I starting on the article for Portland, Ore. I've lived my entire life in Portland, so I should be able to have a good time with this :-) - Pingveno 17:10, 3 Jan 2004 (EST)
So, I stripped out most of the template boilerplate, and added a brief intro on Portland. I'll try to add some of my weak and lame knowledge about Portland to the mix. --Evan 22:33, 4 Jan 2004 (EST)
It'd be nice to list at least a couple of good places to get wireless connectivity. Checking a Web site to find out how to access the Web is kinda a chicken-and-egg problem. --Evan 11:09, 5 Feb 2004 (EST)
Moved from article
The Portland Mercury is Portland's local indie newspaper, available every Thursday. Local upcoming events can be found in their calendar. The Willamette Week, another local paper, is bigger than the Mercury but a little less 'street-level'. It serves as a great reference for local restaurants. Call it the Willie Week if you want to sound cool.
- Nils 14:30, 20 May 2004 (EDT)
- Nils: I'd think that local newspaper info is very useful. Why take it out? --Evan 14:34, 20 May 2004 (EDT)
- Evan: I agree. I'm from portland, and can attest that these two publications in particular are very valuable sources of information for travellers. It may not belong in the 'Understand' section, but at least under 'Learn' or 'Do'? --sohcahtoa
North Not NoPo
I changed NoPo to North based on the following comments in the article.
- If you say NoPo in North Portland, you will be shot.
- I have lived in North Portland for over 11 years and I have NEVER heard anyone say "NoPo"
In deference to provoking a riot, or worse, in North Portland, I thought it prudent to make the change, so the traveler would not be misinformed and consequently endangered. -- Huttite 06:18, 8 Mar 2005 (EST)
Added a big run-down of newspapers with the traveller in mind. Each publication in town has a different set of info to offer a traveller and some are more cross-demographically friendly than others. For example, I would argue someone in the boomer set wouldn't appreciate the Mercury as much as the Tribune. Short-hand nicknames for the papers were excluded because I don't feel they're universal enough but here they are for someone who feels they should be included: The Oregonian (The O', The Big O'), Willamette Week (WW, The Willy, The Willy Week), The Portland Mercury (The Mercury, The Merc), Portland Tribune (The Tribune, The Trib).
In what crazy mixed-up alternate universe is the Willamette Week left-leaning? 188.8.131.52 00:45, 27 Nov 2005 (EST)
- It's left of the Big O. However, it's probably more centrist than the tree-huggers would like. --RandalSchwartz 11:11, 28 Nov 2005 (EST)
A small thing, but I've only heard portland's major divisions (NE, SW, SE, NW, N) referred to sans article. "I live over in northwest," not "I live over in the northwest." So I changed it.
Under the get out section I suggest that we discuss some city's near Portland that might appeal to the yuppies and hipsters who frequent Portland. These citys might include Hood River, Corvallis, and Eugene.
Hmmm, I might have to object to the addition of Corvallis. Unless you're plan is to go to an OSU game there isn't much doing there. 184.108.40.206 19:17, 10 August 2006 (EDT)
There is an Oregon Wikitravel page. That might be a good place for something like Corvallis. Perhaps we could put the Oregon link in the get out section.
Why did you erase our conversation?
Making some additions and changes
I have started making some additions and changes. I am moving some of the things listed in the Do category to the See category, like the Chinese Gardens, and combining redundant information. So don't freak out.
I like some of the suggestions, such as wifi locations and places for yuppies. I will add them when I get the time.
I was looking at the Seattle page and like the way it's done. I was thinking of doing like they did, with a very large See category divided into sections, such as sports, parks, etc. Right now the See and Do categories have different types of activities.
- That's fine, we assume you are doing good stuff --thanks! But do see the page history to see why some of your edits have been re-edited. -- Colin 16:02, 21 January 2008 (EST)
It says to avoid secondary links, but it does not say they are outright banned. The link about the Columbia Gorge is very good, and has a lot of photos. Very good for tourists. Even though the link itself could be considered secondary the photos themselves are not secondary.
- If you check out Wikitravel:External links, the full rationale is in there. One of the rules is basically "just because we don't have a good guide to a particular area does not mean we should just link to one instead." Secondary sources are pretty much close to outright banning while just leaving in a little room for some judgement. For example, the site you describe about the Gorge is definitely a no-go. We want photos, descriptions, and guides to be written directly into our pages so our pages will be fully useful on their own or printed out. -- Colin 20:48, 21 January 2008 (EST)
I read the link. It says to avoid secodary links, but there is no outright ban. There is no rule, "just because..." It is as you say, some room left for judgement. I don't think you can object too much to the image index on the site I posted. It lists so many places of interest to visit and thousands of photos. There is no way that we will ever include all those places in this guide. I don't think it would be too bad to have this one secondary link. I would like to ask wikitravel about it, but haven't been able to find contact information. I noticed that you also removed someone's post of the panoramic cam at Larch Mountain.
- Webcams and photo galleries are listed in the "What not to link to" section and a really clear no-flys. If you disagree with the policy, you can try bringing up a discussion of it at Wikitravel talk:External links. But please understand that one of our goals (see Wikitravel:Goals and non-goals) is to be a printed guide, and links to webcams and photo galleries are utterly useless in print. -- Colin 23:53, 21 January 2008 (EST)