According to http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/your_money/381351.stm Munich is not in the 10 most expensive cities of the world. -- Nils 05:12, 6 Apr 2004 (EDT)
User:Hhanke added the following:
I looked at the site and it appears to be either a Cult or some kind of Anarchic Organization which has been accused (according to the likatien website) of being a place where child sexual abuse occurs. Unless someone who actually speaks German can vouch for this community, I'm deeply uncomfortable with leaving this in the main article. -- Colin 18:20, 24 Sep 2004 (EDT)
Well, I have done some research on the above "likatien" community. It seems to be a kind of ideological, not neccessarily religious group of totaly about 160 persons. They call themselves a "tribe", and their name referes on an old Germanic tribe that lived in the area around Füssen, a town in the South of Germany where the center of the "tribe" is located. As they tell on their web site, they feel spiritualy closely related to the Hopy indians. The "tribe" is hierarchicaly organized with a probabely guru-like leader. Many of the "liktians" work in companies owned by the tribe getting some pocket-money for their own. Some years ago, the tribe tried to get some political influence by lancing members into different political parties. Resuming, we can say, the Likatian Tribe" for sure is controversial. I would recomment not to advertise it. -- Hansm 09:48, 2004 Sep 25 (EDT)
Anyhow, I had a look at their homepage, and lo and behold: there's even a page dealing with the mudslinging: one of the topics being that of the case of sex with kids. Appaerently it comes back to one uninvited long-term visitor who did something illegal with a kid(and as far as my german goes: non-penetrating!). It was discovered and he got a jail sentence for it. As most other societies the tribe makes it clear that they in no way allow sex with children...
As an experience 'communitarian' then I'm able to add that all our places would be a lot better and easier if they only attracted complete mature and harmonic visitors, however it's impossible to filter well enough...you may even be the next to come!??!?!
So there you go...Basically what this topic seem to be doing is to join the witch hunt against everyone who's not part of the conform consumer society...but don't worry...we're used to it and hard skinned ;o)..as long as you don't send in the Marines...(to get our bio-gas!)
-And if anyone of you are serious about travelling and learning how to help make the planet a better palce, then please czech out www.tsolife.org Peace and Love, Max -www.permalot.org
Just wanted to add further info on public transportation because I noticed that the article is not completely correct. For example, it is, afaik unnecessary to spend 8 Euros for traveling between the airport and the central station. Link On this website theres also a very useful tool which shows the best way to get to your destination after you enter your current location. 21:46, 2004 Nov 10
I added the Dachau Concentration camp under "see," because its a memorial and I thougt it would fit better under there with the Museums, Galleries, and Memorails sub section. Anyone not agree with that? It is a Gedenkstaette (Memorial). Sapphire 17:05, 16 Apr 2005 (EDT)
My impression is that this belongs exclusively in the 'Get Out' and certainly doesn't merit it's present double inclusion (See and Tours) on theís page! (Not to mention that it's one of the dreariest attractions I've ever seen..) Jimbomu 15:56, 29 Jan 2009 (CET)
Since Munich is known for being expensive, does anyone think we need to have that in under the Sleep section. Kingjeff 12:08, 3 Feb 2006 (EST)
there are definitly enough hostel type accomodations in Munich 184.108.40.206
This should be ironic, shouldn't it? As I am not a native speaker it is hard to understand the intention of this statement. As I am a local, I am not concerned about it, but if I was from e.g. France I would be... --Flip666 09:53, 7 April 2006 (EDT)
What does all this mean? I've been to places known to be pretty much more "unsafe" than Munich and I never met anyone telling me a part of the city is for residents only. Neither have I been to a safe bar or pub with sudden "change of scene" to unsafe.
Please consider doing something about this section, or at least describe a bit more so it becomes understandable. Thank you.
I started an article about Bavarian Beer. Because I am a beginner to wikitravel I don't want to integrate it in the main article yet. I am also not sure if it belongs to the main article. For now it is more about Munich beer... What do you think? --Flip666 16:52, 7 April 2006 (EDT)
I changed the "Clubs and Discos"-Headline back to its original state. I am not sure about the definition of these words in the English language, but in German a disco usually is big (>1000 people), a club is smaller, maybe even a bigger bar with a dancefloor. So there are many discos in this list, but almost no bars. Anyway, if you decide to change the headline please change it in the district articles, too! --Flip666 07:16, 9 April 2006 (EDT)
Which district does the Wiesn belong to? Sapphire 16:24, 14 April 2006 (EDT)
In the past years, I (a local) met several travellers asking people whether he/she's a "local". Please remember, that using this word for the inhabitants is common when talking about, but calling someone a local lacks any form of political correctness, respect and politeness. On my own travels I only heard questions whether he/she was for example hungarian, american, from Ecuador, from London, from Bangalore, indigenous - but never just local. I don't know why this is mostly forgotten by tourists here, but maybe you could add a section or at least a hint about basic social rules. Thanks a lot.
I was formatting the following listing according to our manual of style but it really seems to be more about why not to visit this attraction. I'd say that it falls under Wikitravel:Avoid negative reviews, but there is an exception for something that is otherwise heavily advertised as this seems to be. Anyone want to take a stab at rewording it to be both fair and helpful to travellers? Majnoona 14:04, 3 July 2006 (EDT)
But there is not really a lot of sea life to be seen. Nevertheless the light-work and aquariums are strikingly magnificent and make up for the lack of a good variety in sea-life, which one might expect. In fact, there are just a few sharks and no fish that can’t be found at a much cheaper place. Practically it’s more of a rip off.
I have yet to visit this attraction but have heard only similar reviews from several fellow Munich inhabitants.. jimbomu
Just look at the construction price cant be to much - yes sea life are some fishes to walk through thats it, its not worth the money in my eyes. ~~
Horrible experience - first day in Munich!
Before we come to Munich, everyone told us the Muechener are very nice people. That's why we decide to come here for our family holiday all the way from Asia. Our first stops were Vienna and Salzburg. We saved Munich as our last stop because it is the destination we most look forward to.
We rented an apartment called the Hubmann in Munich South (Fritz-Lange Strasse 6). When we arrived, we were greeted by the owner Frau Hubmann in the most horrible manner. Even though we have already told her we are bringing our 18 months old baby along while we booked through the internet, it was apparent that she has absolutely no tolerance for young children. (She could have told us kids are not welcome and we would look elsewhere). She told me that I have to control the baby so he will not cry or make noises. He is not allowed to touch anything in the apartment such as the TV and the alarm clock on the bedside table. When my son walked around the apartment, she was watching his every move with disgust. And he touched the alarm clock, she yelled at him. He is an 18 month old toddler and of course would not take orders as such. And all this happened while my husband was getting the lugguage from the car.
When we decided it would not work for us to stay there for 5 days, we told her we would move out the next day. She became hysterical and started screaming at us in German. All the rude things she said about us being Chinese and about our baby (thinking that we cannot understand her German) She said we had to leave the apartment immediately. Even though we put in a deposit of 30% of the whole charge, we thought it was not worthwhile to argue with her and we started to pack up to leave. When my husband tried to help our baby get dressed again for the cold and raining weather outside, Mrs Hubmann told my husband to get the baby off the bed. My husband said he will as soon as he helped the baby wear his pants. Mrs Hubmann became hysterical again and grabbed my baby's leg and pulled him off the bed! Our baby was so scared he has never been roughed by someone like that.
All that happened within 30 minutes in the apartment. We ended up checking in the Hilton where we know for sure we will have some peace.
It is unfortunate that the first Muenchener I have ever met is like that, totally racist and unfriendly.
2007 so remove it 220.127.116.11
get out section
Ill remove Prague, thats definitly to far away for a Munich get out section. Just think about how much else should be added if such a distance is ok Vienna, Bern, Stuttgart, Bratislava, Frankfurt, Venice, Milano...... just to name the bigger cities.
Wow guys, great article here, good work on this. It does lack some good maps though. I'm pretty familiar with the area, I think I'll give it a crack in the next few days (at least starting with city center). Just wanted to leave a note to see if anyone else was also working on this. hokiesvt 12:30, 25 March 2009 (EDT)
Wrong line listed?
Andechs Monastery— If you miss the Oktoberfest, it is worth travelling to the holy mountain of Andechs. It's a monastery up a hill from the Ammersee. Take the S8 from Munich to Herrsching and then either hike up the hill or take the bus.
I was doing some research for my upcoming trip - they are listing the S8 but this source: http://www.toytowngermany.com/munich/munich_ubahn_plan.jpg (an ubahn map) shows it is the S5.
Which is correct?Logan9a 01:30, 11 January 2011 (EST)
"If you want to get to know the real Munich then don't miss to visit the Donisl which is on the Marienplatz. It's not as famous as the Hofbräuhaus but it's a real insider tip."
Went there last week when I was visiting Munich, and I cannot agree. It is indeed centrally located, has cheap prices and the service is fast even at the busiest dinner time but the food didn't really live up to the expectations. The food had probably been waiting for us all the day and was quickly heated in a microwave, my Krustenschweinsbraten seemed to be made out of leftovers and one of us got a used napkin. I've been to Germany tens of times and the food has always been excellent everywhere - this is something one could expect in those destinations where the menus are written in twenty languages...
Ypsilon 10:18, 24 March 2011 (EDT)
Donisl is known in Munich as a tourist trap. The insider tip would be not to go there!
It would be helpful to find at this place also some information about the airport in Memmingen which is marketed by Ryanair as Muncih west. Also I would be happy to find some information about the transferbuses from Memmingen airport to Munich. Thx -18.104.22.168 10:37, 25 April 2011 (EDT)
Public Transportation Map
The Munich public transportation map in this article is outdated. The S-Bahn lines have been renumbered and changed. If someone refers to this map, he or she is likely to end up at a completely wrong destination. Hence, I'd recommend to remove it.
The latest maps are available on http://www.mvv-muenchen.de/ and I tried to upload them. However, someone obviously believed that there are copyright issues (not sure how there can be copyright issues with plans which are hanging everywhere throughout Munich and are distributed for free in hardcopy form, especially since the old plan issued by the same city-owned entity was posted, but I won't argue with that). AlexE 06:47, 27 November 2011 (EST)
And maps again
Hey! I noticed that the Munich articles and (besides Munich/City center) lack maps. In the next few days I would go forward and draw a city region map and some Munich district maps. However, there should be a decision on how to segment the city first, as the official districts don't necessarily make any sense for a visitor (or a local for that matter). To separate the historic center (area within the Altstadtring) is good as it is. To combine Schwabing, Maxvorstadt and Englischer Garten within Schwabing in my oppinion is ok as well, as most people (locals as well as visitors) are refering to the whole area as Schwabing anyway. A seperate article for the Olympic area/Olympiagelände is ok too I guess. But where to go from there? In my oppinion the following partition would make sense from a travellers perspective:
If there are no objections I would start to draw the maps in the next days. Please let me know.
Tbp386 10:41, 14 December 2012 (EST)
I think this would be a very valuable addition to the Munich article as well as the articles for Munich districts. The split you suggested is generally OK except for Lehel being added to City South. IMHO it should be combined with Altstadt in the city center article. I also would consider splitting Maxvorstadt from Schwabing: Firstly, I strongly disagree that Munich residents refer to Maxvorstadt as Schwabing. Secondly, Maxvorstadt and Schwabing both have high numbers of points of interest for tourists and visitors, e.g. Maxvorstadt has the university districts (TUM and LMU) and the huge museum district and has generally a more student culture feel to it whereas Schwabing is more of a Bohème area. I think it would be worth to keep these areas apart rather than cramping all of it into a single article. I'd rather combine some of the outskirts like West and South-West since these are mainly reseidential areas with only a handful of attractions and few visitors will explore them. --AlexE 16:21, 6 January 2013 (EST)