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Feel free to move the Places to eat to their respective city pages. Was a new user's experiment - Huttite 04:17, 30 Mar 2004 (EST)

  • Reverted page as content now on the respective city pages. -- Huttite 04:39, 30 Mar 2004 (EST)

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"Local travel guides"

I took out the "Local travel guides" section of this region page. I'm not sure I understood what it was supposed to signify. All the cities and sub-regions listed in a region guide are also travel guides. Is there something I'm missing here? --Evan 17:24, 28 Sep 2004 (EDT)

Hamilton!

Actually, the exclamation point is part of the name. See [1], for example. That article notes, "These days, however, Hamilton! is not widely used." So Wikitravel policies would indicate removing it. -- Jonboy 16:30, 17 May 2006 (EDT)

How did you find that? I guess we learn something new every day (Even something about our hometown areas). - Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 16:37, 17 May 2006 (EDT)

Regions

There are currently five regions defined for Ohio:

I'd like to propose renaming these regions to remove the "(Ohio)" so that we would simply have "Southwest Ohio". User:TVerBeek has already done something similar for Alaska, and eventually it might be nice to see it made part of the Wikitravel:Article naming conventions since no one says "I'm going to visit Southeast".

In addition, while counties are not always a good way to define a region, when I lived in Ohio counties were commonly used and seem like they might make a good way to keep regional borders straight. How about the following (see [2] for a map):

  • Mid-Ohio
    • Auglaize County (Wapakoneta)
    • Belmont County (St. Clairsville)
    • Carroll County (Carrollton)
    • Champaign County (Urbana)
    • Clark County (Springfield)
    • Coshocton County (Coshocton)
    • Darke County (Greenville)
    • Delaware County (Delaware)
    • Franklin County (Columbus, state capital)
    • Guernsey County (Cambridge)
    • Harrison County (Cadiz)
    • Holmes County (Millersburg)
    • Jefferson County (Steubenville)
    • Knox County (Mount Vernon)
    • Licking County (Newark)
    • Logan County (Bellefontaine)
    • Madison County (London)
    • Marion County (Marion)
    • Miami County (Troy)
    • Mercer County (Celina)
    • Morrow County (Mount Gilead)
    • Muskingum County (Zanesville)
    • Shelby County (Sidney)
    • Tuscarawas County (New Philadelphia)
    • Union County (Marysville)
  • Northeast Ohio
    • Ashtabula County (Jefferson)
    • Columbiana County (Lisbon)
    • Cuyahoga County (Cleveland)
    • Geauga County (Chardon)
    • Lake County (Painesville)
    • Lorain County (Elyria)
    • Mahoning County (Youngstown)
    • Medina County (Medina)
    • Portage County (Ravenna)
    • Stark County (Canton)
    • Summit County (Akron)
    • Trumbull County (Warren)
    • Wayne County (Wooster)
  • Northwest Ohio
    • Allen County (Lima)
    • Ashland County (Ashland)
    • Crawford County (Bucyrus)
    • Defiance County (Defiance)
    • Erie County (Sandusky)
    • Fulton County (Wauseon)
    • Hancock County (Findlay)
    • Hardin County (Kenton)
    • Henry County (Napoleon)
    • Huron County (Norwalk)
    • Lucas County (Toledo)
    • Ottawa County (Port Clinton)
    • Paulding County (Paulding)
    • Putnam County (Ottawa)
    • Richland County (Mansfield)
    • Sandusky County (Fremont)
    • Seneca County (Tiffin)
    • Van Wert County (Van Wert)
    • Williams County (Bryan)
    • Wood County (Bowling Green)
    • Wyandot County (Upper Sandusky)
  • Southeast Ohio
    • Athens County (Athens)
    • Gallia County (Gallipolis)
    • Fairfield County (Lancaster)
    • Hocking County (Logan)
    • Jackson County (Jackson)
    • Lawrence County (Ironton)
    • Meigs County (Pomeroy)
    • Monroe County (Woodsfield)
    • Morgan County (McConnelsville)
    • Noble County (Caldwell)
    • Perry County (New Lexington)
    • Vinton County (McArthur)
    • Washington County (Marietta)
  • Southwest Ohio
    • Adams County (West Union)
    • Brown County (Georgetown)
    • Butler County (Hamilton)
    • Clermont County (Batavia)
    • Clinton County (Wilmington)
    • Fayette County (Washington Court House)
    • Greene County (Xenia)
    • Hamilton County (Cincinnati)
    • Highland County (Hillsboro)
    • Montgomery County (Dayton)
    • Pickaway County (Circleville)
    • Pike County (Waverly)
    • Preble County (Eaton)
    • Ross County (Chillicothe)
    • Scioto County (Portsmouth)
    • Warren County (Lebanon)

I'm most familiar with the counties along Lake Erie, so I may have goofed up a bit, but does this seem like a reasonable proposal? It basically divides the state with a band across the middle for Mid-Ohio and the four corners of the state are given their own regions. Also note that I'm not proposing we necessarily create an article for each county, but using the above for our definitions of each region makes it really easy to figure out what city goes where. Thoughts? -- Ryan 14:16, 1 August 2006 (EDT)

I like the idea and I've already started some counties for Southwest Ohio. Since Ohio's regions are fairly large I do agree that using counties are a good idea to help a traveller locate his/her destination. The county articles also help with covering small attractions for cities that do not warrant an article. Renaming these articles will require a lot of work with fixing the isIn tags. I'm not too worried about links in articles, because a redirect can help with that. -- Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 14:28, 1 August 2006 (EDT)
Aye, it's the IsIn's that make this sort of thing difficult. That's why I did it for Alaska: not much IsIn the 49th state. :) - Todd VerBeek 18:30, 1 August 2006 (EDT)
I'll wait a bit to see if anyone disagrees, but otherwise we might as well copy the county lists into each region article, similar to what Colin has done with the California regions (it worked nicely there, although California counties are much larger than Ohio's). To alleviate Todd's concerns about counties we can create the county name as a non-link for now, and only use Wiki links for pre-existing county articles. As to the isIn issues, I can do my best to update them (probably late tonight) - I'm with Todd in that I think "South (Foo)" or "Northeast (Goo)" really don't follow the "use the common name" rule, since who really ever says "I live in Northwest"? -- Ryan 15:10, 1 August 2006 (EDT)
I was going to ask would you want to split the work? You could take the northern half since you have more knowledge about that area than I do and I could take the southern regions? -- Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 15:14, 1 August 2006 (EDT)
Sounds good! I'll wait a bit longer before making any changes just to give anyone who's interested a chance to chime in, but will probably start out updating things later tonight. -- Ryan 15:52, 1 August 2006 (EDT)
Ok, just leave a note on my talk page whenever you're ready. -- Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 18:07, 1 August 2006 (EDT)
If counties are in fact the best way to break down a region into subregions, then by all means use them. They certainly work in some places (e.g. the UK), and if Ohio has a strong enough sense of "county identity" that travelers will find them useful, there's no problem. My main concern is that people are sometimes using them as if they were an automatic part of our hierarchy (e.g. including them pre-emptively on disambig pages) rather than using them when-and-only-when they are the best way to divide a specific state or region. And keep in mind that even if counties are used to divide most parts of Ohio, they don't have to be used everywhere in the state; if (for example) Greater Columbus happens to make a few local counties superfluous, don't use them. - Todd VerBeek 18:26, 1 August 2006 (EDT)
Thanks Todd - based on my experiences in Ohio it seems like a region such as Ashtabula County is often going to be the best region we can get - it's non-ambiguous, and what else are you going to call that corner of the state? In other cases you're right about counties not being the best - Greater Cleveland seems like a more useful region to me than Cuyahoga County, although the latter might be a useful sub-region for the sake of organization. I'll start on this cleanup when I get a chance later tonight. -- Ryan 18:51, 1 August 2006 (EDT)

On further comptemplation...

Copied from User talk:Wrh2

Is Mid-Ohio even a region? I've heard of the other four, but I'm not sure I've ever heard of Mid-Ohio is there possibly another name for this region? -- Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 20:03, 1 August 2006 (EDT)

Personally I would have gone with "Central Ohio" (which is also what dmoz.org uses) but I didn't make it down to Columbus that much so I'm probably not the best judge. -- Ryan 20:07, 1 August 2006 (EDT)
Another project, possibly? -- Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 20:10, 1 August 2006 (EDT)
I'm not as opposed to "Mid-Ohio" as I am to the "North (Foo)"-type names, but if you think it should be changed I'd be glad to help out. -- Ryan 20:17, 1 August 2006 (EDT)
Nah, I'll just make a notation that it could also be called Central Ohio. -- Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 20:24, 1 August 2006 (EDT)
For what it's worth, one of the big regional comicbook conventions is called Mid-Ohio Con, so it seems a natural term to me, and probably has local usage. A fair number of Google hits for "mid-ohio" as well. - Todd VerBeek 21:22, 1 August 2006 (EDT)

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