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::I like them on front page, they are in a sorta grey area where yes, they are part of NA, but also thought of as their own entities, and I think we're putting the traveler first by giving them quick access to those regions on the main page &ndash; [[User:Cacahuate|<font color="green">cacahuate</font>]]  <sup><small>[[User talk:Cacahuate|<font color="blue">talk</font>]]</small></sup> 17:15, 4 October 2008 (EDT)
 
::I like them on front page, they are in a sorta grey area where yes, they are part of NA, but also thought of as their own entities, and I think we're putting the traveler first by giving them quick access to those regions on the main page &ndash; [[User:Cacahuate|<font color="green">cacahuate</font>]]  <sup><small>[[User talk:Cacahuate|<font color="blue">talk</font>]]</small></sup> 17:15, 4 October 2008 (EDT)
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::I agree with Sertmann here, as now the list is awfully long and hard to navigate. The map doesn't show the countries, so I think it'd be best to have a list like this:
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'''Regions'''
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* [[Canada]]
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* [[Caribbean]]
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* [[Central America]]
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* [[Mexico]]
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* [[United States of America]]
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'''Territories'''
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* [[Greenland]]
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* [[Bermuda]]
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* [[Saint-Pierre and Miquelon]]
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[[User:Globe-trotter|Globe-trotter]] 11:53, 7 September 2009 (EDT)
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:I support that proposal.  --[[User:Peterfitzgerald|Peter]] <small><sup>[[User_talk:Peterfitzgerald|Talk]]</sup></small> 15:10, 7 September 2009 (EDT)
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== Other Destinations ==
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I think [[Walt Disney World|the world's most popular resort destination]] ought to be listed under Other Destinations.  I would suggest it replace one of the two Mayan archeological sites, although [[Corcovado National Park]] or [[Viñales]] might be candidates as well.  [[User:LtPowers|LtPowers]] 15:36, 28 June 2010 (EDT)
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:Ek. eww  :)  Already heavy on US destinations.... and I would hate to think that's really one of the top 9 highlights of the ginormous continent of North America.... but maybe that's just me  :) &ndash; [[User:Cacahuate|<font color="green">cacahuate</font>]]  <sup><small>[[User talk:Cacahuate|<font color="blue">talk</font>]]</small></sup> 21:19, 28 June 2010 (EDT)
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::17 million people went through the Magic Kingdom (''just'' the Magic Kingdom) turnstiles in 2007.  That's triple the number of people who visit the Grand Canyon each year, twice as many people as visit the Louvre each year, almost twice as many as visit Acapulco, and more people than even ''live'' in the entire nation of Cuba.  It is indisputably an enormous attraction for travelers; a significant portion of people reading this guide will be planning on visiting Walt Disney World.  (As for geographic distribution, the list has only two-and-a-half U.S. destinations on it currently, which is not unreasonable for a country of the U.S.'s size.)  Remeber, the Other Destinations list is intended to provide quick links to the traveler's most likely destinations, ''not'' to highlight things in which we think they ''ought'' to be interested.  [[User:LtPowers|LtPowers]] 09:35, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
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Anyone else have any input?  [[User:LtPowers|LtPowers]] 19:09, 12 August 2010 (EDT)
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: I think your arguments are persuasive and that it's a sensible change. -- [[User:Wrh2|Ryan]] &bull; ([[User talk:Wrh2|talk]]) &bull; 19:20, 12 August 2010 (EDT)
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::I'm leading toward [[Tikal]] or [[Viñales]] as the odd one out, but I've never been to any of 'em so I welcome additional input.  [[User:LtPowers|LtPowers]] 10:29, 14 August 2010 (EDT)
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:::Tikal is quite important, while Viñales is definitely not, but it is the sole OD for the Caribbean in the list. I'd actually remove one of the U.S. destination, since there are three, and +WDW would make four. Yellowstone seems the clear choice, I'd say.  --[[User:Peterfitzgerald|Peter]] <small><sup>[[User_talk:Peterfitzgerald|Talk]]</sup></small> 21:50, 14 August 2010 (EDT)
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::::Niagara Falls counts for both U.S. and Canada, let's be fair.  =)  Yellowstone was the first national park in the world, and still the most famous.  It seems more important to me than Corcovado, Viñales, or even Banff as parks go.  I don't think three and a half destinations for a country that dominates the region as much as the U.S. does is unreasonable.  [[User:LtPowers|LtPowers]] 22:10, 14 August 2010 (EDT)
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I'm still not sure how to reconcile a desire not to see the U.S. over-represented with the desire to include a traveler's most likely destinations.  The Grand Canyon and Niagara Falls (which is also Canadian) are two incomparable natural wonders of the world.  WDW is the most-visited theme park resort in the world.  Yellowstone is the most well-known national park in the world, and certainly seems more important than Corcovado or Viñales as national parks go.  I also don't like having ''two'' Mayan ruins on the list; do we really need both Chichen Itza ''and'' Tikal?  [[User:LtPowers|LtPowers]] 08:04, 1 November 2010 (EDT)
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== List all countries? ==
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While I appreciate the impulse behind [http://wikitravel.org/wiki/en/index.php?title=North_America&diff=next&oldid=1515068 this edit], I think it's a bit much.  It produces a wall of text that most eyes will just skip over.  [[User:LtPowers|LtPowers]] 08:50, 8 August 2010 (EDT)
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:I agree. We used to list all the countries and dependencies, but decided in [[#Central America and Caribbean|an above thread]] to list only the parent regions, to avoid overwhelming the page with the list.  --[[User:Peterfitzgerald|Peter]] <small><sup>[[User_talk:Peterfitzgerald|Talk]]</sup></small> 16:01, 8 August 2010 (EDT)
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:: Well, the [http://wikitravel.org/wiki/en/index.php?title=North_America&oldid=1181710 list then] was different than what was attempted today.  Back then, there wasn't even a regionlist template; today's change at least made use of the regionlist parameters to display the constituent countries the way we normally do.  [[User:LtPowers|LtPowers]] 22:09, 8 August 2010 (EDT)
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== Cities ==
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Montreal should replace Vancouver. [[User:Zepppep|Zepppep]] 13:16, 7 March 2012 (EST)
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: Why?  Vancouver has always been a popular tourist destination in Canada, but especially after the 2010 Winter Olympics.  I don't think Montreal is as popular internationally (for tourism) as Vancouver.  I say this as a Torontonian, so I don't have a bias in favour of either city. [[User:londonHK|londonHK]] 16:08, 9 March 2012 (EST)
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San Francisco is also another popular North American destination worldwide. Shouldn't it be included on the list? <small>(unsigned comment by [[Special:Contributions/68.124.71.40|68.124.71.40]])</small>
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:Generally, when it comes lists of cities etc., we only include the top 9 destinations, with the remainder being listed in lower-level articles.  See [[7 2|this link]] for an explanation as to why.  Cheers, [[User:JYolkowski|JYolkowski]] 20:38, 12 September 2012 (EDT)

Revision as of 00:42, 13 September 2012

Moved Belize to Central America. It is listed that way on the main country page. Not sure why it was under Caribbean -Huckabmm 11:56, 8 August 2008 (EDT)



Is there a reason Bermuda is not listed here? I can't imagine why not... JB


Central America is frequently seen as part of the North American continent. Any objections if I include those countries here? D.D. 11:47, 19 Aug 2003 (PDT)


Am I the only person who has never heard of Panama City, Florida? Is this really a popular destination for North America as a whole? Nicksand 16:30, 9 Feb 2004 (EST)

No. --Evan 16:38, 9 Feb 2004 (EST)
Yes. It's a very popular spring break place, on the level of south padre island. Jordanmills 20:37, 23 April 2006 (EDT)


Hello. I have two weeks freetime and i want to visit Mexico country for holidays. Would you recommend me good places and hotels;;Really thank you.. they should add the flag

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Central America and Caribbean

Why are the countries of these two regions listed here, when they are also listed as separate continents (regions) on the front page? Sertmann 13:43, 4 October 2008 (EDT)

It seems pretty clear that Central America and the Caribbean are part of North America, which is why they are listed on this page - if we left Mexico or Cuba out of North America that would seem fairly odd. I can't answer why those two regions are listed separately on the Main Page, although I suspect it's just always been that way and no one either felt a need to change it. -- Ryan • (talk) • 16:06, 4 October 2008 (EDT)
I like them on front page, they are in a sorta grey area where yes, they are part of NA, but also thought of as their own entities, and I think we're putting the traveler first by giving them quick access to those regions on the main page – cacahuate talk 17:15, 4 October 2008 (EDT)
I agree with Sertmann here, as now the list is awfully long and hard to navigate. The map doesn't show the countries, so I think it'd be best to have a list like this:

Regions

Territories

Globe-trotter 11:53, 7 September 2009 (EDT)

I support that proposal. --Peter Talk 15:10, 7 September 2009 (EDT)

Other Destinations

I think the world's most popular resort destination ought to be listed under Other Destinations. I would suggest it replace one of the two Mayan archeological sites, although Corcovado National Park or Viñales might be candidates as well. LtPowers 15:36, 28 June 2010 (EDT)

Ek. eww  :) Already heavy on US destinations.... and I would hate to think that's really one of the top 9 highlights of the ginormous continent of North America.... but maybe that's just me  :) – cacahuate talk 21:19, 28 June 2010 (EDT)
17 million people went through the Magic Kingdom (just the Magic Kingdom) turnstiles in 2007. That's triple the number of people who visit the Grand Canyon each year, twice as many people as visit the Louvre each year, almost twice as many as visit Acapulco, and more people than even live in the entire nation of Cuba. It is indisputably an enormous attraction for travelers; a significant portion of people reading this guide will be planning on visiting Walt Disney World. (As for geographic distribution, the list has only two-and-a-half U.S. destinations on it currently, which is not unreasonable for a country of the U.S.'s size.) Remeber, the Other Destinations list is intended to provide quick links to the traveler's most likely destinations, not to highlight things in which we think they ought to be interested. LtPowers 09:35, 29 June 2010 (EDT)

Anyone else have any input? LtPowers 19:09, 12 August 2010 (EDT)

I think your arguments are persuasive and that it's a sensible change. -- Ryan • (talk) • 19:20, 12 August 2010 (EDT)
I'm leading toward Tikal or Viñales as the odd one out, but I've never been to any of 'em so I welcome additional input. LtPowers 10:29, 14 August 2010 (EDT)
Tikal is quite important, while Viñales is definitely not, but it is the sole OD for the Caribbean in the list. I'd actually remove one of the U.S. destination, since there are three, and +WDW would make four. Yellowstone seems the clear choice, I'd say. --Peter Talk 21:50, 14 August 2010 (EDT)
Niagara Falls counts for both U.S. and Canada, let's be fair. =) Yellowstone was the first national park in the world, and still the most famous. It seems more important to me than Corcovado, Viñales, or even Banff as parks go. I don't think three and a half destinations for a country that dominates the region as much as the U.S. does is unreasonable. LtPowers 22:10, 14 August 2010 (EDT)

I'm still not sure how to reconcile a desire not to see the U.S. over-represented with the desire to include a traveler's most likely destinations. The Grand Canyon and Niagara Falls (which is also Canadian) are two incomparable natural wonders of the world. WDW is the most-visited theme park resort in the world. Yellowstone is the most well-known national park in the world, and certainly seems more important than Corcovado or Viñales as national parks go. I also don't like having two Mayan ruins on the list; do we really need both Chichen Itza and Tikal? LtPowers 08:04, 1 November 2010 (EDT)

List all countries?

While I appreciate the impulse behind this edit, I think it's a bit much. It produces a wall of text that most eyes will just skip over. LtPowers 08:50, 8 August 2010 (EDT)

I agree. We used to list all the countries and dependencies, but decided in an above thread to list only the parent regions, to avoid overwhelming the page with the list. --Peter Talk 16:01, 8 August 2010 (EDT)
Well, the list then was different than what was attempted today. Back then, there wasn't even a regionlist template; today's change at least made use of the regionlist parameters to display the constituent countries the way we normally do. LtPowers 22:09, 8 August 2010 (EDT)

Cities

Montreal should replace Vancouver. Zepppep 13:16, 7 March 2012 (EST)

Why? Vancouver has always been a popular tourist destination in Canada, but especially after the 2010 Winter Olympics. I don't think Montreal is as popular internationally (for tourism) as Vancouver. I say this as a Torontonian, so I don't have a bias in favour of either city. londonHK 16:08, 9 March 2012 (EST)

San Francisco is also another popular North American destination worldwide. Shouldn't it be included on the list? (unsigned comment by 68.124.71.40)

Generally, when it comes lists of cities etc., we only include the top 9 destinations, with the remainder being listed in lower-level articles. See this link for an explanation as to why. Cheers, JYolkowski 20:38, 12 September 2012 (EDT)

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