Maj and I have been having discussions over LRC protocol about this page for a few days. There's some interesting parallels with Talk:Seattle/Districts, too. The main upshot is: what do we do with information about neighborhoods for non-huge cities? If we're not going to split the neighborhood off into its own district page, where does cohesive info about the neighborhood go? Some ideas we had:
Anyways, interesting stuff. --Evan 17:23, 4 Jan 2004 (EST)
Hmm... so I think there is/will be enough material to present Philly as a huge city and break it up into districts if we kept it down to the few major geographical divisions.. say West Philly, South Philly, Center City, North Philly, Far NE... and then within these districts include all the other little neighborhood info. What do you think? -nick 21:00, 16 Aug 2004 (EDT)
I removed "* Crimson Moon corner of 20th and Sansom Streets, . " from coffee shops. It closed over the summer of 2005. They are supposedly looking for a new space to reopen. 22.214.171.124 23:16, 31 Jan 2006 (EST)
So, I removed the section on skateboarding and moved the FDR park info into "Parks". --Evan 18:08, 2 Jun 2004 (EDT)
Noticed that you've listed Powelton Village and certainly agree that it's worthy of a visit. You haven't included any information however ... how about something along the lines of:
Powelton Village is a small, diverse community in the University City section of Philadelphia. It remains visually identifiable, an oasis of tree-lined streets, porch-fronted suburban houses interspersed with a few mansions and their commercial support buildings dating from the second half of the nineteenth century.
Franklin Mills is listed as "the most visited attraction in pennsylvania". What is the source of this information? On my google search, I found superpages with this quote, attributing the statistic to Franklin Mills itself http://www.superpages.com/cities/mtg/92325, also the wikipedia article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northeast_Philadelphia calls it "one of the most visited attractions in the state".
Fulldecent 08:11, 3 Jan 2006 (EST)
Majnoona 16:09, 18 Jan 2006 (EST)
Philly's geographical districts should be named a short and sweet "Philadelphia/Northwest" etc, not a redundant "Philadelphia/Northwest Philadelphia". Jpatokal 23:40, 19 Jan 2006 (EST)
A district article for far northeast Philadelphia has been created - is it worth having it as a seperate district, or should it be merged into one of the others? -- Tim 09:08, 19 March 2007 (EDT)
I think it should be merged, there is a socio-economic difference between the northeast and far northeast, but in regards to the article, the distinctions made overlap in both. Until information about northeast philadelphia becomes so in-depth that it needs to be split (and let's face it, that'll never happen) it should be combined. Edg126 11:30, 3 May 2007 (EDT)
How about a 'When to come' section of the best time to come in the city for annual events w/ the dates. That's usually my interest of coming to wikitravel, finding the local events. Some suggestions: Fourth of July Dad Vail Regatta Penn Relays Festival of World Cinema etc... Edg126 14:42, 3 May 2007 (EDT)
Anyone know anything about getting in by plane via Skybus into Wilmington airport? That's where we're landing in a month's time but I don't know how best to get to the city. Syscrusher 01:08, 26 March 2008 (EDT)
The Learn section could be greatly improved if modeled somewhat after Chicago's, the narrative form. The big boring list as it is now is terrible.
Do: Outside the Metro
In the Do section, somebody created a subsection entitled "Outside the Metro" and included this:
Um, isn't this what the Get out section is for? I moved the info down to the Get out section. Wikitravellers may want to look out for non-Philly info getting snuck into this article. Eco84 02:16, 4 August 2008 (EDT)
The hotels located in the sleep section are mostly chain hotels located near the airport or outside of the city. A new article should be created listing the hotels located near the airport, and the remainder should be removed. Rouge 21:59, 3 August 2009 (EDT)
I'm beginning to do some significant work on the Center City district page. I'd like to know if it would be possible to create new pages for the neighborhoods within the CC district, since many of them are distinct and have a lot of restaurants, things to do, etc. within them. For example, Chinatown, Rittenhouse square, Washington Square West, Old City: these different neighborhoods all have many, many different restaurants, etc. within their borders and each have very different things to do and see, not to mention buy. Can we please allow for each of these neighborhoods to have its own page?Valkyrie23 18:27, 10 June 2009 (EDT)
OK, but let's be clear that although a district template will be needed to subdivide the CC page, these are neighborhoods, not districts, and as such are comparatively easy to divide. In fact, many of the "walking" maps of Philadelphia that you see attached to lamp posts downtown already split the city up this way. They're very brightly color-coded; for an example of one, please see this photo and map and for more detail, see this PDF.
When it was designed, CC Philadelphia was laid out like a square, with City Hall in the middle and four parks standing at each corner. Over time the boundaries expanded, so that today CC is defined by the Schuykill river to the west, the Delaware river to the east, South St. to the south, and the Vine St. expressway/I-676 to the north. The dividing lines of the neighborhoods in CC are defined by the streets that intersect at City Hall and bisect this square, Broad Street and Market Street. To the southwest of Broad and Market is the Rittenhouse Square neighborhood; to the southeast, Washington Square West; to the northwest, the Art Museum area; to the northeast, the Chinatown/Convention center area. Old City stands to the east of this square; it is defined by 5th st on the west side, South St. on the south side, Vine St. on the north side, and Front st. on the east side. Now, these boundaries aren't hard and fast, and especially in the last 10 years, CC has started to bleed south and north as neighborhoods are revitalized and feel like a part of CC. It's also true that smaller areas that have a distinct feel exist within these five large neighborhoods. But in general, this is a pretty strong definition of CC neighborhoods, and one which both the city's government and residents recognize.
As for content, the second of the two maps should indicate that each neighborhood has interesting things to see, if not do. And each neighborhood definitely has a wealth of places to eat and drink. CC is overflowing with good restaurants.
Hope this information helps, thanks!--Valkyrie23 12:13, 11 June 2009 (EDT)
I see also that some of the neighborhoods within Center City have been listed as districts in their own right on the main Philadelphia page. This is somewhat confusing. It would be OK, I think to break off Old City and make it a district equal to Center City, but then you've still got the four neighborhoods that meet at City Hall. Washington Square West, for example, should not be a district on the main Philadelphia page. --Valkyrie23 12:36, 11 June 2009 (EDT)
OK, I see what you're saying. Philadelphia is a freakin' huge city. It would be awesome to have a district map like Chicago or DC. I think the general outlines of the districts are pretty hard and fast; it's the neighborhoods within them that might cause some trouble. This map should give you a good visual of how the districts break down. 99.9% of tourists will probably only visit CC and the areas immediately surrounding it, so while I can make the case for including the outer districts, I myself would be hard pressed to come up with content for them. Some areas of the outer districts can be unsavory, if not downright dangerous, and a district like the Northeast seems so far-flung to a CC resident like myself that they hardly seem part of Philadelphia (I'll wait for the abuse to come raining down on me after that statement). So some districts will have many more neighborhoods and info in them than others. I hope that someone else will volunteer to tackle areas like the Northeast or Southwest.
The districts as they stand now are nonsense. Here's my breakdown of where they belong, within the districts as they are described in the map I've linked. There are many neighborhoods that are missing as well, especially in South Philly.
Let me know the specifics of what you would need to get started on a map. Thanks again! --Valkyrie23 14:57, 12 June 2009 (EDT)
OK, here's the map I've created on Google. I've narrowed the districts down to seven, which I think is ok. Then I think all neighborhood pages should be redirected. More will have to be added in the northwest and northeast especially, but I can't say for sure which ones they are at the moment. After thinking about this, I think it might be easiest to split Center City up into "Center City West", "Center City East" and Old City, essentially dividing the district into thirds and doubling up the four neighborhoods I've mentioned above. So Rittenhouse Square and Art Museum area would become Center City West, while Chinatown/Convention Center and Washington Square West would become Center City East. Sorry if that's even more confusing.--126.96.36.199 18:00, 17 June 2009 (EDT)
Yep, it is in the middle, so it's a toss up. I myself have always thought of City Hall more as part of the east side of CC than the west.--Valkyrie23 00:50, 18 June 2009 (EDT)
Center City should be simplified into just Center City East/West. City Hall should be put on the east side because the neighborhood is so closely associated with the Convention Center area. Other than that the map looks fantastic Rouge 20:19, 14 November 2009 (EST)
For reference, here are the exact changes being made:
Push for guide status
I've finished converting the old sloppy mess into the new districts scheme, and I'm personally quite happy with the current structure. As for the quality of the articles themselves... they're still a mess. Every last one, including the overview article, needs a lot of formatting work and copyediting. Here is what I think needs to happen in order to push Philadelphia towards guide status, rather than mere usable status:
That's only a few tasks, although each will probably be pretty time intensive. Aside from those, all district articles will need basic "get in" info, as well as at least a couple eat and sleep listings. That part will actually be really easy for anyone who knows the city at all. I hope someone takes on these tasks to make a great guide for a great city! --Peter Talk 01:07, 2 December 2009 (EST)