"Thanks to generous government susidies, rail travel in Portugal is often cheaper and faster than travel by bus."
I am portuguese and do believe that claim to only be true when not travelling by rail out of suburban areas. I.e., if you want to go from Lisbon to Coimbra, it'd be cheaper by bus than by train.
cael 15:24, 28 March 2007 (EDT)
Along the line between Braga and Faro, passing through Porto, Aveiro, Coimbra, Lisbon and Setubal, the trains are excellent but the fares are slightly more expensive than the bus fares.
I agree this is definitely not true--at least for the major routes from Lisboa to Faro, Coimbra, Porto, etc. the bus is always cheaper. I think three people is enough to change this.
Update: I wrote the first line (along the line between Braga...). Usually when trains are good, the train is a bit more expensive than the bus. This is what it was happening. However, given the recent records in oil prices, the train between Lisbon-Algarve is again a bit cheaper than the bus (even the excellent Alfa-Pendular train).
The "Vinho Verde" is not made from grapes that aren't mature. That is a myth. I live in the region (Guimarães) and have participated in some harvests and I can assure that the grapes are fully developed and matured as with any other wine. The name "Vinho Verde" comes from the sparkling, fresh nature of the wine.
Azores and Madeira?
What about the Azores and Madeira archipelagos? Not only are they beautyfull destinations but they are also regions of Portugal. Why aren't they mentioned in the article or displayed in the map?
Also, both Madeira and the Azores are quite humid and green. Only the island of Porto Santo is dry.
Portugal's regions seems to be in a bit of a mess. There are regions articles for Central Portugal, Northern Portugal and others that are not linked from Portugal and those contain some of the same links that appear under Portugal#Regions.
I'm going to attempt a bit of a cleanup on those and propose the following:
The portuguese article seems to have a good division of Portugal. Basically, this is how they divide the country:
And besides that, they already have a map. --18.104.22.168 09:17, 11 September 2010 (EDT)
Southeast Portugal international train
"Southeast Portugal is connected by international train (linha do Leste and linha de Caceres) [Elvas/Caia,Portugal & Bagajoz,Spain] or [Marvao-Beira, Portugal & Valencia de Alcantara, Spain.]"
Simply not true. The track is there but passenger trains stop at Évora or Beja. That's what you get by reading "references" from armchair tourists instead of going there.
Style & Copyleft
An anonymous user has been adding a lot of good info to this article, but that info appears to be copied from another web site and does not follow the Wikitravel:Country article template. To the user: if you are the original author of information please create an account and then add a statement to this talk page saying who you are and that you wrote the info, otherwise we have to assume that it is a copyright violation. Second, please break up that info and include it under the standard section headings of this article - see the previously mentioned country article template for details. In the interim the contribution will need to be reverted as we can't risk having content on Wikitravel that is not licensed under the CC-SA license. -- Ryan • (talk) • 08:35, 6 September 2008 (EDT)
Smoking in public places is not allowed.
This is incorrect. It is forbidden, and subject to a fine, to smoke in public enclosed spaces. By closed, according to the law, it is meant anything with a cover and two or more walls (a rudimentary shelter). It doesn't apply, say, to a train station platform with a cover and a single wall.
In restauration and hotelry it is allowed to have smokers' bedrooms and smokers' designated areas. These depend on details such as minimum and maximum surface, ventilation and clear separation, which are sometimes difficult to implement by the owners. Small surfaces can opt for smokers or non smokers on all the surface provided ventilation is adequate.
The presence of "No Smokers" and "Smokers" sign is mandatory and its absence is subject to a fine. Almost all fines regarding the application of the law have resulted from the absence of "No Smokers" signs.
The law is being very well adhered to.
Pastéis de Belém
I somewhat disagree that the pastéis de Belém are just as good there as anywhere else, but the rest about it is correct. Anyway, it's a matter of personal preference - I like them fresh, not made two days ago and straight from the refrigerator. --Xyzt1234 18:22, 15 September 2008 (EDT)
I find it odd that in the Stay Safe section two references popped up picturing gipsies and only gipsies as evildoers. Further ahead the maximum ATM withdrawal is referred to as being 500 euros, which is untrue -- it's 2x200 euros (400 euros). Some ill informed person(s) are going about the page.
I have not been deleting ill-informed opinions, even when my contrary opinion was deleted in the first place, due to the policy of adding, not deleting; but there's no point in cooperating if someone systematically destroys what your enter. --Xyzt1234 04:23, 21 October 2008 (EDT)
"Portugal is generally a safe country to travel, except when driving or crossing the streets. Driving is reckless. Do not rent a car or take coaches as sadly, road accidents are an integral part of daily life on Portuguese roads."
Really? Crossing the streets in the cities is easier than in many European countries (drivers seemed quicker to stop for pedestrians than I've experienced elsewhere), and driving, especially on the nice new toll highways, is very easy. And advising the traveler to not take a coach? Ridiculous! I don't know if this was written as a prank or by someone with a phobia of cars, but it gives the reader entirely the wrong impression.
(Admittedly, Portugal has the highest rate of accident fatalities of similar car-friendly countries--http://www.factbook.net/EGRF_Regional_analyses_HMCs.htm--but the odds of an accident are still quite low enough that the traveler should not have unreasonable fear.) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 22.214.171.124 (talk • contribs)
I am also removing this piece from GetAround:ByCar, as it's equally controversial:
[Other Portuguese cities often have] insane round-abouts which requires confident driving to get through and out safely. In most cities, the lack of indication signals makes it an adventure strictly for locals. You can see your destination and still be unable to get there. Parking legally is very difficult if not impossible.
I question this:
--DenisYurkin 18:03, 10 October 2009 (EDT)
I have to say that after reading the topic "Respect" in the main article i was wowed. Im portuguese myself and i may say that that section of the article is disgustful. It cames across as portuguese are violent people that fell offended easily and that cant't discuss political or ideological issues, like, bullfight, galician status, past slave trade, abortion, etc ... The topic even suggests "keep the opinion to yourself or to be cautious when sharing it" or "bullfight supporters tend to have a violent character" or even "Portuguese will find them far-fetched, adequate to fringe activists, shrug them off and suggest you to pick an interesting conversation subject instead." Im amazed that someone can say that about portuguese people. I actually think that speaking about this issues is a great way to have an interesting conversation. Those are not sensitive issues at all and you should not avoid them fearing that you will get negative reactions. Thats simply silly. The person that wrote this topic surely doesn't know portuguese culture at all and writes in basis of his/hers misconception of the portuguese people. 126.96.36.199 14:55, 26 June 2010 (EDT)
Minimum passport validity
Source of my edit about minimum passport validity:
Article 9 of Act 23/2007 (4 July 2007) of the Portuguese Republic says that the travel document of non-Portuguese citizens "must bear a validity date which supersedes the duration of the stay".
However, foreign citizens who are required to apply for a visa in order to enter the Schengen Area need to submit a passport with a validity of at least three months beyond their period of stay at the time of making their visa application (in practice this restriction means that visa nationals must have a passport valid for 3 months beyond their departure date). Jakeseems 09:08, 23 July 2011 (EDT)