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== Homosexuality and Stay Safe ==
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{{infobox|Law Changed|As of March 2008, Homosexuality is legal in Nicaragua.  This discussion predated the change in the law.}}
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"Homosexuality is illegal and is punished by up to three years in jail"
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I am not sure, if that is correct, at least in Leon there are quite some gays around and pretty open as well. -- [[User:Nicamds|Nicamds]] 15:50, 5 Aug 2005 (EDT)
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:See [[:WikiPedia:Homosexuality laws of the world]] There are many laws around the world which are routinely ignored and unenforced.  But gays needs to know what they are just in case some backwards prosecutor decides to throw the book at them.  In the Americas, the harshness of Nicaragua's homosexual laws are only exceeded by [[Guyana]] which imposes life in prison for homosexuality. -- [[User:Cjensen|Colin]] 17:01, 5 Aug 2005 (EDT)
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Homosexuality is NOT illegal.
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:Sadly, you are [[:WikiPedia:Homosexuality laws of the world|wrong]].  It may not be a law that is enforced often, but a warning is desirable in case some two-bit prosecutor decides to effect his personal notions of morality on an innocent traveller. If you are from Nicaragua, I suggest you lobby your legislator to fix this idiotic law which is the only one of it's kind in Central America. -- [[User:Cjensen|Colin]] 19:53, 21 April 2006 (EDT)
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See also [http://www.glbtq.com/social-sciences/nicaragua.html this website] which describes the situation.  The current law "Article 205" was passed in 1992 and was affirmed by the Nicaraguan Supreme Court in 1994.  Googling "Article 205" is also useful. -- [[User:Cjensen|Colin]] 20:00, 21 April 2006 (EDT)
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"Homosexuality is illegal and is punished by up to three years in jail"
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I would like to clarify this sentence. Homosexuality is Not Illegal. Nobody would go to jail for being gay or lesbian.  I strongly recommend the person who wrote this to fix this mistake. I am Nicaraguan, and I’m a straight guy.  However, I have a few gay friends in my country which are very nice friends, and let me tell you that they live happy there, without any oppression.
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:In other words, you didn't read any of the references and are uninformed.  If you want to dispute this, try doing some research and pointing to any information that supports your viewpoint.  Some of the reference I have cited ''include'' actual prosecutions. -- [[User:Cjensen|Colin]] 18:24, 28 May 2006 (EDT)
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==Stay safe in Get around==
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I reverted the edits on anon user 190.53.15.171, as I could not confirm if it was true and it should be put in the Stay safe section. Also, some information was removed that appeared to be valuable. If someone can speak to the validity of the edits please add back any appropriate information. -- [[User:Xltel|Tom Holland (xltel)]] 10:46, 17 December 2006 (EST)
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== Tourism ==
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Can some knowledgeable people please fix the bias in this article? It seems to be written by a fine Nicaraguan patriot, e.g. "Tourists are comming here for the beauty and richness this country has to offer." Thanks. 10:11, 18 July 2009 (GMT)
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==Regions==
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[[Image:Nicaragua admin divisions map.png|thumb|300px|Nicaragua admin divisions]]
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We are currently using the fifteen departments as Nicaragua's [[Wikitravel:Geographical hierarchy|regions breakdown]], but I think we would be better served in using a division that is more travel oriented, rather than political, and that has a more digestible number of regions, say [[7+2|5&ndash;9]]. I can suggest a few regions: [[Carribean Nicaragua]] (the two big Atlantic departments), [[Lake Nicaragua Region]] (the 5 departments surrounding the lake), [[Northern Nicaragua]] (inland northern departments), etc.  --[[User:Peterfitzgerald|Peter]] <small><sup>[[User_talk:Peterfitzgerald|Talk]]</sup></small> 16:38, 20 October 2009 (EDT)
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I definitly agree, some departments mostly have only the city of the same name, i m gonna look into the possible regroupments..[[User:Rafcha|Rafcha]] 16:43, 20 October 2009 (EDT)
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The [[Carribean Nicaragua]] region with the two big Atlantic departments is a very logical choice, a [[Northern Highlands]] region could include all theses : Nueva Segovia, Jinotega, Madriz, Esteli and Matagalpa.
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I think we could group Chinandega and Leon in a northern pacific coast region. Name ?
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Managua, Granada and Carazo form a logical travel division as it s easy to do daytrips within these 3 departments.
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Rivas could be included in a lake Nicaragua region but it s as orientated towards the sea than the lake.. it could also be joined with the 3 above (Managua, Granada and Carazo) to form a south pacific region but that would leave only the three eastern side departments of(Boaco, Chontales and Rio San Juan) for the [[Lake Nicaragua Region]] so maybe it would need another name.. [[User:Rafcha|Rafcha]] 16:59, 20 October 2009 (EDT)
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After some more thoughts that s how i think we could do it :
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* [[Carribean Nicaragua]] : Atlantico Norte, Atlantico Sur
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* North Pacific : Leon, Chinandega
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* [[Northern Nicaragua Highlands]] : Esteli, Jinotega, Madriz, Matagalpa, Nueva Segovia
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* South Pacific : Carazo, Granada, Rivas
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* Capital and around : Managua, Massaya
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* Eastern Lake Side : Boaco, Chontales, Rio San Juan
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Any idea for definitive region names??
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[[User:Rafcha|Rafcha]] 17:20, 20 October 2009 (EDT)
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:I'd suggest:
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:#[[Northern Pacific Coast (Nicaragua)]] and [[Southern Pacific Coast (Nicaragua)]],
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:#[[Managua Area]], [[Managua Region]], [[Capital Region (Nicaragua)]], or something else along those lines,
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:#Eastern Lake Side -- no idea. I'll think about this one more.  --[[User:Peterfitzgerald|Peter]] <small><sup>[[User_talk:Peterfitzgerald|Talk]]</sup></small> 17:24, 20 October 2009 (EDT)
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:::The Eastern Lake Side article is too much a leftover region for it to be coherent, I think, especially since people don't really visit Lake Nicaragua from the east. How about putting Río San Juan into the [[Caribbean Nicaragua]] article, and then Boaco and Chontales into the [[Northern Nicaragua Highlands]]?  --[[User:Peterfitzgerald|Peter]] <small><sup>[[User_talk:Peterfitzgerald|Talk]]</sup></small> 17:30, 20 October 2009 (EDT)
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::::I think we could name the Eastern lake side Rio San Juan Region or something along theses lines. I think it s more coherent to keep them together as people going to Rio San Juan will have to travel through Boaco and Chotales. The atlantic region can only be reached by boat and we can t really classify Boaco and Chotales as highlands as they contain some off the beaten path islands on the lake.[[User:Rafcha|Rafcha]] 17:37, 20 October 2009 (EDT)
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:::::Sounds like a fair solution to me. If you want to organize the regions and redirect the departments to the new articles, I'll get to work on a map.  --[[User:Peterfitzgerald|Peter]] <small><sup>[[User_talk:Peterfitzgerald|Talk]]</sup></small> 17:54, 20 October 2009 (EDT)
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I ll start reorganizing all this, that s how it should look in the end :
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* [[Capital Region (Nicaragua)]] : Managua, Massaya
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* [[Carribean Nicaragua]] : Atlantico Norte, Atlantico Sur
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* [[Northern Nicaragua Highlands]] : Esteli, Jinotega, Madriz, Matagalpa, Nueva Segovia
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* [[Northern Pacific Coast (Nicaragua)]] : Leon, Chinandega
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* [[Rio San Juan Region]] : Boaco, Chontales, Rio San Juan
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* [[Southern Pacific Coast (Nicaragua)]] : Carazo, Granada, Rivas
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[[User:Rafcha|Rafcha]] 18:00, 20 October 2009 (EDT)
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: I think [[Northern Highlands (Nicaragua)]] works better, but other than that... no clue, never been south of NY on the other side of the pond. --[[User:Sertmann|Stefan (sertmann)]] <small><sup>[[User_talk:Sertmann|Talk]]</sup></small> 18:09, 20 October 2009 (EDT)
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:: I agree[[User:Rafcha|Rafcha]] 18:27, 20 October 2009 (EDT)
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::: Good work Rafcha.  There is nothing more pleasing at WT than an over-complex regional structure being sorted out so that it makes sense to visitors. Cheers. --[[User:Burmesedays|Burmesedays]] 09:50, 21 October 2009 (EDT)
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:::: Thanks ! with the map it will look good, I ll try to work on some more detailed descriptions for the regions.. What should be done with the former department articles ? redirect to the new regions ?
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:::::Yep, redirect to the regions. I'll ''try'' to knock off a map tomorrow, but no promises ;)  --[[User:Peterfitzgerald|Peter]] <small><sup>[[User_talk:Peterfitzgerald|Talk]]</sup></small> 23:07, 21 October 2009 (EDT)

Revision as of 03:11, 22 October 2009


For future reference the Wikitravel:CIA World Factbook 2002 import can be found at Talk:Nicaragua/CIA World Factbook 2002 import.


Contents

Homosexuality and Stay Safe

Law Changed
As of March 2008, Homosexuality is legal in Nicaragua. This discussion predated the change in the law.


"Homosexuality is illegal and is punished by up to three years in jail"

I am not sure, if that is correct, at least in Leon there are quite some gays around and pretty open as well. -- Nicamds 15:50, 5 Aug 2005 (EDT)

See WikiPedia:Homosexuality laws of the world There are many laws around the world which are routinely ignored and unenforced. But gays needs to know what they are just in case some backwards prosecutor decides to throw the book at them. In the Americas, the harshness of Nicaragua's homosexual laws are only exceeded by Guyana which imposes life in prison for homosexuality. -- Colin 17:01, 5 Aug 2005 (EDT)

Homosexuality is NOT illegal.

Sadly, you are wrong. It may not be a law that is enforced often, but a warning is desirable in case some two-bit prosecutor decides to effect his personal notions of morality on an innocent traveller. If you are from Nicaragua, I suggest you lobby your legislator to fix this idiotic law which is the only one of it's kind in Central America. -- Colin 19:53, 21 April 2006 (EDT)

See also this website which describes the situation. The current law "Article 205" was passed in 1992 and was affirmed by the Nicaraguan Supreme Court in 1994. Googling "Article 205" is also useful. -- Colin 20:00, 21 April 2006 (EDT)

"Homosexuality is illegal and is punished by up to three years in jail" I would like to clarify this sentence. Homosexuality is Not Illegal. Nobody would go to jail for being gay or lesbian. I strongly recommend the person who wrote this to fix this mistake. I am Nicaraguan, and I’m a straight guy. However, I have a few gay friends in my country which are very nice friends, and let me tell you that they live happy there, without any oppression.

In other words, you didn't read any of the references and are uninformed. If you want to dispute this, try doing some research and pointing to any information that supports your viewpoint. Some of the reference I have cited include actual prosecutions. -- Colin 18:24, 28 May 2006 (EDT)

Stay safe in Get around

I reverted the edits on anon user 190.53.15.171, as I could not confirm if it was true and it should be put in the Stay safe section. Also, some information was removed that appeared to be valuable. If someone can speak to the validity of the edits please add back any appropriate information. -- Tom Holland (xltel) 10:46, 17 December 2006 (EST)

Tourism

Can some knowledgeable people please fix the bias in this article? It seems to be written by a fine Nicaraguan patriot, e.g. "Tourists are comming here for the beauty and richness this country has to offer." Thanks. 10:11, 18 July 2009 (GMT)

Regions

Nicaragua admin divisions

We are currently using the fifteen departments as Nicaragua's regions breakdown, but I think we would be better served in using a division that is more travel oriented, rather than political, and that has a more digestible number of regions, say 5–9. I can suggest a few regions: Carribean Nicaragua (the two big Atlantic departments), Lake Nicaragua Region (the 5 departments surrounding the lake), Northern Nicaragua (inland northern departments), etc. --Peter Talk 16:38, 20 October 2009 (EDT)

I definitly agree, some departments mostly have only the city of the same name, i m gonna look into the possible regroupments..Rafcha 16:43, 20 October 2009 (EDT)

The Carribean Nicaragua region with the two big Atlantic departments is a very logical choice, a Northern Highlands region could include all theses : Nueva Segovia, Jinotega, Madriz, Esteli and Matagalpa.

I think we could group Chinandega and Leon in a northern pacific coast region. Name ?

Managua, Granada and Carazo form a logical travel division as it s easy to do daytrips within these 3 departments.

Rivas could be included in a lake Nicaragua region but it s as orientated towards the sea than the lake.. it could also be joined with the 3 above (Managua, Granada and Carazo) to form a south pacific region but that would leave only the three eastern side departments of(Boaco, Chontales and Rio San Juan) for the Lake Nicaragua Region so maybe it would need another name.. Rafcha 16:59, 20 October 2009 (EDT)

After some more thoughts that s how i think we could do it :

  • Carribean Nicaragua : Atlantico Norte, Atlantico Sur
  • North Pacific : Leon, Chinandega
  • Northern Nicaragua Highlands : Esteli, Jinotega, Madriz, Matagalpa, Nueva Segovia
  • South Pacific : Carazo, Granada, Rivas
  • Capital and around : Managua, Massaya
  • Eastern Lake Side : Boaco, Chontales, Rio San Juan

Any idea for definitive region names?? Rafcha 17:20, 20 October 2009 (EDT)

I'd suggest:
  1. Northern Pacific Coast (Nicaragua) and Southern Pacific Coast (Nicaragua),
  2. Managua Area, Managua Region, Capital Region (Nicaragua), or something else along those lines,
  3. Eastern Lake Side -- no idea. I'll think about this one more. --Peter Talk 17:24, 20 October 2009 (EDT)
The Eastern Lake Side article is too much a leftover region for it to be coherent, I think, especially since people don't really visit Lake Nicaragua from the east. How about putting Río San Juan into the Caribbean Nicaragua article, and then Boaco and Chontales into the Northern Nicaragua Highlands? --Peter Talk 17:30, 20 October 2009 (EDT)
I think we could name the Eastern lake side Rio San Juan Region or something along theses lines. I think it s more coherent to keep them together as people going to Rio San Juan will have to travel through Boaco and Chotales. The atlantic region can only be reached by boat and we can t really classify Boaco and Chotales as highlands as they contain some off the beaten path islands on the lake.Rafcha 17:37, 20 October 2009 (EDT)
Sounds like a fair solution to me. If you want to organize the regions and redirect the departments to the new articles, I'll get to work on a map. --Peter Talk 17:54, 20 October 2009 (EDT)

I ll start reorganizing all this, that s how it should look in the end :

Rafcha 18:00, 20 October 2009 (EDT)

I think Northern Highlands (Nicaragua) works better, but other than that... no clue, never been south of NY on the other side of the pond. --Stefan (sertmann) Talk 18:09, 20 October 2009 (EDT)
I agreeRafcha 18:27, 20 October 2009 (EDT)
Good work Rafcha. There is nothing more pleasing at WT than an over-complex regional structure being sorted out so that it makes sense to visitors. Cheers. --Burmesedays 09:50, 21 October 2009 (EDT)
Thanks ! with the map it will look good, I ll try to work on some more detailed descriptions for the regions.. What should be done with the former department articles ? redirect to the new regions ?
Yep, redirect to the regions. I'll try to knock off a map tomorrow, but no promises ;) --Peter Talk 23:07, 21 October 2009 (EDT)

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