Perhaps there should be some warning of taking coca-tea out of Peru. I've heard that many countries treat any products of the coca plant as illegal drugs, and taking with you a couple of teabags to enjoy in your home country can get you into serious trobule with the law.
Either I'm absolutely ignorant about the existence of a standard classification of important gastronomies in the world and a reference is missing either this is extremelly funny:
"gastronomy (the fifth most important one of the world)" - why not the 4th? :-)
Shouldn't we outsource most of the CIA stuf? It's too many facts that are not so necessary for traveling. It makes the page harder to read.
Yeah, probably. But it's nice having placeholders for stuff until real articles can be written. -- Evan 19:03, 4 Sep 2003 (PDT)
Placeholders are OK, but on the Peruvian page, a begining is already done. Tomorrow, I will have a look what I find to be important and outsource the rest on a new linked page. If you agree. -- Hans
I've removed the most irrelevant stats, the same as I've done on a number of other CIA factbook listings. Some of the rest are probably surpurflous(sp?) too... KJ 00:31, 5 Sep 2003 (PDT)
Thank you Karen for proofreading and reviewing. I could not resist and have shortend the statistics part from the factbook. The complete statistic is linked. --- Hans, 5 Sep 2003, 15:26 MEST (13:26 GMT)
I don't even think the link is really all that necessary. If someone needs invasion statistics for Peru, they can find that info elsewhere. We really need the travel info. As an aside: Hans, you should really set up a user account so we can all talk to you! I assume you've been doing all the great work on Peru -- keep up the great work. Also, I wonder if we could move part of this discussion to the factbook import talk page. -- Evan 13:28, 5 Sep 2003 (PDT)
I really like all the Peru content, but I'm having trouble with all the "(department)" article names. Are these needed? According to the naming conventions these geograpical units should be used to distinguish two places with the same name (ie New York the city and New York the state). Is there really more than one of all of these? Or is the department always named after the capital? And if that wasn't enough, wouldn't having (Peru) help too? I'm actually going to open a big can of worms about this one the naming conventions page, but I thought I'd poke at a real example first. Majnoona
Wikitravel is great! I just added some of my own experiences from Peru last year. However, I strongly disagree with the contention that you will get diarrhoea unless you stay at expensive hotels and be careful about what you eat. This is very different for different parts of the country. In Huaraz, we lived fairly inexpensively, but it was very nice and clean. We used to eat at quite expensive restaurants, yet, we all got diarrhoea, and I got it bad (I did some really serious shitting at 6000 meters... :-) ). We spent some time in Cusco before we went to Huaraz, lived at some inexpensive but very clean and nice youth hostels, and ate at inexpensive restaurants. I returned to Cusco after Huaraz, alone, and 12 hours after returning to Cusco, my stomach was again well. In Cusco, I had no problems eating anything, please see my Cusco and Pisac edits. I'd buy food from kids on the streets, I'd sit down with the locals to have lunch, I'd buy bread through the train windows. That worked absolutely great for me. In the sunday market at Pisac, it became evident why this worked: in the pile of tomatoes, you bet there weren't one single bad one. Really, I've travelled a lot, but I have never seen anything of that quality anywhere else in the world. I'm not logged in. My name is Kjetil Kjernsmo, I'm Norwegian.
Great, the first one who begins to discus the travel related stuff on the Peru pages. Hi, Kjetil, I like your addings to the Cuzco page and the new Pisac page. Concerning the diarrhoea, I just wanted to say that you should reckon with getting it when travelling Peru. Of course, eating food sold on the street may work quite well, if you are lucky. But sometimes, when seeing sellers cleaning their food in the gutter, you could get some kind of bad feeling, anyway. At the other hand, you don't know what happens in the kitchen of a restaurant, either. So, feel free to change my text in order to find a better way to express the hygienical standards. -- Hansm 01:09, 2003 Nov 11 (PST)
Yup, thanks for the response! There are obviously always some things you can do that are stupid, and obviously, you can get it rather bad here and there. I'll try to think of some alternative formulation! -- Kjetil
Anyone object to the deletion of this section and all its contents?
As a tourism advisor for the region, I know that having a list of reputable tour operators would help travelers escape the many scam sites out there. --Renee
Tour operators should only be listed in the city where they are based. And only certain types of tour operators are allowed to be listed per our policy on tours. --PeterTalk 19:51, 30 July 2009 (EDT)
Thank you, Peter. However, in the policy on tours that you mention above, Wikitravel specifically mentions the Amazon(aka Peru) as an area that is recommended to list travel tours due to the danger there. I do not read into it that it should be listed in the city.
I would like to add the tour guide list back to this article. Please understand that I am new to Wikitravel, and I am trying very hard to format everything correctly. None the less, I feel strongly that most travelers should consider using a reputable tour organization when visiting this part of the world. --Renee
I don't think that there is any issue with listing a tour operator that meets the tour guidelines in an article for a place that they offer a tour (provided listings are limited - don't add dozens of listings to different articles), but putting that listing it in the country article seems inappropriate. For example, there are tons of tour operators that will take you through Gates of the Arctic National Park in Alaska, but listing those operators in either the Alaska or United States of America articles would be wrong. In this case, if a tour operator is offering a tour to a specific region of the Amazon, list the operator in the article for that region, NOT for the entire Peru article. -- Ryan • (talk) • 17:04, 31 July 2009 (EDT)
Good Point, Ryan. Tour operators should be listed only in the most relevant article.--Renee
Section "Tourist Information and Assistance Service"
I add this section because its and official service for tourist, provided by Promperu and INDECOPI, that are the peruvian goverment officies that gives information about Peru and consumer's protection offices. Iperu is a free and not profitable services.
Agregué esta sección sobre Iperú, el servicio de información y asistencia al turista porque es un servicio gratuito, confiable y actualizado que el gobierno peruano, a través de PromPerú e INDECOPI (oficinas de promoción del Perú y de Protección al consumidor respectivamente) brinda a los turistas nacionales y extranjeros con el fin de otorgar toda la información requerida para planificar su viaje al Perú y obtener asistencia en caso de problemas o inconformidad con los servicios brindados por las empresas en el Perú. Es necesario puesto que es una gran ayuda para turistas extranjeros que deseen venir al Perú.
Edwin Villacorta - Iquitos, Perú.
Just got back from my honeymoon in Peru, absolutely wonderful place. I had found that the payphones were extremely expensive, and that going to a locutorio was the best idea -- the prices were much better. You might want to rephrase my poor text ;)
The majority of Peru's departments make no sense as travel regions—many of them cover several areas wholly different from each other in terms of culture, topography, climate, vegetation, etc. I therefore split several of the departments across the top-level regions for the country. I would advise against any further subdivisions based on strict administrative department boundaries—we should take time to make sure further subdivisions make sense, and do not muddle the hierarchical organization. --PeterTalk 22:51, 2 February 2009 (EST)
In my opinion it would make more sense to divide by official department rather than unofficial regions. There has been virtually no work done on the unofficial region pages and I think thats probably due to the confusion as to were the borders of these regions lie. Also, using the official departments makes it much easier when using wikitravel in conjuction with other guides or maps. I think we need to change this.
Madre de Dios,
Madre de Dios,
Well, the map shows clearly where the boundaries fall, and the official departments are grouped within the unofficial regions because we don't want to have a giant list of links for 24 regions from the main Peru page. texugo 11:50, 13 April 2011 (EDT)
I don't agree at all, theres nothing clear about it and the official departments don't seem to be grouped within the unofficial regions.
Central Coast = Lima.
Southern Coast = Ica, some of Arequipa, some of Moquegua and some of Tacna.
Northern Coast = Tumbes, Piura, Lambayeque, some of La Libertad, some of Ancash.
Southern Sierra = Cusco, Apurimac, Ayacucho, Junin and Huancavelica.
Central Sierra = Huanuco and Pasco.
Northern Sierra = Cajamarca and some of La Libertad.
Altiplano = Puno, some of Cusco, some of Arequipa, some of Moquegua and some of Tacna.
San Martín = San Martin.
Peruvian Amazon = Amazonas, Loreto, Ucayali.
Madre de Dios = Madre de Dios and maybe some of Cusco.
My point is we could make a south america page where we forget about the borders of all the countries and divide it into regions that we deem fit, for example; desert, mountains, jungle but that might be very confusing for people reading the page. I think we should stick to official regions rather than inventing our own.
The difference is that countries have different entrance requirements, currencies, electricity, etc. That's not usually true for sub-country-level administrative regions. And 24 is far too many to list. Could you suggest a way to group the departments that makes more sense? LtPowers 19:49, 13 April 2011 (EDT)
Looking at what has been done for other countries (eg Brazil, USA), a few states or departments have been grouped together to form a larger region, this is one option. Showing the department borders on the existing map is perhaps another option. One advantage of the existing system is that it is remarkably similar to that used by the Lonely Planet. Other systems seem to rely heavily on altitude which wouldn't help us a lot. I can see its a tough one as the different departments and ecological areas don't correspond. This map - http://www.borrones.net/graficos/mapa1.jpg shows department borders and different ecological areas. It is difficult. Looking at the different options I'd suggest doing what has been done for other countries and group several departments together to form larger areas. The current system doesn't seem to use ecological areas or political boundries, basically the only system it seems to have any real similarities to is that which is used by the Lonely Planet.
I don't know where you guys get that "there is a *very high risk* to be infected by AIDS and other sexual diseases". The risk is as high (or would I say "normal") as in any other latinamerican country. --DavidTalk 08:26, 30 February 2009 (EST)
"Do not drink water from the faucet or wash your teeth with it".... and other paranoia...... You can brush your teeth with the tap water and rinse your mouth with it. "Water from the faucet is made drinkable by boiling it during 5 minutes"............ boiling water in a kettle is sufficient, you don't need to boil it for five minutes unless your really paranoid...... I'm going to go ahead and change this
--HarleyTalk 20:08, 17 April 2011 (EST)