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I cleaned up the grammar & spelling in the "Buy" section [[User:Iflipti|Iflipti]] 10:10, 22 Mar 2005 (EST)
 
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: And thanks for your contributions, but please take a look at [[South Korea]] and try to make sure they don't overlap too much.  For example, dishes like bulgogi can be eaten anywhere in Korea, not just Seoul, and should (and are!) thus be described in the [[South Korea]] article. [[User:Jpatokal|Jpatokal]] 07:43, 15 March 2006 (EST)
 
: And thanks for your contributions, but please take a look at [[South Korea]] and try to make sure they don't overlap too much.  For example, dishes like bulgogi can be eaten anywhere in Korea, not just Seoul, and should (and are!) thus be described in the [[South Korea]] article. [[User:Jpatokal|Jpatokal]] 07:43, 15 March 2006 (EST)
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:I was born and grew up in Seoul, and even I have a hard time dividing Seoul into many "districts". The city technically consists of a number of smaller division, but they are for administrative reasons, and doesn't necessarily reflect the cultural boundries from the one division to another. Even worse, those divisions are almost useless for travelers. Having said that, I saw some attempts to divide the neighborhoods according to mood, fashion trends, the way of living, etc. But I don't think one can come to conclusion as to which best reflects Seoul. [[User:221.150.54.249|221.150.54.249]] 07:49, 27 June 2008 (EDT)
 
:I was born and grew up in Seoul, and even I have a hard time dividing Seoul into many "districts". The city technically consists of a number of smaller division, but they are for administrative reasons, and doesn't necessarily reflect the cultural boundries from the one division to another. Even worse, those divisions are almost useless for travelers. Having said that, I saw some attempts to divide the neighborhoods according to mood, fashion trends, the way of living, etc. But I don't think one can come to conclusion as to which best reflects Seoul. [[User:221.150.54.249|221.150.54.249]] 07:49, 27 June 2008 (EDT)
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== Bukhansan ==
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Why is there no mention of Bukhansan national park?  Does it have multiple names or is it not technically not part of Seoul?  It's the huge park in Northern Seoul with Mt. Insubong and Baekundae plus several others. (unsigned)
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== Military police ==
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MILITARY POLICE DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO ASK ANYONE IF THEY ARE MILITARY KNP HAVE TO DO THAT JOB AND MILITARY POLICE CANNOT TAKE CIVILIANS BACK TO THE BASE
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: That's an irrelevant technicality, since they patrol together.  I don't see why you deleted the whole section though, since civilians getting busted definitely happens: see eg. [http://community.iexplore.com/planning/journalEntryFreeForm.asp?JournalID=33270&EntryID=16378&n=The+Military+Police+Know+My+Name]. [[User:Jpatokal|Jpatokal]] 04:09, 7 November 2008 (EST)
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: I edited it to be correct, it is far more than an irrelevant technicality.  Only the KNP are authorized to even ask you for ID, though the MP's normally will as most people just show their ID and they walk away.  You would not be taken to the base, normally just to the local KNP station why they check your immigration status, though MP can just radio back and check your SSN.
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== Airport ==
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[[User:Paula]] seems to want to move the Incheon airport info into the [[Incheon]] city article.  I don't think this makes any sense, since Incheon the city is quite far from Incheon the airport.  There is a [[Yeongjong Island]] article, which covers the place where the airport is actually located, but if we take the airport info out from Seoul people will have a hard time finding it.  I thus suggest that...
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* Basic info on the airport (facilities etc) and details for getting from Incheon Airport to Seoul stays in [[Seoul]].
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* Info on getting from Incheon Airport to Incheon the city goes in [[Incheon]].
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* Hotels and attractions near the airport stay in [[Yeongjong Island]].
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Discuss. [[User:Jpatokal|Jpatokal]] 03:05, 15 December 2008 (EST)
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== Districting, take two ==
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I've taken the liberty of reverting Joggingman08's unilateral districting of the city; this doesn't mean I oppose it, but it does mean I think he was ''way'' too hasty in implementing it, since there was no discussion at all!  The proposed list is:
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* Jongno-gu
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* Gangnam-gu
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* Gwangjin-gu
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* Yeoui-do
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* Hongdae
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* Sinchon
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* Dongdaemun-gu
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* Yongsan-gu
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* Songpa-gu
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* Jung-gu
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My first comments:
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# Drop the "-gu", they serve absolutely no purpose and we don't use them for Japanese/Chinese city districts either.  Just "Gangnam", "Yongsan" etc should do fine.  Yeouido, though, should keep the -do and we don't need the hyphen for it either.
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# Hongdae and Sinchon could easily make a single district.
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# ''All'' Seoul gu have to be slotted into Wikitravel districts, so we should use more generic names for suburban grab-bag districts.
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# We really need a map of Seoul that illustrates how the entire city is split, can you sketch them out on [[:Image:Map_Seoul_districts_de.png]]? [[User:Jpatokal|Jpatokal]] 09:37, 10 August 2009 (EDT)
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: I have once again removed the links.  This needs to be done '''properly''' or not at all. [[User:Jpatokal|Jpatokal]] 20:54, 29 January 2010 (EST)
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::The following districts have been created, and they are the only pages left that have been [[Special:Lonelypages|orphaned]]:
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* Seoul/Gangnam-gu
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* Seoul/Gwangjin-gu
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* Seoul/Jung-gu
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* Seoul/Songpa-gu
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* Seoul/Yeoui-do
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What to do with them? Merge the information into the main Seoul article, or make these the basis of a new district hierarchy? --[[User:Globe-trotter|globe-trotter]] 18:08, 3 June 2010 (EDT)
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== Subway-part ==
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How recent is the section about buying tickets? I've only seen electronic touchscreen-machines this far... Time to update section?
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: One of the main points of wikitravel is the abilty to constantly and timely update information, so by all means, be assertive and [[pf|Plunge Forward]]! --[[User:Sertmann|Stefan (sertmann)]] <small><sup>[[User_talk:Sertmann|Talk]]</sup></small> 10:34, 16 October 2009 (EDT)
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== Angry Korean Men ==
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I've lived here for 9 years, and never once have seen or heard of anything like this section describes.  I suggest completely removing it.  [[User:121.162.45.7|121.162.45.7]] 04:53, 7 November 2009 (EST)
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== Lead image ==
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It strikes me as odd to lead the article with an image of the Namdaemun Gate, which today is still a burnt-out wreck and won't be fully restored for over two years.  Is there another iconic Seoul sight that could be swapped in, at least until 2013?  — [[User:Dguillaime|D. Guillaime]] 20:06, 29 July 2010 (EDT)
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==[[Seoul/Itaewon]]==
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I found this page listed as simply Itaewon. I moved it to Seoul/Itaewon not because that's necessarily where it should go, but because it probably needs to be merged here. [[User:Texugo|Texugo]] 09:02, 5 September 2010 (EDT)
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== Things to Add ==
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I'm in Seoul right now, and there is a lot more that could be added. Here are some potential topics:
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*Konkuk University has an enormous nightlife district to the West of it. Could make a good subsection under nightlife.
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*Ditto for Sincheon (not Sinchon!). Also another large nightlife district that has been overlooked.
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*There's a lot of ongoing developments that this article misses such as Digital Media City, D-Cube, the new Lotte Tower (not completed), the planned Yongsan business district (ground broken, due to be complete 2015). Obviously the last two shouldn't be included quite yet, but something to consider.
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Also, I think a major effort should be had at districting, because frankly this page is becoming a mess and it's getting hard to organize attractions and such without splitting things up. How would these pages be done? This is a topic that's being beaten to death at this point, but it's because it's desperately needed but nobody apparently has the time to do it yet... if I find time I might give it a go. here's a rough idea for some districts:
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*Gangnam (major topics: Apgujongdong, Samseongdong/Coex, Gangnam Station district, Tehran-ro)
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*Songpa (major topics: Sports Complex, Lotte World, Sincheon nightlife district, Olympic Park)
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*Gwang-jin, Dongdaemun, and Seongbuk have a lot of universities, and accompanying college town areas (Konkuk University, Korea University, Kyunghee University, Hankuk University, Children's Grand Park, Techno Mart)
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*I think Jung-gu and Jongno-gu are best combined into one district for the purposes of this article, since they are very close. (City Hall, Myeongdong, Namdaemun market, Gyungbokgung, Namsan)
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*Ditto for Seodaemun and Mapo (Hongdae, Sinchon, Digital Media City)
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*And for Yeongdeongpo and Dongjak (National Assembly, 63 Building, Noryangjin Fish Market, D-Cube)
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*Yongsan and Seongdong (Itaewon, Yongsan electronics market)
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*Seocho (Bus Terminal... don't know this area very well, actually, could combine with either Gangnam or the Yeongdeongpo/Dongjak combo)
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I think that's a more manageable list, with areas that all hold something of some interest for tourists. The other districts are rather far flung and don't have much to offer (at least to my knowledge), so I think we can safely ignore them for now. You really need to kind of combine districts to make more sense for the tourist. {{Unsigned|175.193.171.223}}
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: These look like some good ideas to consider for the article, please have a look on your [[User talk:175.193.171.223|Talk]] page as I have left some comments for there for you.  Just to help communications here please don't forget to sign off using <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> as that helps readily identify who has made the edit, also please do consider formally registering so that you have your own distinctive user name. Thanks and welcome to the project. -- [[User:Felix505|felix]] 22:23, 19 August 2012 (EDT)
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== Air Quality ==
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I rewrote this after someone of questionable integrity claimed that the air quality is "fine" in Seoul. Seoul in particular has several serious problems, including smog, mold and the occasional industrial toxin tainted dust storm. People there wear various types of allergy masks for good reason.

Latest revision as of 08:37, 2 April 2013

MAP PierrB (talk) 04:33, 2 April 2013 (EDT)

I cleaned up the grammar & spelling in the "Buy" section Iflipti 10:10, 22 Mar 2005 (EST)

Thank you! Jpatokal 10:31, 22 Mar 2005 (EST)

This page really needs to adhere to standard Korean-English transliteration... "Apkujong" should be "Apgujeong", etc. Anthonymobile

Wikitravel:Plunge forward! And add in the hangeul so it's easy to double-check correctness. Jpatokal 07:36, 15 March 2006 (EST)
And thanks for your contributions, but please take a look at South Korea and try to make sure they don't overlap too much. For example, dishes like bulgogi can be eaten anywhere in Korea, not just Seoul, and should (and are!) thus be described in the South Korea article. Jpatokal 07:43, 15 March 2006 (EST)


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Romanization issues[edit]

I think it might not be a bad idea to include both the current Romanization system and the former one (since many people still use it, including the Korea Times, Reuters, BBC (sometimes), many mapmakers, and Korean studies books, etc. As a style, doing this initially (when the name is first mentioned in an article) would be good, with the two divided by a slash: Gangnam/Kangnam, Busan/Pusan, Daejeon/Taejŏn, etc. What do you think?

I don't think this is necessary. Most names are close enough that they can be guessed reasonably easily. Jpatokal 22:55, 18 August 2007 (EDT)

Subway tickets[edit]

There are ticket vending machines that accept bills

Gae Soon Ok[edit]

Does this place still exist? I went looking for it the last time I was in Seoul, but couldn't find it, and now somebody deleted the listing. Jpatokal 04:49, 12 November 2007 (EST)

*'''Gae Soon Ok''', 91-2 Jeodong 1-Ga, Jung-gu (''near Euljiro 1-ga station, in small lane opposite Myeongdong cathedral''). 50 years of dog meat soup (''bosintang'') and still going strong.

Very enlightening[edit]

Hello, your website is very informative and useful, I would like to share with you links, send all the questions on my e-mail.

Wikitravel doesn't swap links. You can read more on the link policy here. Jamboo 16:15, 20 March 2008 (EDT)

Districts[edit]

I don't think the Seoul article is long enough to need districts just yet, but in any case, please hammer them out here first. This list is way too long: Jpatokal 11:44, 20 April 2008 (EDT)

Seoul is a large city, in fact probably about the size of Mexico City and larger than New York. Given its size, I think its only appropriate that we sort it into districts. If a city like Kuala Lumpur with only 7 million people is divided into districts, surely a city like Seoul with 21 million people should also have districts. Superdog 23:36, 20 April 2008 (EDT)

There's an unresolved debate over when to divide, and as I'm sure Jani already knows, I say any time someone is willing to seriously take on the big task, that's a good time to divide. And Seoul is one of the world's most enormous cities, and should ideally be districted. It is really important, though, to come up with really clear district borders before introducing the district hierarchy to the article itself. Otherwise people won't know where to find/put things.
I'd also argue, for a city so large as Seoul, that it is also important to find a way to group the districts into smaller chunks (see example). And it might be best to first subdivide the city by those larger district breakdowns, and then, only after its clear that we'll have enough content for each district, break down those larger districts into a more finer grained hierarchy as you have proposed above.
A good rule of thumb, by the way, is that each district should be able to support a full article (so there should be multiple see, do, eat, sleep, etc. listings available for each district). --Peter Talk 00:01, 21 April 2008 (EDT)
I don't doubt that we'll eventually need to district Seoul, but at the moment I don't see the need. Districting is based on the amount of content, not the population of the city, and at the moment we've got a grand total of six Eat listings for the whole city (of which two should probably be under Drink!). Jpatokal 04:19, 21 April 2008 (EDT)
Perhaps we should just get some people(Koreans in the wikitravel community, if there are any) who are familiar with the city to just add a district section. While there may not be enough listings to have separate articles for the districts, I think that a city of this size should have at least some mention of districts to make it easier for travellers to find their way around. Superdog 07:53, 21 April 2008 (EDT)
I was born and grew up in Seoul, and even I have a hard time dividing Seoul into many "districts". The city technically consists of a number of smaller division, but they are for administrative reasons, and doesn't necessarily reflect the cultural boundries from the one division to another. Even worse, those divisions are almost useless for travelers. Having said that, I saw some attempts to divide the neighborhoods according to mood, fashion trends, the way of living, etc. But I don't think one can come to conclusion as to which best reflects Seoul. 221.150.54.249 07:49, 27 June 2008 (EDT)


Bukhansan[edit]

Why is there no mention of Bukhansan national park? Does it have multiple names or is it not technically not part of Seoul? It's the huge park in Northern Seoul with Mt. Insubong and Baekundae plus several others. (unsigned)

Military police[edit]

MILITARY POLICE DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO ASK ANYONE IF THEY ARE MILITARY KNP HAVE TO DO THAT JOB AND MILITARY POLICE CANNOT TAKE CIVILIANS BACK TO THE BASE

That's an irrelevant technicality, since they patrol together. I don't see why you deleted the whole section though, since civilians getting busted definitely happens: see eg. [1]. Jpatokal 04:09, 7 November 2008 (EST)
I edited it to be correct, it is far more than an irrelevant technicality. Only the KNP are authorized to even ask you for ID, though the MP's normally will as most people just show their ID and they walk away. You would not be taken to the base, normally just to the local KNP station why they check your immigration status, though MP can just radio back and check your SSN.

Airport[edit]

User:Paula seems to want to move the Incheon airport info into the Incheon city article. I don't think this makes any sense, since Incheon the city is quite far from Incheon the airport. There is a Yeongjong Island article, which covers the place where the airport is actually located, but if we take the airport info out from Seoul people will have a hard time finding it. I thus suggest that...

  • Basic info on the airport (facilities etc) and details for getting from Incheon Airport to Seoul stays in Seoul.
  • Info on getting from Incheon Airport to Incheon the city goes in Incheon.
  • Hotels and attractions near the airport stay in Yeongjong Island.

Discuss. Jpatokal 03:05, 15 December 2008 (EST)

Districting, take two[edit]

I've taken the liberty of reverting Joggingman08's unilateral districting of the city; this doesn't mean I oppose it, but it does mean I think he was way too hasty in implementing it, since there was no discussion at all! The proposed list is:

  • Jongno-gu
  • Gangnam-gu
  • Gwangjin-gu
  • Yeoui-do
  • Hongdae
  • Sinchon
  • Dongdaemun-gu
  • Yongsan-gu
  • Songpa-gu
  • Jung-gu

My first comments:

  1. Drop the "-gu", they serve absolutely no purpose and we don't use them for Japanese/Chinese city districts either. Just "Gangnam", "Yongsan" etc should do fine. Yeouido, though, should keep the -do and we don't need the hyphen for it either.
  2. Hongdae and Sinchon could easily make a single district.
  3. All Seoul gu have to be slotted into Wikitravel districts, so we should use more generic names for suburban grab-bag districts.
  4. We really need a map of Seoul that illustrates how the entire city is split, can you sketch them out on Image:Map_Seoul_districts_de.png? Jpatokal 09:37, 10 August 2009 (EDT)
I have once again removed the links. This needs to be done properly or not at all. Jpatokal 20:54, 29 January 2010 (EST)
The following districts have been created, and they are the only pages left that have been orphaned:
  • Seoul/Gangnam-gu
  • Seoul/Gwangjin-gu
  • Seoul/Jung-gu
  • Seoul/Songpa-gu
  • Seoul/Yeoui-do

What to do with them? Merge the information into the main Seoul article, or make these the basis of a new district hierarchy? --globe-trotter 18:08, 3 June 2010 (EDT)

Subway-part[edit]

How recent is the section about buying tickets? I've only seen electronic touchscreen-machines this far... Time to update section?

One of the main points of wikitravel is the abilty to constantly and timely update information, so by all means, be assertive and Plunge Forward! --Stefan (sertmann) Talk 10:34, 16 October 2009 (EDT)

Angry Korean Men[edit]

I've lived here for 9 years, and never once have seen or heard of anything like this section describes. I suggest completely removing it. 121.162.45.7 04:53, 7 November 2009 (EST)

Lead image[edit]

It strikes me as odd to lead the article with an image of the Namdaemun Gate, which today is still a burnt-out wreck and won't be fully restored for over two years. Is there another iconic Seoul sight that could be swapped in, at least until 2013? — D. Guillaime 20:06, 29 July 2010 (EDT)

Seoul/Itaewon[edit]

I found this page listed as simply Itaewon. I moved it to Seoul/Itaewon not because that's necessarily where it should go, but because it probably needs to be merged here. Texugo 09:02, 5 September 2010 (EDT)

Things to Add[edit]

I'm in Seoul right now, and there is a lot more that could be added. Here are some potential topics:

  • Konkuk University has an enormous nightlife district to the West of it. Could make a good subsection under nightlife.
  • Ditto for Sincheon (not Sinchon!). Also another large nightlife district that has been overlooked.
  • There's a lot of ongoing developments that this article misses such as Digital Media City, D-Cube, the new Lotte Tower (not completed), the planned Yongsan business district (ground broken, due to be complete 2015). Obviously the last two shouldn't be included quite yet, but something to consider.

Also, I think a major effort should be had at districting, because frankly this page is becoming a mess and it's getting hard to organize attractions and such without splitting things up. How would these pages be done? This is a topic that's being beaten to death at this point, but it's because it's desperately needed but nobody apparently has the time to do it yet... if I find time I might give it a go. here's a rough idea for some districts:

  • Gangnam (major topics: Apgujongdong, Samseongdong/Coex, Gangnam Station district, Tehran-ro)
  • Songpa (major topics: Sports Complex, Lotte World, Sincheon nightlife district, Olympic Park)
  • Gwang-jin, Dongdaemun, and Seongbuk have a lot of universities, and accompanying college town areas (Konkuk University, Korea University, Kyunghee University, Hankuk University, Children's Grand Park, Techno Mart)
  • I think Jung-gu and Jongno-gu are best combined into one district for the purposes of this article, since they are very close. (City Hall, Myeongdong, Namdaemun market, Gyungbokgung, Namsan)
  • Ditto for Seodaemun and Mapo (Hongdae, Sinchon, Digital Media City)
  • And for Yeongdeongpo and Dongjak (National Assembly, 63 Building, Noryangjin Fish Market, D-Cube)
  • Yongsan and Seongdong (Itaewon, Yongsan electronics market)
  • Seocho (Bus Terminal... don't know this area very well, actually, could combine with either Gangnam or the Yeongdeongpo/Dongjak combo)

I think that's a more manageable list, with areas that all hold something of some interest for tourists. The other districts are rather far flung and don't have much to offer (at least to my knowledge), so I think we can safely ignore them for now. You really need to kind of combine districts to make more sense for the tourist. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 175.193.171.223 (talkcontribs)

These look like some good ideas to consider for the article, please have a look on your Talk page as I have left some comments for there for you. Just to help communications here please don't forget to sign off using ~~~~ as that helps readily identify who has made the edit, also please do consider formally registering so that you have your own distinctive user name. Thanks and welcome to the project. -- felix 22:23, 19 August 2012 (EDT)

Air Quality[edit]

I rewrote this after someone of questionable integrity claimed that the air quality is "fine" in Seoul. Seoul in particular has several serious problems, including smog, mold and the occasional industrial toxin tainted dust storm. People there wear various types of allergy masks for good reason.

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