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: I don't think this is necessary either.  [[User:Jpatokal|Jpatokal]] 13:55, 18 September 2006 (EDT)
 
: I don't think this is necessary either.  [[User:Jpatokal|Jpatokal]] 13:55, 18 September 2006 (EDT)
 
::I'm very much in favor of keeping it.  Seeing them is most definitely ''not'' as simple as getting "anywhere above a certain latitude."  (I'll be glad to expand on this, but be ready for some science-speak -- this gets close to what I do for a living.)  There's quite a good topical article in here waiting to be written; the fact that the existing text isn't that article is a reason to improve it, not delete it. -- [[User:Bill-on-the-Hill|Bill-on-the-Hill]] 17:15, 18 September 2006 (EDT)
 
::I'm very much in favor of keeping it.  Seeing them is most definitely ''not'' as simple as getting "anywhere above a certain latitude."  (I'll be glad to expand on this, but be ready for some science-speak -- this gets close to what I do for a living.)  There's quite a good topical article in here waiting to be written; the fact that the existing text isn't that article is a reason to improve it, not delete it. -- [[User:Bill-on-the-Hill|Bill-on-the-Hill]] 17:15, 18 September 2006 (EDT)
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* <strike>Delete.  This one doesn't quite fit the criteria of [[Wikitravel:What is an article?]].  An argument could be made for an article about places to see the northern lights, but that's pretty much anywhere above a certain latitude.  Comments from others are appreciated.</strike> -- [[User:Wrh2|Ryan]] 14:03, 18 September 2006 (EDT)
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** Before keeping this one, just to be clear, [[Volcanoes]] is about safety when ''visiting'' volcanoes and includes a list of volcanoes around the world.  [[Waterfalls]] includes a list of notable waterfalls.  If we're going to keep an article about the Northern Lights it needs to be a travel article, and not just an encyclopedia article about the phenomena.  I'm happy to keep this article, but I think we need to be clear about how this could become a travel article. -- [[User:Wrh2|Ryan]] 22:50, 18 September 2006 (EDT)
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** It looks like there may be a consensus to keep, and this article is being turned into a travel article so I'll rescind my earlier vote. -- [[User:Wrh2|Ryan]] 19:58, 21 September 2006 (EDT)
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***I have some specific ideas for that; will work on an outline this evening. -- [[User:Bill-on-the-Hill|Bill-on-the-Hill]] 10:05, 19 September 2006 (EDT)
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**'''Keep'''.  In fact it is ''not'' the case that "anywhere above a certain latitude" is good for the northern lights (due to the offset of the magnetic North Pole from the geographical one, if you want to get technical), and this counterintuitive statement is exactly the kind of thing that one can build a topical article around.  It's every bit as valid as [[Volcanoes]], [[Waterfalls]], [[Hot springs]], which have been developed into [[Travel topics]] that we're proud to have here; no reason why this one can't be too. -- [[User:Bill-on-the-Hill|Bill-on-the-Hill]] 16:49, 18 September 2006 (EDT)
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* Keep. We have a "[[Soccer in Europe]]" travel topic, why not "Aurora Borealis in the Northern Hemisphere" (so to speak)? Likewise [[Volcanoes]], [[Waterfalls]], etc. In any case, appropriate topic/content, and the intention of the "exceptions" guidelines appears to be to permit articles on distant, large, complex events (again, so to speak) which cannot be incorporated into any single you-can-sleep-here guide. ~ [[User:203.144.143.7|203.144.143.7]] 15:23, 18 September 2006 (EDT)
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* Keep. [[User:Pashley|Pashley]] 20:10, 18 September 2006 (EDT)
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* To be honest i saw articles about [[Formula One]] and various articles about [[Scuba diving]], and decided to try to make a rough outline for an article about the [[Northern Lights]], feel free to delete it if it doesn't fit in. I was well aware that the article would be something less than a travel guide when first created and agree it needs more input into places that organise "northern lights tours" etc. However: if someone is interested in traveling to see the northern lights it seems impractical to mention it in individual country articles. Like i said, feel free to delete if it doesn't fit in. If you decide to keep it it would be nice to have at least one picture of the lights and a map showing the northern lights oval (as mentioned above) in relation to the northern hemisphere.

Latest revision as of 18:11, 22 September 2006

Travel article?[edit]

Do we need a separate article for this? It doesn't really fit into Wikitravel:What is an article? - you could write about places to go to see the northern lights, but that's pretty much anywhere above a certain latitude. -- Ryan 12:41, 18 September 2006 (EDT)

I don't think this is necessary either. Jpatokal 13:55, 18 September 2006 (EDT)
I'm very much in favor of keeping it. Seeing them is most definitely not as simple as getting "anywhere above a certain latitude." (I'll be glad to expand on this, but be ready for some science-speak -- this gets close to what I do for a living.) There's quite a good topical article in here waiting to be written; the fact that the existing text isn't that article is a reason to improve it, not delete it. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 17:15, 18 September 2006 (EDT)

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  • Delete. This one doesn't quite fit the criteria of Wikitravel:What is an article?. An argument could be made for an article about places to see the northern lights, but that's pretty much anywhere above a certain latitude. Comments from others are appreciated. -- Ryan 14:03, 18 September 2006 (EDT)
    • Before keeping this one, just to be clear, Volcanoes is about safety when visiting volcanoes and includes a list of volcanoes around the world. Waterfalls includes a list of notable waterfalls. If we're going to keep an article about the Northern Lights it needs to be a travel article, and not just an encyclopedia article about the phenomena. I'm happy to keep this article, but I think we need to be clear about how this could become a travel article. -- Ryan 22:50, 18 September 2006 (EDT)
    • It looks like there may be a consensus to keep, and this article is being turned into a travel article so I'll rescind my earlier vote. -- Ryan 19:58, 21 September 2006 (EDT)
      • I have some specific ideas for that; will work on an outline this evening. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 10:05, 19 September 2006 (EDT)
    • Keep. In fact it is not the case that "anywhere above a certain latitude" is good for the northern lights (due to the offset of the magnetic North Pole from the geographical one, if you want to get technical), and this counterintuitive statement is exactly the kind of thing that one can build a topical article around. It's every bit as valid as Volcanoes, Waterfalls, Hot springs, which have been developed into Travel topics that we're proud to have here; no reason why this one can't be too. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 16:49, 18 September 2006 (EDT)
  • Keep. We have a "Soccer in Europe" travel topic, why not "Aurora Borealis in the Northern Hemisphere" (so to speak)? Likewise Volcanoes, Waterfalls, etc. In any case, appropriate topic/content, and the intention of the "exceptions" guidelines appears to be to permit articles on distant, large, complex events (again, so to speak) which cannot be incorporated into any single you-can-sleep-here guide. ~ 203.144.143.7 15:23, 18 September 2006 (EDT)
  • Keep. Pashley 20:10, 18 September 2006 (EDT)
  • To be honest i saw articles about Formula One and various articles about Scuba diving, and decided to try to make a rough outline for an article about the Northern Lights, feel free to delete it if it doesn't fit in. I was well aware that the article would be something less than a travel guide when first created and agree it needs more input into places that organise "northern lights tours" etc. However: if someone is interested in traveling to see the northern lights it seems impractical to mention it in individual country articles. Like i said, feel free to delete if it doesn't fit in. If you decide to keep it it would be nice to have at least one picture of the lights and a map showing the northern lights oval (as mentioned above) in relation to the northern hemisphere.

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