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I took out the Author section of this article. See Wikitravel:first person pronouns for more info. --Evan 12:02, 17 Dec 2003 (PST)

I took out the section "Local Travel Guides", as I don't understand what it means. The Cities and Regions sections point to travel guides for cities and regions of Pennsylvania, respectively. --Evan 17:36, 28 Sep 2004 (EDT)

Region breakdown

Draft regions map

We need some regions for this state; VisitPA (the state tourist site) has this breakdown, and Open Directory has this one. Should we try to put together something similar? --Evan 17:34, 13 Jan 2006 (EST)

Oh yikes! This regions section did not develop well, and the existing regions overlap significantly. I suppose they'll need to be merged/deleted into a sensible breakdown. I'll put up a suggestion map soon, but I don't really know too much about the state & could use help—any locals have suggestions? --Peter Talk 00:12, 6 March 2008 (EST)
Actually, here's an obscure PA regions breakdown, which I rather like. I'd be tempted to split off portions of the "Endless Mts" and "Susquehanna Valley" to preserve the "Coal Region," but otherwise this looks like a passable breakdown—any thoughts? --Peter Talk 00:18, 6 March 2008 (EST)
OK, here's a draft regions map. Perhaps the names should change a bit? And I don't like that I've left Lehigh Valley in there, but I don't know what else to do with it. Could it be merged with the Delaware Valley? Any other thoughts on this draft breakdown? --Peter Talk 00:45, 6 March 2008 (EST)
bump --Peter Talk 05:06, 4 June 2008 (EDT)
Well, speaking as someone who's been to Eastern PA all of three times, and even then just passing through, my completely uneducated opinion is that the two valleys can be combined. I don't think The Lehigh Valley (Allentown area, I guess) is far enough from Philadelphia to be a separate destination. The only other comment I would have is that the Pittsburgh region looks weighted northwest, given the location of the city; it seems like parts of the neighboring counties south and west would be part of the area. LtPowers 12:16, 4 June 2008 (EDT)
I asked my wife, who's from PA, and she agreed that the Pittsburgh and Vicinity region should include the eastern and southern suburbs outside Allegheny County. LtPowers 15:32, 10 June 2008 (EDT)

So the more I think about it, the more I think VisitPA got it right: [1]. I know we don't usually go with the states' tourism definitions, but I think in this case they've got it pegged. (The names they chose are cheesy, though, and can be changed.) I know Peter liked the Coal Region, but I'm not sure how useful it is to the traveler. LtPowers 09:13, 1 August 2008 (EDT)

Those do look pretty good. They also mean more work in reorganizing the existing regions, but I'll deal with it. I've updated the map, and if the divisions look right, I'll move ahead with this. --Peter Talk 04:29, 11 August 2008 (EDT)
I don't like "Great Lakes Region" (it's a little generic, not clearly Pennsylvanian, and even a bit pretentious for 30 miles of shoreline along Lake Erie), but it's better than "Northwest Pennsylvania" and I don't have a better suggestion. Maybe "Lake Erie Region"? Or even "Erie Region" (since the main city in the area is Erie)? Anyway, I'd be happy to work on reorganizing the regions if you'd rather not. =) LtPowers 08:40, 11 August 2008 (EDT)
Sounds good to me! If you want to start hitting the regions, I'll upload a new png (and an updated svg) in the next couple hours. --Peter Talk 12:52, 11 August 2008 (EDT)
The task is done, at least I think so. Linkage was inconsistent at best, so I may have missed some regions or destinations that were linked to their regions only via the "IsIn" template (such links don't show up in "What links here"). Poconos and Endless Mountains needs some heavy revision; I tried to leave the Coal Region as a subregion, but now the main article reads awkwardly, and some destinations may be missing. Philadelphia Region and Pennsylvania Wilds are stubs. LtPowers 19:46, 11 August 2008 (EDT)
Yeah, the new regions need to get fleshed out (mainly the 9 cities/other destinations sections). If my insomnia keeps up, I'll take a second crack at it tonight. --Peter Talk 20:12, 11 August 2008 (EDT)

Shuylkill Expwy

I removed the joke about calling the Schuylkill expressway the 'sure kill' expressway. Nobody locally calls it that except to mock the non local people that call it that. Also added the part about staying out of the left hand lane. It's always people from NJ and DE going 55 in the left hand lane on highways, arrrrg. --edg126 14:52, 10 Apr 2007 (EST)

Eat Section?

Their is no actual eating listing here its just names of foods. --Norvak 15:14, 23 December 2008 (EST)

That's right; we put listings in articles for cities, not in regional articles. Regional articles should talk about what types of food are available, and only mention specific restuarants if a traveler to the region would definitely not want to miss eating there. See Wikitravel:Region article template#Eat for details. LtPowers 15:44, 23 December 2008 (EST)

State College and region borders has State College (which is in Centre County, the big one right in the middle of the state) in the Alleghenies and Susquehanna region, but by our definition all of Centre County is in the Pennsylvania Wilds region. VisitPA draws the line between the two regions right through Centre County rather than following the county border. I have no opinion either way, so I'm soliciting others here: in which region should we place State College? LtPowers 11:58, 29 December 2008 (EST)

State College itself is located in the "ridge and valley" section of Pennsylvania on the east side of the Alleghenies. I think it is much more appropriate in the Alleghenies and Susquehanna Valley region. Danwxman 16:23, 4 March 2009 (EST)

9 Cities

Would anyone object to dropping State College in favor of Erie? State College offers nothing for tourists aside from Penn State University. Erie, on the other hand, is one of Pennsylvania's most popular tourist spots. ChubbyWimbus 19:13, 8 October 2009 (EDT)

Sounds like a good idea to me. LtPowers 20:26, 8 October 2009 (EDT)
I'd sooner drop Williamsport. Penn State gets a ton of visitors from all over the country during football season. We could also consider axing both Gettysburg and Hershey in the cities section and resurrect their main attractions (the battlefield and the theme park) in the OD section—I don't believe that either city/town is very notable for anything other than being next to those attractions. That would help fill out the OD list, and allow us to squeeze in another PA city (Altoona? Bethlehem? York?). But in any rate, I agree that Erie should be in the list. --Peter Talk 20:33, 8 October 2009 (EDT)
I must have been in the process of removing State College while you wrote this. I have no problem with dropping Williamsport. Gettysburg is so historical, I don't think it should be cut. I do like Hershey, but I would be willing to drop it. If Hershey were moved out, what do you think about Lancaster? I haven't been there, but it's quite famous as a destination for those interested in the Amish. Since Pennsylvania itself is well known for being home of the Amish, perhaps adding Lancaster would showcase the broader spectrum of Pennsylvania "culture"? ChubbyWimbus 20:55, 8 October 2009 (EDT)
I dunno about Williamsport. If we're just looking at numbers, sure, the Nittany Lions outdraw Little League. But lots of places have big college football stadiums; Williamsport is at least unique in its singular attraction. I would support moving Gettysburg to the Other Destinations section, but not Hershey. LtPowers 11:49, 9 October 2009 (EDT)
I've moved Hershey and Gettysburg to OD to show what my intent was. But since we obviously don't have consensus for that change, please feel free to revert.
Lancaster strikes me as a good addition. And LtPowers, why not move Hershey? As a census-designated place of 12,000, I think it's hardly an important urban destination in its own right. Heck, I'm pretty sure I stayed in Lebanon when I went to the park—I never even entered Hershey the town. --Peter Talk 18:40, 9 October 2009 (EDT)
It had never crossed my mind to link to the page from the attraction (Hersheypark) rather than the city, but I think it looks good! Certainly Hersheypark is the only reason why Hershey is an important Pennsylvania destination. I had just assumed you were going to move Gettysburg and Hershey as they were, but I think the list represents Pennsyvlania much better now! ChubbyWimbus 23:57, 9 October 2009 (EDT)
Hershey also has probably the most celebrated and most successful AHL team, as much as it pains me as a Rochesterian to say that. =) That's the main reason I'm reluctant to say that the theme park is the only thing there. (Also, I believe Hersheypark and Hershey's Chocolate World are technically two separate attractions.) There's also the "wording test" that has been mentioned before: does someone say "I'm going to Hersheypark" or "I'm going to Hershey"? In my experience, it's the latter. LtPowers 16:43, 10 October 2009 (EDT)
Therein lies the disagreement. My experience is the opposite—I've never even heard of someone visiting Hershey in any other context than "I'm going to Hersheypark," but of course I'm not actually from the area. But mostly I like this solution as it helps us fill out the OD list a bit more, and allows other cities like Williamsport and Lancaster a place in the lists. --Peter Talk 17:41, 10 October 2009 (EDT)
Yeah, it's really borderline. When one says "I'm going to Hershey" most people will assume you're going to go to the amusement park and to Chocolate World. I guess I'm okay with the philosophy as stated, although couldn't the same apply to State College? Anyway, it'd be nice to have some native Pennsylvanians weigh in.



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