (Baoshan, Jiading, Qingpu)
- South districts (Songjiang, Minhang, Fengxian, Jinshan)
- Others (Chongming County)
- Lai.jack 11:33, 17 December 2009 (EST)
- Last suggestion. Scrap the Puxi level, but still group the individual districts within it in a Puxi zone, just like how it's done for Chicago. We end up with the following 2-level structure.
- Agree, except that I think we should not split each of the north district and the south district until we have more content in these. ClausHansen 12:00, 17 December 2009 (EST)
- I like Lai.Jack's suggestion above, but rather than "North districts (Pudong" I say we just have it say "Pudong district(s)." Pudong is so often referenced that it more or less stands on its own and doesn't need to have "East districts" before it. It's much like Puxi--it's one of the big ones. Especially when considering the Pudong airport, I think it makes a lot of sense to have it more or less treating like Puxi (there are smaller areas known within Pudong, such as Lujiazui). Other than that, I'm a big fan of having a good article listed out beforehand and letting the info. be put onto the proper article pages, rather than waiting until the article grows before setting up the framework. I would venture to say there are examples that support and detract support for this idea. I think other well-written articles can be used as a guide, but following the letter of the law for that article isn't mandatory, right?Zepppep 09:22, 18 December 2009 (EST)
- Updated http://wikitravel.org/shared/Image:Shanghai_Zones.png Now we need a kind volunteer to tackle the content. Lai.jack 00:18, 20 December 2009 (EST)
- I spent some time this past weekend thinking about items on the discussion page: 1) awesome job on the map, Lai.Jack! 2) I'm still relatively new to WT so will heed to others with more experience and their opinions in general--particularly admins-- however I'd like to state two things. A) I realize getting content on the article to help travelers is why we're all here, and there are ways of encouraging content to be posted. Still, however, I can't go along with the argument "let's get content now, worry about organizing it later." In the case of London, the current CotM, one of the items on the to do list is districtfying and putting content on the relevant district pages--perhaps an avoidable expenditure of time for the few individuals who had put things on the right page. This is quite a bit of work, and it only takes one or two people to post a bunch of content which then takes someone else to come along and put it in the right place (I am aware of WT's policy about not creating district pages as the need arises). I think it's better to build the foundation, then worry about the decorations. B) It's important to mention some historical references whenever possible to give the article some life and context, but names and places change. Few cities in the last two decades have seen as much change (in many ways) than the metropolises of China. Some of the historical references to areas, while meaningful to "outsiders" perhaps or locals alike, change and while it's maybe helpful and/or interesting to list some of these changes, what's true for today may be something entirely different (this is largely based upon the districtification of Shanghai and yeah/nay on the French Concession name). 3) It's been fun discussing how the article page should go. The city has withstood some tremendous changes--on shear volume alone--and each time I look at the page, I think it's showing more and more improvements (for such an important place, the article was looking rather dull and disorganized until recently).Zepppep 18:33, 20 December 2009 (EST)
I tend to think that both good content and good structure (which makes it easier to figure out where to add that content), encourage good contributions. Perhaps we could think here about a possible "final" districts scheme and what it would look like, but for the time being, keep larger districts in use that could in the future be broken into parts. That's precisely what we did with Chicago, which is generally a good article to look at for guidance.
You might also be interested to look at Wikitravel_talk:Geographical_hierarchy#Optimal_districts_schemes, which was inspired by this discussion. --Peter Talk 19:00, 20 December 2009 (EST)
- I'd like to use the map here: Wikipedia as the base. It seems to me that gives a much better overview of outlying districts than our current scheme. It might need airports added, maybe lines 1 & 2, and Pudong split up a bit. Nanhui & downtown Pudong are quite different, for example.
- The "Southern suburbs" "Western suburbs" stuff we now have strikes me as just adding an irrelevant (not generally used in Shanghai; people say Minhang or whatever) useless (to travellers) and broken (it forces us to split Songjiang & Minhang to fit our procrustean categories) layer. The sooner we can eliminate those, the better.
- I think our "Inner Districts of Puxi" section is fine, as is the district split under it, though I'd call it "Central Puxi", or even "Central Shanghai". "Pudong and outer districts", though, is an error; those need to be two separate categories. Pashley 20:45, 28 July 2010 (EDT)
- We do not have enough content to justify individual articles for each of the suburban districts. Therefore, I suggest that at least for now we leave the structure as it is. This is in accordance with the structure in many other large cities like Chicago and London, --ClausHansen 03:59, 30 July 2010 (EDT)
Would anyone be able to resize the pic posted a while ago of the Metro mapZepppep 15:28, 21 December 2009 (EST)? It's huge! (I plead ignorance on this...)
- It's huge indeed. And outdated too. Line 7 is missing. Jack Lai 05:06, 22 December 2009 (EST)
- Line 7 was added nearly one year ago, but it no longer reflects the current line. I left details on the image discussion page. Zepppep 04:26, 31 December 2010 (EST)