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Might I suggest the original author read very carefully "American Babylon: Race and the Stuggle for Post-War Oakland," or "Suburban Warriors: Origins of the New American Right," both of which give a detailed, social, economic, and historical analysis as to the origins of Oakland's urban problems (and for that matter,  
 
Might I suggest the original author read very carefully "American Babylon: Race and the Stuggle for Post-War Oakland," or "Suburban Warriors: Origins of the New American Right," both of which give a detailed, social, economic, and historical analysis as to the origins of Oakland's urban problems (and for that matter,  
"booming" San Jose "success").  Might this reader also suggest that the author also spend time in the Oakland retail neighborhoods of Piedmont Avenue, Rockridge, and Montclair Village.  I suggest the original author visit such noted Oakland restaurants as the Bay Wolf, JoJo's, Le Citron, A Ct,and Canvas, all of which hold their against their San Francisco and Berkeley counterparts; I propose said auther take a walk through  the residential neighborhoods of Rockridge, upper Rockridge, Montclair, upper Montclair, Oakmore, Redwood Heights, Skyline. These areas boast gracious old homes, stunningly eccentric architectural experiments, many of which reach well over the million dollar price tag. But what should have caught the author's attention is that these affluent neighborhoods have a more ethnically diverse group of residents than one will find in these neighborhoods' counterparts in Piedmontor "charming" San Francisco and "booming" San Jose.  One can find considerable charm  in the up and coming Laurel, Temescal, and Dimond, as well.   
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"booming" San Jose "success").  Might this reader also suggest that the author also spend time in the Oakland retail neighborhoods of Piedmont Avenue, Rockridge, and Montclair Village.  I suggest the original author visit such noted Oakland restaurants as the Bay Wolf, JoJo's, Le Citron, A Côté,and Canvas, all of which hold their against their San Francisco and Berkeley counterparts; I propose said auther take a walk through  the residential neighborhoods of Rockridge, upper Rockridge, Montclair, upper Montclair, Oakmore, Redwood Heights, Skyline. These areas boast gracious old homes, stunningly eccentric architectural experiments, many of which reach well over the million dollar price tag. But what should have caught the author's attention is that these affluent neighborhoods have a more ethnically diverse group of residents than one will find in these neighborhoods' counterparts in Piedmontor "charming" San Francisco and "booming" San Jose.  One can find considerable charm  in the up and coming Laurel, Temescal, and Dimond, as well.   
  
 
What is extraordinary to this reader is that Oakland, for all of its real problems, including high crime and poverty, has undergone growth, population growth, and skyrocketing housing prices, all of which indicate a real Renaissance, a reversal of the "White flight" of the 1950s through the 1970s. The city boasts a rising rate of interracial marriage  as well, far ahead of the rest of the nation.  That is Oakland's story as well as its "real" urban problems.  By contrast,  would also note that San Francisco relegates a large segment of its poor African-American community to the hinterland of Hunter's Point and San Jose's and Silicon Valley's gleaming "high-tech campuses" mean little to  disaffected and disenfranchised Hispanic community of the area. "Do you know the way to San Jose," indeed.  San Francisco and San Jose certainly have their share of "real" problems, but the larger dominant population can literally afford to either isolate its "problem" to the hinterland, or ignore it altogether.  One suspects that Oakland, that proverbial "Other" of Bay Area cities, serves a useful purpose, the place upon which surrounding populations can project their own fears, perceptions, and prejudices, without having to address any of their own.
 
What is extraordinary to this reader is that Oakland, for all of its real problems, including high crime and poverty, has undergone growth, population growth, and skyrocketing housing prices, all of which indicate a real Renaissance, a reversal of the "White flight" of the 1950s through the 1970s. The city boasts a rising rate of interracial marriage  as well, far ahead of the rest of the nation.  That is Oakland's story as well as its "real" urban problems.  By contrast,  would also note that San Francisco relegates a large segment of its poor African-American community to the hinterland of Hunter's Point and San Jose's and Silicon Valley's gleaming "high-tech campuses" mean little to  disaffected and disenfranchised Hispanic community of the area. "Do you know the way to San Jose," indeed.  San Francisco and San Jose certainly have their share of "real" problems, but the larger dominant population can literally afford to either isolate its "problem" to the hinterland, or ignore it altogether.  One suspects that Oakland, that proverbial "Other" of Bay Area cities, serves a useful purpose, the place upon which surrounding populations can project their own fears, perceptions, and prejudices, without having to address any of their own.

Revision as of 05:42, 31 January 2005

I, too, was disappointed by the disparging, condescending, and not a little bit racist undercurrents of the article about Oakland. The writer claims, "I don't like making the point that high black population = high crime," but then goes on to describe a city that is utterly inferior to San Francisco in charm and economically depressed in contrast to San Jose. And, oh, by the way, Oakland has a large Black population. Even the commentary concerning Oakland's affluent areas referred to the beautiful neighborhoods of upper Rockridge and Montclair as but a "tinderbox" ---which begs the question: is San Francisco then but a "faultline?" I found that racial biases tainted the article. No doubt Oakland has real problems, but the city's Black population is not all marginalized and poor. For example, readers would have appreciated hearing about the late Robert Maynard, African-American publisher and owner of the Oakland Tribune, a man who took a dying paper and made it a pulitzer-prize winning newspaper before his death. Or what of former Yale professor of literature and playright Ismeel Reed? Oakland's African-American community has given much more to American culture than just "West Coast Rappers."

Might I suggest the original author read very carefully "American Babylon: Race and the Stuggle for Post-War Oakland," or "Suburban Warriors: Origins of the New American Right," both of which give a detailed, social, economic, and historical analysis as to the origins of Oakland's urban problems (and for that matter, "booming" San Jose "success"). Might this reader also suggest that the author also spend time in the Oakland retail neighborhoods of Piedmont Avenue, Rockridge, and Montclair Village. I suggest the original author visit such noted Oakland restaurants as the Bay Wolf, JoJo's, Le Citron, A Côté,and Canvas, all of which hold their against their San Francisco and Berkeley counterparts; I propose said auther take a walk through the residential neighborhoods of Rockridge, upper Rockridge, Montclair, upper Montclair, Oakmore, Redwood Heights, Skyline. These areas boast gracious old homes, stunningly eccentric architectural experiments, many of which reach well over the million dollar price tag. But what should have caught the author's attention is that these affluent neighborhoods have a more ethnically diverse group of residents than one will find in these neighborhoods' counterparts in Piedmontor "charming" San Francisco and "booming" San Jose. One can find considerable charm in the up and coming Laurel, Temescal, and Dimond, as well.

What is extraordinary to this reader is that Oakland, for all of its real problems, including high crime and poverty, has undergone growth, population growth, and skyrocketing housing prices, all of which indicate a real Renaissance, a reversal of the "White flight" of the 1950s through the 1970s. The city boasts a rising rate of interracial marriage as well, far ahead of the rest of the nation. That is Oakland's story as well as its "real" urban problems. By contrast, would also note that San Francisco relegates a large segment of its poor African-American community to the hinterland of Hunter's Point and San Jose's and Silicon Valley's gleaming "high-tech campuses" mean little to disaffected and disenfranchised Hispanic community of the area. "Do you know the way to San Jose," indeed. San Francisco and San Jose certainly have their share of "real" problems, but the larger dominant population can literally afford to either isolate its "problem" to the hinterland, or ignore it altogether. One suspects that Oakland, that proverbial "Other" of Bay Area cities, serves a useful purpose, the place upon which surrounding populations can project their own fears, perceptions, and prejudices, without having to address any of their own.

Happily, edited the offending article has been edited, giving it more nuance and a great deal more accuracy. And I am glad that the edited article address the racial component, not only in regards to media and popular perceptions, but in the very article in question.

For the record, I'm British (White), and I live in Manhattan. However, I have lived and worked in both San Francisco and Oakland, California. The updated article about Oakland, California reflects a more honest appraisal of the city, and certainly seems closer to the Oakland that I know, respect, and truth be told, have grown to love.

A.Mason


I was taken aback by the extremely disparaging tone of this article. It needs some extensive rewriting, which I'll hopefully have time to contribute to in the near future. Aezram 13:55, 21 Jan 2005 (EST)

I had a hard time describing Oakland's African-American culture. I don't like making the point that high black population -> high crime, but the plain fact is that there's a lot of poverty in Oakland, that race has something to do with that, and that there's consequent crime. I don't think it would be fair to travelers to gloss over this. I'd appreciate if someone could clean up my prose, though. -- Evan 15:14, 29 Nov 2003 (PST)

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