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What's listed for the East Coast is technically the Mid-Atlantic region. The East Coast covers Maine through Florida.

- CSP

Mid-atlantic is a much better term, actually. --Evan 16:10, 4 Dec 2003 (PST)

Cities

I'm not totally set on the cities currently listed. Perhaps swap Rochester for Albany? Neither are really great travel destinations though. There are, however, some more good travel destinations that are very small cities (like Princeton). If anyone ever takes an interest in changing the 9 listed cities, I'll be watching this page and will help out. --Peter Talk 02:05, 24 August 2007 (EDT)

Whoops, there are only 8 cities here—room for one more. I kind of lean Princeton, but perhaps that's unfair to the big Jersey cities. If we pick one of them, which has the most important tourist attractions? We could also list Hoboken. --Peter Talk 01:25, 9 August 2008 (EDT)
Hmm, surprised I missed that too. We don't have to have nine cities, of course, especially if there's no clear choice for the ninth one. For reference, here are the available candidates from the state articles:
  • Niagara Falls, Ithaca, Syracuse, Cooperstown, Saratoga Springs, Albany
  • Harrisburg, Allentown, Gettysburg, Hershey, Scranton/Wilkes-Barre, State College, Williamsport
  • Trenton, Atlantic City, Camden, Hoboken, Jersey City, Newark, New Brunswick, Paterson, Princeton
  • Bethesda, College Park, Cumberland, Frederick, Hagerstown, Ocean City, Solomons Island
  • Dover, Wilmington, Newark, Bridgeville, Dewey Beach, New Castle, Rehoboth Beach, Middletown, Bethany Beach, Fenwick Island
-- LtPowers 09:39, 9 August 2008 (EDT)
Any thoughts? Niagara Falls seems like a decent choice, as the falls themselves are one of the region's major tourist destinations -- but it's really close to Buffalo. There are a lot of choices that are comparable to each other, but none that stand out like the current eight do. Maybe we should just stick with eight. LtPowers 18:55, 11 September 2008 (EDT)
User:PAWiki seems to like Allentown, but I'd prefer to see some discussion here. Why Allentown and not, for instance, Scranton/Wilkes-Barre? The former is fairly close to Philadelphia, to the point of being in the same metro area if I recall correctly, and SWB also has a AAA baseball team (as does Syracuse, for that matter). I'm not saying Allentown is a bad choice, but I think we should discuss it. LtPowers 15:14, 26 December 2008 (EST)
Allentown is the third most populated city in Pennsylvania, after Philadelphia and Pittsburgh, and one of the fastest growing. In economic, entertainment, social fields, it is the third or (if you include Harrisburg for the simple fact that it is the capital--but has little other notoriety) fourth most important city in the state. I also concur with the inclusion of Atlantic City, for the reasons noted below and the fact that it is among the most famed beach resorts in the region. PAWiki 15:39, 27 December 2008 (EST)
Atlantic City sounds like the best choice to me. It's a large enough sized city and a major tourist destination in New Jersey, for which we currently have no cities listed. I hadn't thought of it when I drafted the initial list, otherwise I think I would have included it. --Peter Talk 16:09, 26 December 2008 (EST)
I've thought about it over the past week and I think Atlantic City is probably the best choice. There's a lot to like about Allentown, but I don't see it being a major destination for travelers just yet. Remember, the purpose of the "Cities" section is to provide shortcuts to cities the traveler is already thinking about without making them go through the whole hierarchy; I think Atlantic City definitely fills that bill (and, with that reasoning, perhaps we ought also to bold "Niagara Falls" in the description of Buffalo, to catch said traveler's eye). LtPowers 15:37, 1 January 2009 (EST)
Atlantic City certainly draws more tourists than Allentown. I'd also suspect Allentown draws more than Rochester, which is on the list. PAWiki 15:14, 2 January 2009 (EST)
My hunch is Rochester gets more tourism from its festivals, but especially from university visits. We seem to have a consensus at least to include Atlantic City, but we can still discuss the inclusion of Allentown at the removal of another city. --Peter Talk 15:29, 2 January 2009 (EST)
Well, Rochester serves as a jumping-off point for the entire Finger Lakes region. It also has its own attractions, which are, admittedly, varied rather than dominated by one big thing, but that's not really a bad thing. But yes, the festival circuit is certainly a big draw. =) LtPowers 21:05, 2 January 2009 (EST)
Discussion seems to have stalled -- I'd like to go ahead and add Atlantic City and the numerous Other Destinations we now have to the map. Any objections? LtPowers 10:11, 15 February 2009 (EST)
Sounds good to me! --Peter Talk 20:42, 16 February 2009 (EST)
Okay, new map is up. I didn't touch the Russian and Spanish layers on the SVG, though. LtPowers 20:15, 20 February 2009 (EST)

Disambiguator

What is the parenthetical US of A here disambiguating? I'm not aware of any other Mid-Atlantics in the world and it's annoying to type. Would anyone object to moving this page to Mid-Atlantic? --Peter Talk 16:08, 20 February 2008 (EST)

Always thought this was weird, especially since Mid-Atlantic redirects here. Would support de-disambiguation. OldPine 16:27, 20 February 2008 (EST)
De-disambiguated. --Peter Talk 13:57, 23 February 2008 (EST)

Parsing words

Per Wikitravel:Tone, we encourage lively writing, and discourage people from parsing words. But more to the point, what the heck is the logical difference between "arguably the world's greatest city" and "one of the world's greatest cities?" How could one be pretentious and the other not when they are both different expressions of the exact same argument? Any "one of the world's greatest cities" could be "arguably the greatest." The only difference I see is that the latter is more weakly stated, and I don't like seeing articles watered down. --Peter Talk 20:46, 19 July 2008 (EDT)

Conceptually, I would say there are numerous cities on the list of the world's greatest, but only a small handful that could reasonably be considered the greatest -- and none has as solid an argument as NYC. IMO. LtPowers 22:34, 19 July 2008 (EDT)

They clearly have very different meanings. ‘One of the world’s greatest cities’ suggests that there are other cities as great as NYC (like I previously stated on the edit page, e.g London, Paris), while ‘arguably the world’s greatest city’ suggests that NYC is better (greater) than every other city of the world. Please don’t think I'm criticizing NYC, I just feel strongly that there are a small number of other cities in the world that could be considered among the greatest. —The preceding comment was added by 72.232.23.236 (talkcontribs) .

Yes, that's true -- but the wording "arguably the world's greatest city" makes clear that many people consider it to be the tops -- a distinction limited to only a handful of cities around the world. "One of the world's greatest cities", on the other hand, puts it on equal footing with scores of others that are great, even if no one really considers them "the greatest". I guess I what I'm saying is that the more superlative wording is necessary to get across the true scope and prominence of the city in relation to other "great" cities (without disparaging the few other claimants to "greatest"). LtPowers 16:10, 24 July 2008 (EDT)
I'd disagree, "arguably the world's greatest" means that one can make that argument (and if you've ever spent a minute speaking with a New Yorker, you know that people do exactly that). In any rate, please do not continue edit warring—in case of disagreement, it's Wikitravel policy to default to the status quo until people come to an agreement on the talk page. --Peter Talk 01:04, 25 July 2008 (EDT)
I don't think we disagree; what you said matches my feelings. And I only reverted once. LtPowers 08:33, 25 July 2008 (EDT)
Ah, sorry, I meant I disagreed with the previous comment ;) --Peter Talk 22:32, 25 July 2008 (EDT)

Okay, I'm gonna let this go now as there’s no point in an edit war. I do agree with what you are saying even though I don’t agree with the wording used in the article. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.232.23.236 (talkcontribs)

Intro

Regarding the intro: geographically, isn't it more accurate to say the region is mostly rural-suburban? Certainly the majority of the two largest states would be considered "rural", or at minimum outside the megalopolis. I won't deny BosWash dominates the area culturally, financially, and demographically, but certainly not geographically! LtPowers 11:01, 9 September 2008 (EDT)

Please have at it, but it's probably best to emphasize that from a travel perspective, it's all about the cities. --Peter Talk 11:12, 9 September 2008 (EDT)
Well that's true anywhere, isn't it? LtPowers 11:22, 9 September 2008 (EDT)
Not in Utah ;) --Peter Talk 11:28, 9 September 2008 (EDT)




Get Around > By Car

I'm from the Mid-Atlantic and in my travels, I've driven on most of I-95. While I don't disagree with the comments about rude & aggressive driving (something we take pride in), I don't know where anyone got the idea that I-95 "often encompass[es] a whopping 20 lanes". Maybe they're thinking of Southern California, but the widest I remember is eight or ten total lanes tops. Any ideas on how to fix this? I don't want to just cut it out entirely... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Aure1ius9 (talkcontribs)

The "often" part is definitely an exaggeration, but the 20 lanes isn't much of one. I quickly checked the Garden State Pkwy just west of Manhattan, and I count 18 lanes at its widest stretch (at least I think there isn't any wider stretch) between Newark and Jersey City. I've revised the section accordingly. --Peter Talk 15:26, 23 March 2009 (EDT)

Images

I just realized this article has no photos! I slapped a nice one of Assateague at the top, but we need more than that, and I'm not certain that an OtBP destination like Assateague (beautiful though it is) really belongs at the top.

A few things I think should be represented: NYC, D.C., Philly, Jersey Shore, the Adirondacks, and Niagara Falls. Opinions? Photo suggestions (that aren't already being used elsewhere in our guides)? --Peter Talk 05:11, 17 October 2009 (EDT)

I don't have a lot of suggestions, I'm afraid. I took a glance through Commons' featured pictures, but the U.S. selection is heavily weighted to the west. There's only one FP of Niagara Falls, for instance, and it's not even that good: Wikipedia:Commons:File:Niagarablue.jpg. To me, as highlighted in the introduction, the Mid-Atlantic is defined equally by its large cities and skyscrapers as by its areas of natural beauty. I don't know which aspect would make for a better lead picture, although we really can't ignore the impact of the NYC-Philly-Washington metropolis on the area. Something like Wikipedia:Commons:File:Philadelphia skyline August 2007.jpg would show what is essentially a typical Mid-Atlantic cityscape with skyscrapers and a river in close proximity. Just some thoughts. LtPowers 10:45, 17 October 2009 (EDT)

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