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: Yes, that way people know to write them up. [[User:Jpatokal|Jpatokal]] 21:03, 26 December 2008 (EST)
: Yes, that way people know to write them up. [[User:Jpatokal|Jpatokal]] 21:03, 26 December 2008 (EST)
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Québécois French is no more a "variant" form of French as American English is a variant of British English. This common error strikes us Québécois as an insult. Apart form a few lexical differences, what distingues our French from French-from-France is our accent, just like Americans speak English with an... american accent... Please correct this wrong impression of our language, French, which is our pride and which we cherish and protect in spite of our being surrounded by 300 million English speakers...
- There are lexical differences, pronunciation differences, and some vocabulary differences. I think for non-Francophones, some of the more important ones are called out on this list. I don't know what to call Quebecois French except a "variant". Suggestions? --Evan 08:33, 15 Jul 2004 (EDT)
- The word's "dialect". -- Nils 08:52, 15 Jul 2004 (EDT)
- Yes, in terms of linguistics, Quebecer is a dialect of French -- just as Central French is. As a matter of fact, three different dialects of French are widely spoken in Quebec... This doesn't strike me as an insult. --Valmi 00:23, 16 Jul 2004 (EDT)
- (They are, apart from the main one, the one from Saguenay--Lac-Saint-Jean and the one from Gaspésie--Îles-de-la-Madeleine.) --Valmi
Hmm, now the Sépaq copyrighed stuff has show up here... I'm going to remove it again and leave another note for the would-be contributor. He seems to mean well but doesn't understand the copyright issue... Majnoona 17:50, 2 Nov 2004 (EST)
I noted earlier that the SAQ doesn't have a lot of California wines; that was removed. I reinstated it, since it's a) true and b) something US travellers will notice. --Evan 17:02, 23 Aug 2005 (EDT)
I rolled back the removal of the bit about dubbing shows and movies because it's a)true and b)it's an example of how Quebec-French and French-French are considered different... Majnoona 12:15, 8 Dec 2005 (EST)
why are there so many families from quebec traveling at the same time in mid july??
- In 1970, the Quebec government issued a decree setting guidelines for collective labour agreements in the construction industry. One of the requirements was for the last two weeks of July to be given as holidays. This created a sort of domino effect, I suppose because of people taking holidays as groups, and as a result it's now estimated that 25% of workers in Quebec take holidays in that 2-week period. see http://www.ccq.org/M_RegimeRelationsTravail/M3_ConventionsCollectives/M3_2_CongeVacances.aspx?lang=en&profil=Travailleur --126.96.36.199 12:26, 8 August 2006 (EDT)
- This is great info for the guide! We we're just camping the last two weeks of July and it's unusally hard to find a spot! Maj 20:13, 8 August 2006 (EDT)
- The "domino effect" of these two weeks is really significant. Montreal traffic thins down noticably, US-Canada border wait times skyrocket and many shops will be closed related to the construction industry but also random ones because everybody leaves together. A lot of people take their holidays inside the province so it might be advisable to check vacancies if you intend to visit during that time, as the previous comment mentions. But it's probably a good time to visit Montreal itself, it's more quiet and the tourism industry is likely the only one actually picking up during those two weeks. -Lp (a Montrealer)
you should mention air transat as the least expensiva of all airline companies. they fly for around 450 euros return from paris to quebec city non stop, no other company beats this, all other that i saw costed aroun 200 euros more. —The preceding comment was added by 188.8.131.52 (talk • contribs)
- You just edited the article to include that information. LtPowers 21:31, 15 May 2010 (EDT)
I have been thinking about another visit to Canada, last one was about 20 years ago. Sooo. I turn here. This text:Note also that Quebec is not France. Jokes about French stereotypes (Jerry Lewis, poor hygiene, eating frogs' legs, and especially "surrendering": Americans making such a comment are likely to be gently reminded that their country was still neutral when Quebecers, like other Canadians, had already been fighting Germany for two years) will bring puzzled stares, or at best show that you have no idea which continent you're on. And comparing Quebecois culture and language unfavorably to France's is probably not a path to go down, either. Although Quebec and France have many ties, the Quebecois typically regard themselves as a distinct culture quite separate from the country that "abandoned" them three centuries ago. The cultures are so divergent that, in extreme cases, Québécois and Français speaking French to one another will not be mutually intelligible due to linguistic differences. Visitors from France are advised to avoid using overly-familiar terms to refer to a kinship between themselves and a Quebecois where none may exist; the term "p'ti cousin" (little cousin) can be particularly inflammatory. Somewhat reminds me of differences between the North and South in USA after the civil war and I do not know if it should be included in a "travel article". Seems more like a political commentary and is a bit scary to a potential visitor. Is this a sort of KKK (white supremecy/skinhead) thing or what. Sounds like someone needs to grow up. 2old 13:39, 3 August 2007 (EDT)
- I didn't find it particularly offensive at first read, but maybe it's because I'm from there :P. It mostly just outlines the fact that, yes, we're not France, we're not USA and we're also different from the rest of Canada. Anyone who's been around a bit will tend to agree with these three facts. Different doesn't mean better, Quebec just has it's own distinct personality which is a blend of American, French and Latin culture.
- But, you're probably right. Cultural identity IS a somewhat sensitive issue here and altough lot of people might take offense if you make fun of it (willingly or not) it's probably true of any country, and therefore that extra paragraph brings no extra value over what was already exposed in the rest of the Respect section. As a Quebecer and Montrealer the main point I'd like to convey to tourists is that we're welcoming, tolerant and open-minded. That blurb does exactly the opposite.. I also really can't identify with what it pretends I should find offensive (Eating frog legs?? Come on, who cares!?). Burn it down! -Lp 184.108.40.206 11:06, 3 September 2007 (EDT)
I've downgraded this article to usable from guide for two reasons, per the Wikitravel:Region guide status guidelines:
- Some improper formatting of external links
- Not all linked destinations (regions/cities/other) are at usable status or better
- Cities list should be reduced to 9
After these three issues are resolved, this excellent article can move up to guide status. --Peter Talk 18:23, 9 March 2008 (EDT)
Four ways to discover Quebec
This section bugs me-- it seems to be propaganda from Bonjour Quebec (though not an outright copyvio) that does not fit our MoS for tone. The relevant information should be folded into the proper sections. I am pasting it here for reference. Maj 16:13, 6 May 2008 (EDT)
- Moved "Panoramic Driving Tours" to here. Again, good info, but not our style.Maj 19:11, 6 May 2008 (EDT)
- For easier reference, Talk:Quebec/Driving is the link to the driving tours. I've put the Chemin du Roy route, heavily edited, into Quebec Region#Itineraries. I'm about to drive it tomorrow. JimDeLaHunt 00:22, 28 September 2008 (EDT)
This article lists 21 tourist regions in the province. I have two suggestions for improving this. First, add more details to this article about what are the boundaries for each region. For instance, I'm planning a drive from Québec (city) to Montréal, and I don't know which of these regions lies in between those two cities. Second, it's Wikitravel practice to break each region into 7 +/- 2 subregions. 21 is a few too many. Perhaps we could divide this province into 7 travel regions, and break a few of those regions into subregions? Any comments? I'll work on this as I have time. JimDeLaHunt 12:15, 26 September 2008 (EDT)
- These regions may be derived from the Québec (provincial) tourist office's breakdown at http://www.bonjourquebec.com/ca-en/regions0.html . They have a map there, and I'll start adding a description to each entry (taking care not to plagiarise the tourist office, of course). JimDeLaHunt 20:55, 26 September 2008 (EDT)
I'm going to take a shot at organizing all of these regions into something more manageable. For the most part, I've used the existing regions and grouped them together into something that (I hope!) makes sense...
Proposed region structure for Quebec
|| Outaouais-Laurentides (Outaouais, Lanaudière, Laurentides)|
The Quebec side of the Ottawa River valley and the western part of the Laurentian mountains. Generally an area of mountains and forests with plenty of outdoors activities; it is topped by Mont-Tremblant, the largest ski area in Quebec. Gatineau, as part of the National Capital Region, has many fine museums.
|| Montreal Region |
The culturally rich and lively city of Montreal plus its suburbs. It would include Montreal, Laval and suburban cities on the south shore that are currently part of Montérégie.
What are people's thoughts? (note - the map needs a bit of work, the Montreal Region was a last minute change so it doesn't have a separate colour yet. It would be a thin strip between the blue and green regions.) -Shaund 14:17, 1 January 2010 (EST)
- I don't know enough about the region to comment on the specifics, but as usual with your work, I'll voice that this looks just about perfect per our abstract policies. --Peter Talk 14:32, 1 January 2010 (EST)
I think you did a really great job to break down the Quebec regions to make them more understandable. I did a division of my own on the Quebec page, trying to make it reflective of how a tourist might experience it. I went with one big region called "Montreal and southwestern Quebec". To me, it would be unusual to visit the Laurentians, Lanaudiere or Monteregie without also visiting Montreal. (A case can be made that the Outaouais and the Eastern Townships are far enough away from Montreal to deserve their own regions, but then we end up with too many top-level regions.) I also divided the north shore from the Gaspé because it's inconvenient to travel from one side of the St.Lawrence to the other at that end of the river. I was tempted to put Saguenay in the Quebec City region, like you did, but they are really far from each other. Reasonable people can disagree, I would be interested to know what you think.Galteglise 11:01, 22 January 2010 (EST)
- Thanks, I think the changes you made were good. One of my first ideas for Quebec regions was a "Montreal and Southwestern Quebec" region so we were pretty close. I was also undecided about where to put the Saguenay - a Northeastern Quebec region works for me. I'm hoping to get time over the next couple of weeks to draw a map based on your regions and upload it to the page.
- I was wondering what you thought about the breakdown of subregions for Montreal and Southwestern Quebec. I was thinking that Montreal, Laval and cities on the south shore like Longueuil and Brossard could be combined into a Greater Montreal (basically anything the Metro reached). To me, it seems like a sensible grouping since they're all within easy reach of Montreal, but I'd like to know your thoughts since you're much closer to the area. Shaund 01:15, 23 January 2010 (EST)
- Good idea. I might suggest adding a bit more to Greater Montreal, to cover the area connected to Montreal by train: Montreal, Laval, those suburbs just north of Laval (Mirabel, Blainville) and about half of the Montérégie: Mont-Saint-Hilaire, Mont-Saint-Bruno, Longueuil, Brossard, Kahnawake, Chateauguay, Vaudreuil, Hudson, Rigaud. The other subregions of Montreal-Southwestern Quebec could be Laurentians-Lanaudière (they are similar enough to be treated together on one page) and the Eastern Townships (which could be treated together with the part of the Montérégie not in Greater Montreal).
- Having thought about it, it might make sense to bump up Outaouais and Saguenay as separate top-level regions of Quebec. Outaouais is quite far from Montreal (and really far from the Eastern Townships, if they are all being treated as the same region); it's really a place you would visit during a trip to Ottawa, rather than a trip to Montreal. As for Saguenay, it's a very distinctive region of Quebec (own culture, own accent, own geography) much different (and really far) from the small riverside towns that make up Manicouagan and Duplessis. That would make seven regions for Quebec (Outaouais, Montreal-Southwestern, Quebec City-Central, Saguenay, Eastern, Northeastern, Northern), which seems about right. Galteglise 18:03, 5 February 2010 (EST)
- I finally got around to mapping this. Also followed Galteglise's suggestion above and put the Saguenay (as Saguenay-Lac-St-Jean) and Outaouais regions as top level regions. Will update the regions structure shortly.
- Didn't do anything about a possible Greater Montreal region since I don't have much a feel for it. For now, SW Quebec consists of four regions with Laval and Montreal as cities outside of the sub-region structure. Shaund 14:36, 19 October 2010 (EDT)
Apparently someone had an unpleasant experience there recently, & decided to vent a few hostilities Scott S 11:03, 14 October 2008 (EDT)
- And it was reverted 42 minutes after it was caused — maybe even before you posted this comment! You can help too: see Wikitravel:How to handle unwanted edits. JimDeLaHunt 01:41, 16 October 2008 (EDT)
Should we really be having cities w/o article on here? edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 18:20, 26 December 2008 (EST).
- Yes, that way people know to write them up. Jpatokal 21:03, 26 December 2008 (EST)
Specific Detail ..
What about population , popularity, etc ??
220.127.116.11 20:56, 3 May 2011 (EDT)