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Could someone confirm (and include in the article under "Get In / By Car" section) whether you need a Carnet de Passage in order to bring your car into Morocco? I was told by my local automobile association that I need one, but on wikipedia Morocco isn't even listed among the countries where it is helpful to have one.
 
Could someone confirm (and include in the article under "Get In / By Car" section) whether you need a Carnet de Passage in order to bring your car into Morocco? I was told by my local automobile association that I need one, but on wikipedia Morocco isn't even listed among the countries where it is helpful to have one.
 
Also, I do feel that it is a rather important information to have if you're planning on entering Morocco by car.
 
Also, I do feel that it is a rather important information to have if you're planning on entering Morocco by car.
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I drove my spanish BMW to Morocco in 2005 without problems. I think you only need to show the special paper in case anythings happens, but I had no use for it. However, on the ferry I had to fill in a paper with details of the car that was handed to an officer at the arrival and I got one copy that MUST be shown upon return. Doing this carefully, no problem at all, excellent roads. Fun driving there, but the police love to use radars to check speeds, so keep speed exactly... it costed 400 DIRHAMS for speeding 120 km/h on a 80 km/h road, but I always got the money back after talking to them and apologizing nicely and really showing pacience. It can take some time, but they love tourists so if you behave decently, there is nothing to be afraid of apart from loosing some 30 minutes of time and waiting in the sun.
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I traveled another time at winter, this time the paper was to be filled in at arrival, park your car in the queue for foreign cars and go out and ask any uniformed person to give you the paper to fill in, fill it in and give it to an officer walking around there to get it stamped and once this is done you can enter the country freely.
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Do not pay any attention to people that are not uniformed since they just want to earn money for helping you. If you are lazy and it is too bad weather, it is alright but there is no guarantee they give you the correct info...
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Going out of Morocco with a European car; be prepared that they will check the car for drugs carefully both before going on the ferry and upon entering Spain. In Morocco its more visual check, but in Spain its more technological check and they talk to you to check if you look to be of the personality that might try to import drugs. It is not worth the risks. Prision penalties even for a minimal amount of drugs. They even let trained dogs search outside and inside your car. So don´t even think about it.
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After searching the web, there doesn't seem to be a consensus among other guides either.  [http://www.lonelyplanet.com/worldguide/morocco/money-and-costs Lonely Planet] lists prices in this format: '''DH 100'''. [http://www.roughguides.com/website/travel/destination/content/default.aspx?titleid=74&xid=idh219677464_0695 Rough Guides] uses this format: '''100dh'''.  A [http://travel.nytimes.com/2007/11/11/travel/11hours.html New York Times] article on Marrakech lists prices this way: '''100 dirhams'''.  
 
After searching the web, there doesn't seem to be a consensus among other guides either.  [http://www.lonelyplanet.com/worldguide/morocco/money-and-costs Lonely Planet] lists prices in this format: '''DH 100'''. [http://www.roughguides.com/website/travel/destination/content/default.aspx?titleid=74&xid=idh219677464_0695 Rough Guides] uses this format: '''100dh'''.  A [http://travel.nytimes.com/2007/11/11/travel/11hours.html New York Times] article on Marrakech lists prices this way: '''100 dirhams'''.  
 
Is there a distinction here between a currency ''symbol'' and ''abbreviation''?  If we consider "DH" to be the equivalent of a currency symbol, I suppose it should go ''before'' the price ('''DH 100''') just as the dollar symbol ($100) and pound symbol (£100) are in front of the amount.  If we consider "DH" to be an abbreviation, I suppose it takes the place of "dirhams" and thus '''100 dirhams''' becomes '''100 DH'''.  Of course, that doesn't even deal with whether we want '''DH''' or '''Dh''' or '''dh'''.
 
  
 
No matter what, we need to standardize things. [[User:Spmenic|Spmenic]] 00:34, 3 August 2008 (EDT)
 
No matter what, we need to standardize things. [[User:Spmenic|Spmenic]] 00:34, 3 August 2008 (EDT)
  
:Indeed! [[Wikitravel:Spelling]] is the current policy, which guides us to use a symbol or abbreviation when possible, placed before the amount... I think it should definitely be capitalized, which leaves us to decide between '''Dh''' and '''DH'''... I think I prefer the former, but could live with either &ndash; [[User:Cacahuate|<font color="green">cacahuate</font>]]  <sup><small>[[User talk:Cacahuate|<font color="blue">talk</font>]]</small></sup> 03:21, 3 August 2008 (EDT)
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:Indeed! <s>[[Wikitravel:Spelling]]</s> [[Wikitravel:Currency]] is the current policy, which guides us to use a symbol or abbreviation when possible, placed before the amount... I think it should definitely be capitalized, which leaves us to decide between '''Dh''' and '''DH'''... I think I prefer the former, but could live with either &ndash; [[User:Cacahuate|<font color="green">cacahuate</font>]]  <sup><small>[[User talk:Cacahuate|<font color="blue">talk</font>]]</small></sup> 03:21, 3 August 2008 (EDT)
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:: Thank you! The [[Wikitravel:Spelling]] page led me to find a great resource for Wikitravel, the Webster's Dictionary [http://www.merriam-webster.com/table/dict/money.htm money table]. If we are using ''Webster's Third New International Dictionary'' as our source for spelling, then the money table is its official list of currency symbols.  The symbol it gives for the Moroccan dirham is '''DH''' in all capitals.  So that answers one question.
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::As to whether it goes before or after, I didn't find anything on the [[Wikitravel:Spelling]] page and I'm not sure it is simply a function of American English spelling.  The Wikipedia article on [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Currency_sign currency sign] states that "When writing currency amounts the location of the sign varies by currency."  I wonder if the question should be: How are prices actually written in Morocco?  I think the Moroccan convention should take precedence here.  I'm going to look through some photos of Morocco for signs with prices and look at some official websites of the Moroccan government to see what it does.
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:::Woops, I meant [[Wikitravel:Currency]]  :)  &ndash; [[User:Cacahuate|<font color="green">cacahuate</font>]]  <sup><small>[[User talk:Cacahuate|<font color="blue">talk</font>]]</small></sup> 16:14, 3 August 2008 (EDT)
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::::Ah! Sounds good. So are decided that the standard should be '''DH 100'''? [[User:Spmenic|Spmenic]] 20:05, 3 August 2008 (EDT)
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:::::Works for me! &ndash; [[User:Cacahuate|<font color="green">cacahuate</font>]]  <sup><small>[[User talk:Cacahuate|<font color="blue">talk</font>]]</small></sup> 20:13, 3 August 2008 (EDT)
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==Staying outside cities==
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In June and July, how easy is it to get accomodation in small towns?
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I'm thinking of hiring a 4wd, with driver, and exploring the High Atlas Mountains. I'd need to park and sleep in small villages, and make day trips on foot, starting well before dawn.
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Would it be possible to rock up to a small village, such as here:
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http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=N31+27.121+W6+37.805&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&ie=UTF8&ll=31.559815,-6.630249&spn=2.335507,4.943848&z=8&iwloc=addr
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and be confident that I could get accommodation?
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I am not keen on camping, largely because it would require the transportation of too much gear on the plane. [[User:Arpitt|Arpitt]] 10:47, 8 January 2009 (EST)

Latest revision as of 15:59, 9 October 2009

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'See' section[edit]

Don't we need a 'See' section for special "must-see" attractions?

They go in the Other Destinations section. See Wikitravel:Country article template. -- Colin 15:16, 19 May 2005 (EDT)
Currently the article does not have such a section. One such destination to include would be Merzouge, from where one may embark on a camel excursion into the Sahara.[1],[2],[3] Maybe I'll write about it when I have some time. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 02:00, 24 Jun 2005 (EDT)

External links moved[edit]

Some WikiTraveler left the following external links that might be useful to researchers.

More external links: taxi and car[edit]

Few more external links on travelling by taxi and by car:

It has some ideas we would welcome here--but is it OK to just transcribe key of them in this article? Will it conform to our policy on using copyrighted content? BTW, here's who they are and why they are doing that: http://www.triotours.com/faq/about/who-is.htm. --DenisYurkin 23:37, 15 November 2006 (EST)

No, you can not use this content in WikiTravel. It is copyrighted material.

Sleep for Dh75 is expensive budget?[edit]

I wonder if the prices like this really exist anywhere in Morocco:

youth hostels in the major cities (dorm beds from around Dh 50)
budget hotels: singles from around Dh 65
slightly more expensive budget (singles from around Dh 75) and mid-range hotels sprinkled throughout ville nouvelles

From my experience, typical budget accommodation is from EUR50 to EUR80 per double, which is about x10 higher then the figures above. Can anyone support that the prices above are real and up-to-date? --DenisYurkin 15:53, 13 November 2006 (EST)

These prices seem reasonable for the major cities, though they are on the cheap side. I was travelling in Morocco in January of this year, and was paying about 100Dh a night on average - 50 at lowest, 200 at highest. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.63.0.143 (talkcontribs)

Buses are more reliable than trains?[edit]

I removed several quotations like this, as they give more questions than answers. In what sense are they more reliable? Are there more buses per day than trains per day for the same connection? Are buses better in departing/arriving in time? Do they break up more rare than trains? Please give details on this--and we'll bring the phrase back to the guide. --DenisYurkin 17:46, 22 November 2006 (EST)

Get around: by plane[edit]

We need more details here: routes available; frequency per day; give some idea on prices of domestic flights. Anyone willing to share? --DenisYurkin 16:46, 24 November 2006 (EST)


URLs for ferries[edit]

Hi, I do respect you external links policy, but it is very annoying that I only see soem prices for ferries, but no names for companies nor website addresses. The wiki would be a good place for that. Now im in the hands of google, and the travel preparation gets much more of a fuss. --145.99.202.92

It's not against the external links policy to link to ferry companies; they're considered primary sources. What we'd want to avoid are links to guides to ferries. -- Jonboy 10:33, 4 January 2007 (EST)

hamams vs rhyads as a substitute of shower[edit]

These hotels can be very basic and often lack hot water and showers, while others will charge you between Dh 5 and Dh 10 for a hot water shower. Instead, consider public ryadhs (was:hammams) that are quite alot in medina and rural areas.

Dear 90.193.228.16, hammams look much more reasonable substitute for hotel shower, as riads are actually a mid-class kind of hotel, not a public bath. Why did you change hammams to ryadhs? --DenisYurkin 05:06, 18 January 2007 (EST)

In a meanwhile, I reverted this change back to hammams--but I'm open to discuss it if someone willing to. --DenisYurkin 03:58, 19 January 2007 (EST)

Traveling During the Ramadan Holiday[edit]

Is it possible traveling during the Ramadan Holiday? our planed vacation is scheduled for the same period of the year as the Ramadan happens to be celebrated. Homer 08:49, 30 June 2007 (EDT)

Yes, traveling isn't so much the problem, eating and drinking and smoking is. Muslims fast throughout the day, and you'll find that most restaurants won't be serving food between sunrise and sunset. It's polite for you to observe the fast as well, though technically non-Muslims and those who are traveling are exempt. You'll still be able to buy food in stores, etc and eat it in your hotel room. I find Ramadan a fun (if slightly more challenging) time to travel... the atmosphere is generally festive, it's sort of the equivalent of the western Christmas time. At the end of the month is Eid ul-Fitr, so be aware that for about a week at that time many if not all things may be closed, and transportation a bit more difficult. – cacahuate talk 05:28, 1 July 2007 (EDT)

Is a Carnet de Passage needed?[edit]

Could someone confirm (and include in the article under "Get In / By Car" section) whether you need a Carnet de Passage in order to bring your car into Morocco? I was told by my local automobile association that I need one, but on wikipedia Morocco isn't even listed among the countries where it is helpful to have one. Also, I do feel that it is a rather important information to have if you're planning on entering Morocco by car.


October 2009[edit]

I drove my spanish BMW to Morocco in 2005 without problems. I think you only need to show the special paper in case anythings happens, but I had no use for it. However, on the ferry I had to fill in a paper with details of the car that was handed to an officer at the arrival and I got one copy that MUST be shown upon return. Doing this carefully, no problem at all, excellent roads. Fun driving there, but the police love to use radars to check speeds, so keep speed exactly... it costed 400 DIRHAMS for speeding 120 km/h on a 80 km/h road, but I always got the money back after talking to them and apologizing nicely and really showing pacience. It can take some time, but they love tourists so if you behave decently, there is nothing to be afraid of apart from loosing some 30 minutes of time and waiting in the sun. I traveled another time at winter, this time the paper was to be filled in at arrival, park your car in the queue for foreign cars and go out and ask any uniformed person to give you the paper to fill in, fill it in and give it to an officer walking around there to get it stamped and once this is done you can enter the country freely. Do not pay any attention to people that are not uniformed since they just want to earn money for helping you. If you are lazy and it is too bad weather, it is alright but there is no guarantee they give you the correct info...

Going out of Morocco with a European car; be prepared that they will check the car for drugs carefully both before going on the ferry and upon entering Spain. In Morocco its more visual check, but in Spain its more technological check and they talk to you to check if you look to be of the personality that might try to import drugs. It is not worth the risks. Prision penalties even for a minimal amount of drugs. They even let trained dogs search outside and inside your car. So don´t even think about it.

—The preceding comment was added by 81.231.156.217 (talkcontribs) .


Regions[edit]

Morocco badly needs subregions. I am not familiar with the country, but here is my suggestion:

Do these seem like good travel regions? --Peter Talk 13:19, 27 September 2007 (EDT)

Almost[edit]

Almost. There's an almost decent breakup of the country here: [4]

I'm thinking, based on the above linked to map:

Does that sound reasonable to anyone else? Are there better names for High and Middle Atlas? – cacahuate talk 14:13, 6 June 2008 (EDT)

New proposal[edit]

Proposed regions by Cacahuate

Alright, I took my thoughts above, added Anti Atlas, and drew a map... how is this looking as a region breakdown for Morocco? Anything to change? Are the names agreeable? – cacahuate talk 23:12, 30 June 2008 (EDT)

I'm still pretty Morocco illiterate, but it looks good to me. I'm still hoping User:Spmenic might comment here, but if no one comments for a while, I say go forward with it. --Peter Talk 17:00, 2 July 2008 (EDT)
I'd say that in general these are pretty good--as good as we can get. We just have to understand that the subregions concept may not apply as well to Morocco as it does to other countries. Most Moroccans don't even know the 16 official regions of Morocco, and in fact if you look at the list you'll notice that almost all the "regions" are named after the major cities within them. That's because in Morocco the cities dominate many regional identities (for Berber regions, the particular dialect is another regional marker). Thus, whereas you might tell a friend that you're traveling to Tuscany, Italy--and then later go into detail as to which cities you're visiting (Pisa, Lucca, etc.), it is quite the opposite in Morocco. For the tourist (and even for Moroccans), the major cities always dominate the region. Hence, one guidebook I have breaks itself down this way: 1) In and around Casablanca, 2) In and around Rabat, 3) In and around Tangier, 4) In and around Fes and Meknes, 5) In and around Marrakech, and 6) In and around Agadir. I'm not suggesting that we switch to that, but there's a reason for breaking things down this way. Thus, while the map as drawn might be a good starting point, it might make more sense (as the Moroccans have done and the guidebook I mentioned) to include the city names in at least some of the the subregions. For example, the "Fes and Meknes region" or the "Marrakech and High Atlas region." Also, on the map we have to switch "High Atlas" and "Middle Atlas." The High Atlas mountains are the ones near Marrakech. All that said...these subdivisions seem like a good place to start. I just think we need to make sure we have a sense of how they help travelers explore Morocco better--and then develop them with that in mind. Spmenic 18:59, 3 July 2008 (EDT)
Cool, that all sounds great... I'm not sure that there will be a need at all to subdivide these regions further... we only tend to break countries down as far as we need to to make digestable chunks for the traveler, and I can't see any of these articles getting so huge as to need further breaking down... but I suppose we'll see how they develop... thanks for the feedback Spmenic. I think I'm gonna move ahead and start creating these regions later today, they seem like a good division... and if there's debate over the naming of them later, that's easy enough to change – cacahuate talk 19:32, 3 July 2008 (EDT)

Left Handedness[edit]

The article states to avoid doing anything with your left hand, as the Moroccans perceive the left hand is used for handling excretion. Is this for real? c'mon, the Moroccans should know that most foreigners simply do not go around in life handling crap. But the problem is that being left handed I could not even sign my name with my right hand. To what extent is this anti-left hand guideline a real issue in their culture?

You should eat with your right hand, and use your right hand to give or receive anything, such as money, etc... and only touch people with your right hand. Otherwise you're ok using your left for writing etc. – cacahuate talk 14:06, 6 June 2008 (EDT)

Currency Abbreviation and Usage[edit]

We need to decide upon one standard way to represent prices for all the Morocco travel pages. Looking just at this Morocco page and the Marrakech page, I've seen prices listed with "dirhams" spelled out and abbreviated, with various different forms of abbreviations, with the abbreviations before and after the price, and with abbreviations next to and spaced out from the price. The permutations are many, all of which seem to be used at least once.

Here are actual examples (no kidding) copied directly from those two pages:

  • dhr 100
  • Dh 10
  • 10 Dhm
  • 130 Dh
  • 20Dh
  • 7dh
  • 30 DH
  • 20DH
  • 20 Dirham
  • 30 Dirhams
  • 90 dirham
  • 10 dirhams

After searching the web, there doesn't seem to be a consensus among other guides either. Lonely Planet lists prices in this format: DH 100. Rough Guides uses this format: 100dh. A New York Times article on Marrakech lists prices this way: 100 dirhams.

No matter what, we need to standardize things. Spmenic 00:34, 3 August 2008 (EDT)

Indeed! Wikitravel:Spelling Wikitravel:Currency is the current policy, which guides us to use a symbol or abbreviation when possible, placed before the amount... I think it should definitely be capitalized, which leaves us to decide between Dh and DH... I think I prefer the former, but could live with either – cacahuate talk 03:21, 3 August 2008 (EDT)
Thank you! The Wikitravel:Spelling page led me to find a great resource for Wikitravel, the Webster's Dictionary money table. If we are using Webster's Third New International Dictionary as our source for spelling, then the money table is its official list of currency symbols. The symbol it gives for the Moroccan dirham is DH in all capitals. So that answers one question.
As to whether it goes before or after, I didn't find anything on the Wikitravel:Spelling page and I'm not sure it is simply a function of American English spelling. The Wikipedia article on currency sign states that "When writing currency amounts the location of the sign varies by currency." I wonder if the question should be: How are prices actually written in Morocco? I think the Moroccan convention should take precedence here. I'm going to look through some photos of Morocco for signs with prices and look at some official websites of the Moroccan government to see what it does.
Woops, I meant Wikitravel:Currency  :) – cacahuate talk 16:14, 3 August 2008 (EDT)
Ah! Sounds good. So are decided that the standard should be DH 100? Spmenic 20:05, 3 August 2008 (EDT)
Works for me! – cacahuate talk 20:13, 3 August 2008 (EDT)



Staying outside cities[edit]

In June and July, how easy is it to get accomodation in small towns? I'm thinking of hiring a 4wd, with driver, and exploring the High Atlas Mountains. I'd need to park and sleep in small villages, and make day trips on foot, starting well before dawn.

Would it be possible to rock up to a small village, such as here: http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=N31+27.121+W6+37.805&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&ie=UTF8&ll=31.559815,-6.630249&spn=2.335507,4.943848&z=8&iwloc=addr and be confident that I could get accommodation?

I am not keen on camping, largely because it would require the transportation of too much gear on the plane. Arpitt 10:47, 8 January 2009 (EST)

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