Since _culturally_ finland and iceland are part of Scandinavia, I redirected the page to Northern Europe. Hey, people: this is a _travel pages_ not a forum to have 4 different definition for Scandinavian cultural region. People want to get information to their travel, and as everyone knows, the most of the people in english speaking world thinks Iceland and Finland are part of Scandinavia - why do you want to make their travelling more complicated????
i searched under google the following: 'difference between danish and norwegian' and you wouldn't believe the pile of useless junk it came up with, but before i gave up your website came up with the simple, concise answer i needed. thanks again. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 22.214.171.124 (talk • contribs) 08:08, 14 August 2004 (EDT)
- Danish has influenced Norwegian a lot for about 500 years between 1300-1800, when Norway was ruled under the Danish government. Danish has a few typical sound shifts, which Norwegian lacks (except for Danish borrowings) such as *p-*b, *t-*d, *k-*g etc, usually voicing of final consonants. The pronunciation is also quite different, whereas Danish pronunciation could be compared to English, and Norwegian to German, if you understand. Also, Norwegian has a lot of dialectal differences, which Danish generally lacks. But when written, Danish and Norwegian (particularly Bokmål) are very similar, that's true. 126.96.36.199 13:13, 26 Nov 2005 (EST)
redirect to Northern Europe
I vote to make this page #REDIRECT Northern Europe
--JanSlupski 18:00, 5 Feb 2005 (EST)
- No. I disagree. Scandinavia, Nordic countries, Nordic Europe, and Northern Europe are different regions. Although they overlap, they are not entirely the same. Only redirect IDENTICAL articles. Scandinavia is quite clearly defined and if you are redirecting this to Northern Europe you then cannot redirect Nordic countries or Nordic Europe to the same place. Certainly Nordic Europe could redirect to Nordic countries, but not the other way as Greenland is not in Europe. Having multiple overlaping regions helps the traveler define what places are of interest. -- Huttite 18:18, 5 Feb 2005 (EST)
- You have larger experience that I, but I found having four different articles on five countries very confusing. In my opinion it's better to have one good article which cover all variations, subjects (and terminology) in one place, than spread among places.
- Moreover, if you look at histories of these four articles, you can see that all of them shared same text content (in a bit different forms). This is confusing, chaotic and redundant (should traveller print all four articles?). -- JanSlupski
- Nordic Europe = Northern Europe. Wojsyl 18:39, 5 Feb 2005 (EST)
Can somebody tell why Finland and Iceland shouldn't be included here? Yes, in geographical terms, they are not part of Scandinavia, but they for sure share same cultural heritage than other countries mentioned (especially cultural heritage between Sweden and Finland), and its common in English language that Scandinavia actually means 'Nordic countries'. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 188.8.131.52 (talk • contribs) 16:55, 15 July 2006 (EDT)
- I agree that having all these little region articles serves no purpose. Scandinavia should redirect to Northern Europe, and the term should be explained in the "Understand" section there. Jpatokal 20:42, 15 July 2006 (EDT)
- Wikitravel is not a dictionary or encyclopedia, and our Wikitravel:Geographical hierarchy says that regions should not overlap. Northern Europe is a more useful region for the traveller than "Scandinavia", so that's the one we use, and the differences between the two are explained there. Jpatokal 06:22, 28 July 2006 (EDT)
- This is quite the old conversation. For information on what has happened since, please see Talk:Europe/Hierarchy#2_proposals. --Peter Talk 12:25, 14 November 2008 (EST)
Moved from Wikitravel:votes for deletion by Evan
- Northern Europe. Made redundant by new Europe categories. All pages which linked to it now link somewhere else. Professorbiscuit 18:28, 15 Oct 2004 (EDT)
- Disagree - Page should REDIRECT to Europe or somewhere that is similarly relevant. It could be a disambiguation page if multiple pages are relevant. - Huttite 00:59, 16 Oct 2004 (EDT)
- Disagree - REDIRECT, not delete. Jpatokal 06:01, 28 Oct 2004 (EDT)
- Agree - DELETE. Nothing links to it so redirect is pointless. -Wikibob | Talk 16:19, 2004 Nov 2 (EST)
United Kingdom is described as Northern Europe on its page, but on this page it isn't present. Is the UK northern european or not?
- The map is the authoritative source -- it's not red there, so it's not. Jpatokal 16:14, 26 September 2006 (EDT)
- Agree with Jpatokal - the regional breakdown for Europe has resulted from a lot of discussion, so any changes will need to be talked about first. Updating the United Kingdom article to note that it's in north-western Europe should hopefully resolve this inconsistency. -- Ryan 16:19, 26 September 2006 (EDT)
Clean up this mess please
Scandinavia is Only Norway, Sweden and Denmark. Nordic countries are Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Finland, Iceland (And Fareoe Islands, Åland and Greenland). Check ,  for ref.--184.108.40.206 08:36, 22 March 2009 (EDT)
- We Know! the two main authors on this are from Denmark and Finland respectively, so while I'm not saying we can't possibly be wrong, we are certainly aware of the nuances, and not ignorant outsiders. But most English speakers people don't give a rats ass about Scandinavians definition of Scandinavia, and a happy to follow the primary international definition which includes the Nordic countries minus Greenland. coincidentally better reference points - since we are in the travel business might be Lonely Planet, Rough guide and Frommers which all to some degree messes up the purist term as well.
- And to quote your own source "Worldwide, casual and unofficial use of the term "Scandinavia" is a common reference to Denmark, Norway, and Sweden, but also includes Finland, Iceland, and the Faroe Islands." --Stefan (sertmann) Talk 15:58, 22 March 2009 (EDT)
- For further conversation, lets keep things consolidated at "Talk:Europe/Hierarchy#Scandinavia?." --Peter Talk 16:07, 22 March 2009 (EDT)
By the definition used in the article (including Finland apart from Norway, Sweden and Denmark), the population is actually:
- Norway: 4.7 million
- Sweden: appr 9 million
- Denmark: slightly more than 5 million
- Finland: slightly more than 5 million
- other states incl Greenland, Åland etc have small populations.
So the correct number is 24 million. Orcaborealis 12:10, 4 April 2009 (EDT)