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Hmmm, there's a lot of inline Wikipedia links in the Understand section. It would be nice if there was a sentence or two in the article if there's stuff people need to know, otherwise maybe add these as real Wikipedia links? Majnoona 20:03, 24 Jul 2004 (EDT)

Is Miami a huge city

Does Miami need to follow the Huge city article template? For example Miami Beach says it is now a city but was a suburb. There appear to be other localities or districts in the area too. -- Huttite 19:07, 7 Jan 2005 (EST)

Yes, Miami is a world city, and as of 2006, it's the 4th biggest Urban area in the U.S... It's huge.67.35.103.202 20:13, 23 August 2007 (EDT)
Well, more than a year later, I'm going to ask this again: Huge city? I think the asnwer is yes! Just look at the Buy section and how it mentions different districts as locations. I'm going to take a stab at a start and hope that someone who knows the area will follow up. Majnoona 13:14, 22 Feb 2006 (EST)
eh, now I wonder... should there just be a neighborhood description area instead? Is there really only one area where travellers/ tourists visit? Majnoona 13:16, 22 Feb 2006 (EST)

This has got to be the most poorly written wikitravel entry. Did someone from Miami write this?

I see that someone has now created an article on "Little havana" (sic), which (poor capitalization aside) seems to be a first, halting step toward a Miami "district." The article nothing much, but maybe it can be an incentive to start a district structure that actually works. Anybody? I've moved that one to Miami/Little Havana; go forth and do likewise/better. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 09:11, 14 December 2006 (EST)
Over a year later, I still see this city as consisting of neighborhoods and not of huge districts that are of interest for the traveler. I feel like some of the districts could be deleted, if not all of them. THE evil fluffyface 10:12, 22 September 2007 (EDT)
Well, keep in mind the problem of making the article useful, and one of the components of that is making sure it's of manageable size. Yes, progress on giving Miami the treatment it deserves has been frustratingly slow, but I'm pretty sure that if all the attractions of this huge city were well treated, the resulting single article would be impractically large, and that's why districts are used. The entire point of districts as sub-pages under a huge-city article is to allow a sensible and comprehensive treatment of neighborhoods without the root article getting too large. The root article then includes language that points the reader at the right district to find the neighborhood. Not all district articles need to be treated at great length; if there aren't any museums, night clubs, etc., in a district, just say so. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 11:19, 22 September 2007 (EDT)
I agree wholeheartedly with Bill on this. It can initially be difficult to move things out to the proper districts (and then to patrol out everyone wanting to put listings to the city), but it ends up being much better for the reader by making it more readable, better organized, and a better overview of the area as a whole.OldPine 12:57, 22 September 2007 (EDT)

Don't know if it helps your problem much, but I edited the introduction to make a distinction between Miami and the Miami Metropolitan Area(Gold Coast or South FLorida). Could someone expand the article "Florida Gold Coast"????? AHeneen 18:07, 2 September 2008 (EDT)

I re-edited your contributions. The problem we have, common to all large cities, is that everyone wants their business listed in the city rather than in whatever suburb or city district they are really located. Some contributors also have the philosophy that suburban attractions should be covered in the big city article. It's not so much a misunderstanding of the metro area as it is these forces working, IMHO. OldPine 19:25, 2 September 2008 (EDT)

American Airlines jet photo

(If anyone just so happens to stumble on this page), Do we really need it? THE evil fluffyface 10:31, 1 August 2007 (EDT)

No, we don't. I'd say remove it from this article. I'm not sure it would be useful in any Wikitravel article other than possibly Fundamentals of flying (to illustrate for the skeptical that these giant metal contraptions can, in fact, get off the ground). Gorilla Jones 10:40, 1 August 2007 (EDT)

Crime

Who wrote this??? It's batshit insane. Miami is one of the most dangerous places in America. The article is total bullshit, and needs to be changed. We don't want tourists coming here and getting killed because they were dumb enough to believe that "public transit is generally safe in Miami" or that "Downtown and Miami Beach are safe." Zip code 33130, for example, has a personal (murder, rape, assault, robbery) crime rate of 667. To give you a comparison, Compton California's worst section scores only 467. New York's Marcy Projects, in the Bedford Sty, score a 170. Even Detroit's worst is 561. The only places in the U.S. as dangerous as Miami, are Camden and East St. Louis.

So, rethink that. And about public transit, the metrorail is not very safe, or clean for that matter. I've seen enough crap on there (litteraly and figuratively) to know that!67.35.103.202 20:13, 23 August 2007 (EDT)


I re-edited the Crime section because I felt that it was too long and I felt like it originally did put off tourists to Miami. This is a travel wiki, not Wikipedia. Please acquaint yourself with Wikitravel's policies first and then, if you feel like you can re-edit the Crime section so as to not scare off people from Miami, feel free to do so. As for myself, I stayed in Miami three days and was not harmed in any way.

Oh, and you might want to slow down and check the spelling of your words in your rage. THE evil fluffyface 09:47, 25 August 2007 (EDT)

Test

This is a test for starting a discussion.

/Fred

Congratulations, you succeeded. What would you like to talk about? Jpatokal 11:07, 9 May 2008 (EDT)

Talk

The writing in the talk section seems to be a bit condescending to the locals that don't speak English. What is the vibe towards non English speakers in Miami? Is this true, or can it be rewritten in a better tone?

Thanks. --MarinaK 14:33, 13 June 2008 (EDT)MarinaK.

I think the talk section is great in that addresses the issue of non-English speakers. It is true that most (at least 80% or so) speak English even if it isn't their native tongue. Because of the large numbers of people who do not speak English, there is not a negative vibe towards them. Could you explain why you think it should be rewritten in a better tone? AHeneen 18:03, 2 September 2008 (EDT)

Images aren't working

Hi. Several of the images in the Miami article aren't appearing. I've tried to fix them- i.e put _ where there are spaces, but it doesn't work. Can someone please fix them? --MarinaK 14:43, 1 October 2008 (EDT)MarinaK.

This is a technical problem. See "Thumbnail shows up as gray box" at shared:Wikitravel Shared:Travellers' pub -- Sergey kudryavtsev 15:22, 1 October 2008 (EDT)
Thanks Sergey. I've posted my problem over at Wikitravel/Shared. --MarinaK 15:27, 6 October 2008 (EDT)MarinaK.

Deletion

Hi. I deleted the following review as the restaurant has now closed- *Wolfie Cohen’s Rascal House, 190 Collins Ave, +1 305 947-4581 [1] – Sun-Thu 6:30AM-1AM, Fri-Sat 6:30AM-2AM. Rascal House is now a thing of the past. Closed March 2008. Jewish deli food. A Miami institution since 1954, Wolfie’s used to serve the Rat Pack after performances. It’s still beloved today because of its retroactive vibe. $8-$30 per person, per meal. Thanks. --MarinaK 14:49, 6 October 2008 (EDT)MarinaK.


Districts and classification

I want to see if I can get some consensus on how to classify Miami Beach: should we consider it a part of Miami, since most travelers won't care about the legal distinction, or not? I submit to you the South Beach article, which is currently classified as Miami/South Beach. Yet Miami Beach and North Miami Beach are its own separate articles. So, I would propose that Miami Beach be classified as Miami/Miami Beach, or we change South Beach to Miami Beach/South.

In addition, Downtown Miami is also its own article, when it should probably be renamed to Miami/Downtown. (EDIT: OK I just did it, seeing as how someone else on the Downtown talk page asked the same question.) psychofish 09:59, 18 June 2010 (EDT)

I think they should obviously just be seen as Miami. To avoid confusion, I created Miami/North Beach and Miami/Mid Beach articles, but they can be changed if necessary. Now it's important we get a full and detailed district scheme worked out and get it in place. --globe-trotter 13:34, 19 June 2010 (EDT)

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