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It would be nice to reformat this to match the district article template. -- Evan 09:45, 7 Nov 2003 (PST)

At some point, it might be good to expand the listing of eateries in some of the neighborhoods and separate those listings from general descriptions of the neighborhoods. I could list several more eateries in Flushing, for example, and probably will at some future point. -- Michael 10:09, 19 Jun 2006 (UTC)

I decided that Flushing merits its own page, so I started one:

http://wikitravel.org/en/New_York_%28city%29/Queens/Flushing

Please help it grow! -- Michael 10:23, 29 Jun 2006 (UTC)

I have moved this obviously promotional listing here:

  • Wingate Inn and Suites LaGuardia Airport New York, 137-07 Northern Boulevard Flushing, NY[1]. Our affordable hotel at LaGuardia Airport in New York is convenient to Manhattan and features a range of complimentary amenities,including breakfast, wireless and high-speed Internet access for staying connected on the road. Phone: (718) 445-3300.

If any of you feel this hotel merits listing, please edit the language as befits a non-promotional guide.

Getting in from JFK or LaGuardia[edit]

I would think this is a "Get In" item - or at least a "Get Out" item. Why is transportation to Queens by plane, and from the airports, not relevant to this article? Ikan Kekek 07:05, 27 February 2010 (EST)

Because it's already in the top-level NYC article, same way it's handled with the other four borough articles. There's nothing I can think of that's specific to Queens as a whole, except maybe a reminder that both airports are already in Queens, and neighborhood-specific advice properly stays in neighborhood articles.
I don't know why Queens is missing a Get Around section... probably worth writing one. That laundry list of all 15 subway lines under Get In isn't helpful (even the briefest glance at the MTA map will be far more informative), but a few sentences broadly covering the areas with and without service might help. -- D. Guillaime 18:04, 27 February 2010 (EST)

Relative sizes of Chinatowns[edit]

I do not want to get into an editing war, but my assertion is that Flushing is much bigger than Manhattan's Chinatown. I'm familiar with both Chinatowns. Does anyone want to argue the point? If so, argue it here. Ikan Kekek 03:20, 12 March 2010 (EST)

How do you know that the Flushing Chinatown is more bigger than the Manhattan Chinatown? On wikipeida it keeps on saying that the Flushing Chinatown is the second-largest Chinatown in New York City. Also since you say that the Flushing Chinatown is the biggest Chinatown in New York City, how come wikipedia does not have it's own entry article page about the Flushing Chinatown? I think some someone should go to wikipedia and create an entry article page about the Flushing Chinatown and also create a entry article page about the Brooklyn Chinatown in Sunset Park, because those Chinatowns are surpassing the original Manhattan Chinatown in size and population due to economic downturns in the Manhattan Chinatown. Look, I was one time trying to create entry article pages about the Flushing Chinatown and the Brooklyn Chinatown in Sunset Park, but for some reason i was blocked for no reason and they said that i was commiting a vandalism by saying that Flushing is the largest Chinatown and that it surpassed the Manhattan Chinatown. I think me and you should work together as a team and agree with your statement by going to wikipedia and go to all the article entry pages that say that Flushing is the second largest Chinatown in New York City and delete all those unsourced statements and claims and then create the actually entry pages for the Flushing Chinatown and the Brooklyn Chinatown in Sunset Park, Brooklyn. Also be aware that there are now Chinatowns in Elmhurst, Queens and in the Homecrest section of Avenue U in Brooklyn. The best thing to do right know is to seperate each Chinatown in New York City by createing there own wikipedia article entry pages to prevent any more claims and unsourced information into one Chinatown article. (96.232.9.195 19:42, 12 March 2010 (EST)).

Wikipedia is a different kind of Wiki reference than Wikitravel. Original research cannot be used in Wikipedia articles, whereas Wikitravel is fundamentally based on personal experience. So my feeling is that, whereas it may be the case that no authoritative written source suitable for citation in a Wikipedia article has yet made the observation that Flushing is a bigger Chinatown than the one in Manhattan, we can talk about what we have personally experienced, and have the right to be ahead of the curve. I'm assuming that the complaints about vandalism were on Wikipedia, not Wikitravel; is that right? If so, let's talk specifics.

The Chinese neighborhood in Flushing extends on Main St. from somewhere north of Northern Blvd. to somewhere south of Cherry Av. (there was until recently a big Cantonese banquet/dim sum restaurant on Booth Memorial Av., south of the Queens Botanic Gardens) - a distance of 13+ blocks; on Kissena Blvd. from the junction with Main St. to somewhere further south than Holly Av. - I'll be very conservative and say Laburnum Av., for a distance of 15 blocks (but I'm sure it's more); and then the neighborhood extends for some distance along Roosevelt and parallel Avenues, and Northern Blvd. How many square blocks is that? Is that bigger or smaller than Manhattan's Chinatown, which if we include areas awarded to the Lower East Side article extends east to west from Essex St. to Broadway at its widest extent (16 blocks along Canal St.) and from approximately Worth St. to Delancey (8 blocks). I think that Flushing is bigger in area (I know Manhattan's Chinatown better because I live a 15-minute walk from there). It also has more very big Chinese supermarkets (partly a function of the cost of space, but the stores still need clientele and are very crowded), and just feels more heavily Chinese and less non-Chinese in the center of the neighborhood.

It sounds like we agree that Flushing is actually bigger, but I'll concede the point if it's too difficult to arrive at a consensus here. Having had substantial experience in both neighborhoods, it's clear to me which one feels more Chinese and bigger in area. You can't walk a mile north in Manhattan's Chinatown - you'll be in the East Village by that point - but you can easily walk a mile south of the Flushing - Main St. stop on the 7 Train and still be in the Chinese part of Flushing. It's possible that population density is lower in Flushing, but it sure doesn't feel that way when you're shopping at any of the numerous food stores that line Main St., Kissena Blvd., and Roosevelt Av. Ikan Kekek 01:46, 13 March 2010 (EST)

Can you go to wikipedia and do me this favor by createing a article entry page for the Flushing Chinatown, so they way we can all agree on one of it's own information and not mix it up with the Manhattan Chinatown. (96.232.6.107 08:43, 13 March 2010 (EST)).

No. As I said, Wikipedia has different standards of what information is acceptable to use, and I will not violate their terms by posting "original research." I don't think we need to regard Wikipedia as our authoritative source on Wikitravel, but perhaps some other people would like to weigh in on that. Ikan Kekek 09:02, 13 March 2010 (EST)

Did the Flushing Chinatown ever surpassed the Manhattan Chinatown or not yet? (96.232.6.107 12:08, 13 March 2010 (EST)).

Having watched this battle from afar, wouldn't it be sufficient to just use language such as "Like Manhattan, Flushing has an extremely large Chinatown"? Editors seem to get caught up in arguments all the time about what is the biggest, largest, etc - see Talk:Yosemite National Park#Yosemite Falls for one such example - but it doesn't really matter to a traveler if Chinatown A is bigger than Chinatown B; just describe both and point out why (or why not) they are worth visiting. -- Ryan • (talk) • 13:37, 13 March 2010 (EST)
Or we can feed the trolls. Oops, my bad for not seeing what was going on here; I'd be fine with using Ikan Kekek's suggestions, although when there is any ambiguity at all it's generally best to avoid superlatives like "biggest" or "largest". -- Ryan • (talk) • 14:56, 13 March 2010 (EST)
Ryan: I think you're right. Your proposed sentence is a sensible solution. Thanks. Ikan Kekek 21:30, 13 March 2010 (EST)

Districts[edit]

Queens neighborhoods
Queens districts

What with Flushing, Elmhurst, and Jamaica all being made individual articles, I really think it's time to come up with a districts breakdown for Queens. While I don't know Queens well, I did spend some time coming up with a starting breakdown with someone who does know the borough well. Are there any good free-content maps of Queens? Rastapopulous 10:30, 7 April 2010 (EDT)

There aren't, but you wouldn't have to twist my arm to make another neighborhood map for an interesting area ;) What I can't guarantee, though, is how long it will take. The Brooklyn neighborhoods map took quite some time, and I had more of it when I made it. I'll try to get to work, basing the neighborhood borders on the info at Wikipedia [2] and various images I'm finding (especially this [3], but also possibly any of these [4], [5], [6], [7]). Please let me know if you find any other good sources of information. --Peter Talk 10:53, 7 April 2010 (EDT)
I've been using the map from city-data and I did draw up a very rough districts thing, but since the maps' not open source, I couldn't share it. Rastapopulous 11:07, 7 April 2010 (EDT)
Could you upload it to a different file hosting service (flickr, picasa, etc.)? I'm going to draw the neighborhoods onto an OSM [8] export, but in the meantime, it would be nice to see what you have drawn. --Peter Talk 11:27, 7 April 2010 (EDT)
The map is here: [9] . As for what the districts are:
  1. Yellow: Long Island City
  2. Pink: Jackson Heights (Absorb the existing Elmhurst article into here)
  3. Green: Forest Park
  4. Blue: Flushing-Northeast (Absorb the existing Flushing article into here)
  5. Brown: Jamaica
  6. Sea Blue: The Rockaways.
Rastapopulous 12:27, 7 April 2010 (EDT)

Note to self, this map [10] is also useful.

It looks like zip codes may be the best source of neighborhood boundaries? I'd like to get an answer here before continuing further (and possibly setting myself up for a ton of extra revising work). If so, I'll use a map like this [11]. --Peter 20:59, 11 April 2010 (EDT)

That map actually looks great! Rastapopulous 12:20, 12 April 2010 (EDT)

However, do be aware that some of these postal code districts should be split. Eg everything above Hillside Avenue would probably be best in say, Flushing-Northeast (or wherever), while everything below would be best in Jamaica (that's basically the safety boundary). And Flushing Meadows-Corona park, which is in two separate districts in that map, should ideally be in one (prob Flushing, but maybe Jackson Heights?)Rastapopulous 12:27, 12 April 2010 (EDT)
Whew, time consuming, but fascinating maps! Do these look good? I wound up basing the borders loosely upon those used on Yelp and Wikimapia more than any of the dozen links above. --Peter Talk 15:22, 20 April 2010 (EDT)
Indeed, they do look good! I only have two concerns: the "Long Island City" district should be named "Astoria" or perhaps hyphenated with both, since LIC is tiny in comparison; and assigning Howard Beach and Lindenwood to the Rockaways strikes me as wrong both geographically and culturally. I would merge those mainland neighborhoods into Jamaica instead: they're largely residential and un-touristy except for the transit connection to JFK, so keeping it in the district that covers JFK works nicely. — D. Guillaime 16:04, 20 April 2010 (EDT)
I was told by a Howard Beach resident that they belong more w/ the Rockaways than w/ Jamaica. As for LIC, that might make sense, to paraphrase Peter from Brooklyn, LIC has the sights and Astoria the eats. Rastapopulous 16:31, 20 April 2010 (EDT)
Any objections or should I get started? Rastapopulous 20:23, 19 May 2010 (EDT)
As per Peter's statuses in Talk, I have implemented the districts scheme in Queens. Changes are still possible though, but at least things now can get started. --globe-trotter 08:32, 24 July 2010 (EDT)

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