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Malaria

There is a Malaria page, unless it got deleted. I noted it before and thought it should be discussed-- what do we do with health issues? They should be discussed, but in how much detail and in what format? Before I go any futher, I'll take this to the Malaria talk page... Majnoona 10:52, 29 Apr 2004 (EDT)

Destinations

How about Malacca and Kota Bharu as Destination cities? I don't know what slogans to use for them, but I think they belong. Malacca, abode of history? Kota Bharu, gem of the Northeast?

09:30, 5 July 2005 (UTC)

Anything you like boss... but we don't have to list every city in the main page, places like Kota Bharu are hardly tourist attractions (or "gems"). Jpatokal 06:10, 5 Jul 2005 (EDT)

Well, is Taiping really a pensioners' paradise? I've never been there, but then I'm not a pensioner, nor are most tourists, and there are probably things about that city that would appeal to younger visitors. I happen to like Kota Bharu and think that it belongs because it's very different from every other city in Malaysia. The appeal for visitors is its uniqueness, in culture, food, architecture, dialect, etc. You might not find the pasars there a big deal, for example, but that doesn't mean other tourists wouldn't. But in any case, I'm just throwing out the idea to someone who might want to write the article. I'd do it, but I'm not enough of an expert. If you aren't interested, no problem.

Michael 09:43, 6 July 2005 (UTC)

None of us are "experts", we're all just Wikitravellers. Plunge forward and edit, if somebody doesn't like your edits they'll edit them again, and eventually it'll settle down to a happy compromise.
Also, smaller towns can be listed on regional pages, eg. you'll find Kota Bharu under East Coast (Malaysia). And if you can enter what you found interesting about KB by all means add it in, then I'll know what to look for the next time I pass through (which, from the looks of it, will be about 1.5 weeks from now). Jpatokal 07:12, 6 Jul 2005 (EDT)

This message was triggered off by what Jpatokal said in the Central (Malaysia) discussion page. I agree that decribing a region in Peninsular Malaysia as "Central" is odd. As a Malaysian, I have never heard of this being used. The usual references to regions in Malaysia are "East Coast" to cover Kelantan, Terengganu and Pahang and "West Coast" for Perlis, Kedah, Penang, Perak, Selangor, Negeri Sembilan, Malacca and even Johor. Johor of course has both a west and east coast, so it may not fit the "West Coast" classification so well. Can I rename and regroup the regions of Peninsular Malaysia into "West Coast" for Perlis down to Negeri Sembilan, "East Coast" for Kelantan, Terengganu and Pahang, and "South" for Malacca and Johor.Slleong 10:06, 10 Feb 2006 (EST)

Why is it not accepted that Kuala Kubu Bharu is a city? I looked up the definition of a city. KKB fits in perfectly. KKB is head district of Hulu Selangor, has a church, more than 2 chinese temples and a Mosque (please see cambridge definition of a city). Futhermore it is place of commerce, business and residence. The size is larger than a town because of facilities and infrastructure. Recently added train station, a bus station, schools, district councel (YDP is currently in office in KKB), hospital and of course market, residential zones, business and commercial centre and the rest. It also has an indipendent history, unique and not sub-dipendent on cities in the vicinity like KL. Please give me some reasons why this is not accepted... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 124.13.71.238 (talkcontribs)

Of course it's a city, but you're not reading the page, which says "Only cities of primary importance to tourists here, maximum 9". We already have nine listed, and you'll have a hard time arguing that KKB is more important to tourists than (say) Malacca. The correct place to link in KKB is Selangor state, and it's already listed there. Jpatokal 01:52, 12 December 2008 (EST)

Thank you for the response. I got your point. I understand now that it needs to be top 9 (and that was my problem). I cannot argue over Malacca that’s for sure! But I can certainly argue over IPOH (or some of the other destinations!). KKB has just recently entered the tourism world. Not because there were no tourists coming to KKB a few years back but because of it being primarily a LOCAL tourism destination. The problem was transportation and geographical. It was not well connected to Kuala Lumpur and the only way (or almost the only way) to visit KKB was using your own car. Everything changed in 2008. The KTM opened to KKB and the influx of tourists grew exponentially. KKB has a huge tourist per capita ratio even without counting the new KTM line which draws in more FOREIGN tourism. KKB is one of the best rafting and hiking destinations worldwide. More than 3 rafting companies are operating here in the surroundings. Bukit Kutu trail has been recently upgraded and reopened. The construction of the dam (recently completed) and it’s tourist information center have drawn in a large number of visitors together with the newly formed aborigine village of Pertak. Traditionally KKB’s local tourists came for golf (18hole golf course) . The night markets which draws an amazing number of local (and now overseas) tourists. It is also a pass by point for Frasier’s Hills and Genting. Many tourists stop over KKB for the food, shopping (KKB is very reasonably priced) and nature walks. New accommodations have opened up in the town itself and a tourist information centre is in the making. There are many more recent developments which are putting KKB on the MAP. I argue that population per tourist ratio KKB is way ahead of IPOH although does lack behind Malaka which is a well establish tourist destination for local and foreign tourists or Johor Bharu which is very strong in tourist influx from Singapore (for shopping mainly). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 124.13.71.238 (talkcontribs)

If it's a rafting and hiking destination, then maybe you can put it under "Other" — but why is there no rafting info on the KKB page? Jpatokal 04:47, 12 December 2008 (EST)

Sorry but KKB seams to be one of the best kept secrets of malaysia!!!! I will update in the following month more information on KKB. For your refrence these are the rafting companies I mentioned: Pierose Swiftwater (www.raftmalaysia.com) , Tracks (www.tracksadventures.com) and Khersonese Expedition (www.thepaddlerz.com). All of which are rafting, trekking, outdoor adventure companies that operate on rivers going to the dam. But KKB is not only this. I will update the KKB page as soon as possible. But please I would like to understand why you see Ipoh as a more important tourist destination than KKB. I cannot find a good reason except for city size (which I don't think constitutes a reasonable criteria or else the number of tourists going to Kuantan or Kuala Terengganu would be much higher than Putrajaya but they are not on the list).

http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=ipoh&word2=kuala+kubu+baru Jpatokal 06:56, 12 December 2008 (EST)

Objections: 1) research engines do not only look for tourism related topics 2) this does not show that one city is more important than another in a certain field Consensus: I do understand the point that the more a city is talked about the more it should be good for tourism. Obviously this also has to do with the population problem I was explaining earlier. Surely KKB has no entries for industry or medical research but most of the listings probably do have something to do with tourism while Ipoh being a much more “complex” city obviously has a much smaller percentage related to tourism. Another point is the population. Let’s take this counter example: http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=shenzhen&word2=guilin As you can clearly see Shenzhen is of ratio 1 to 8 with Guilin. Notice Shenzhen is not in the destination cities in China but Guilin is (http://wikitravel.org/en/China) To further analyize the matter, consider the population difference between the Malaysia and Chinese example: Malaysian Population 746.300 Ipoh google hits 3.780.000 Population 5.000 Kuala Kubu Bharu google hits 212.000 Chinese Population 4.000.000 shenzhen google hits 22.000.000 Population 1.340.000 guilin google hits 2.710.000 Simple, if you do the math and take into consideration population/google hits ratio without even considering my other argument than KKB Should be placed on destinations.

http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=ipoh+tourism&word2=kuala+kubu+baru+tourism Jpatokal 22:06, 12 December 2008 (EST)

Hello, I am the "KKB GUY". Sorry for my lack of form. I just signed up and I have a new account. Sorry to see that you do not have any argumentation and can only send me links. Maybe Wikipedia should just rely on google as a form of ultimate knowledge and information. I have hence decided to delete Ipoh and substitute it with KKB. If you give me sufficient argumentation to support the contrary I will put KKB under others as has been suggested. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Lorenzoitaly (talkcontribs)

Thank you! Now we can have a civilized conversation. So, as should have been completely and totally obvious from the links above, Ipoh is a major tourism destination (100,000+ Google hits) while KKB is a very, very minor one (under 5000 hits, and most of those talk about Fraser's Hill). As you can see from Wikitravel:Country article template, the Cities section is reserved for prominent cities, but KKB is, as you said, "Malaysia's best kept secret" because it's not prominent.
I've already offered a compromise: stick KKB under "Other destinations". Are you OK with this? Jpatokal 08:36, 13 December 2008 (EST)

Very Well, I agree that not enough information on KKB has been put into the web (a true pity). Let's put it under "Other destinations" using the description I presented, but in 6 months time let's revise it if information on the web has increased or if I present further evidence (for instance KKB is applying for UNESCO as world heritage site) than you will try to reconsider. Do you agree?

Sure -- we work on Wikitravel:Consensus here. I think your description is quite boring though: a "garden city" sounds like a suburb, and isn't that Putrajaya's slogan anyway? Jpatokal 20:01, 13 December 2008 (EST)

Region vfd discussions

North (Malaysia)

  • Delete. Merged into the more commonly known West_Coast_(Malaysia) which extends from north to south.Slleong 05:39, 9 March 2006 (EST)
  • Keep & redirect to West_Coast_(Malaysia) Changed my mind - instead:
  • Keep & disambiguate (which I've just done, incorporating state lists/links).
  • Delete. -- Tom Holland (xltel) 15:31, 14 March 2006 (EST)
  • What do people think of such quasi-disambiguations, i.e. where you disambiguate not because of repeated name, but because the region covers other regions? I myself am in favour, having done so for North (India) after I split it into two regions. But it is not covered under policy — Ravikiran 01:10, 25 March 2006 (EST)
    • My personal preference would be to come up with a clear set of regions and stick to them, and only set up redirects and disambiguations when there are common region names in use that differ from what Wikitravel uses. In this case I don't think "North Malaysia" would be a common enough term that we need an article for it. -- Ryan 20:00, 25 March 2006 (EST)
    • Good. So North India stays and this goes — Ravikiran 00:00, 26 March 2006 (EST)
      • Is the edit history worth considering when thinking about how common usage of such a term might be? Neither North (Malaysia) nor Central (Malaysia) started out as disambiguations - the origins of both seem to be pretty much identical to North (India) except that instead of a single region being subdivided, the entire region was re-divided. 203.151.141.194 05:55, 27 March 2006 (EST)

Central (Malaysia)

  • Delete. Even more unheard of than the above, also merged contents into West_Coast_(Malaysia).Slleong 05:39, 9 March 2006 (EST)
  • Keep - was converted to a disambiguation yesterday Keep if keeping North (Malaysia) - otherwise delete. 203.151.141.194 06:05, 27 March 2006 (EST)
  • Delete. -- Tom Holland (xltel) 15:31, 14 March 2006 (EST)
  • What do people think of such quasi-disambiguations, i.e. where you disambiguate not because of repeated name, but because the region covers other regions? I myself am in favour, having done so for North (India) after I split it into two regions. But it is not covered under policy — Ravikiran 01:10, 25 March 2006 (EST)
    • See comments above. -- Ryan 20:00, 25 March 2006 (EST)

People

I disagree with the revised population statistics. The official 2004 stats are Malay 50.8%, Chinese 23.8%, Indigenous 10.9%, Indian 7.1%, non-Malaysian citizens 6.8 %, others 0.6%. Greenmango 01:34, 4 October 2006 (EDT)

Stay safe

WARNING: Indonesians (they look like Malays) around Kuala Lumpur cheat tourists frequently by selling fake products (like Rolex, etc.). STAY AWAY FROM THESE CHEATERS. THEY WILL FOLLOW YOU. Also, be careful with taxi drivers because some charge an unusually high fees when it comes to foreigners.

that part is racist and not appropriate

National Parks

Can you list the 3 mouuntains taller than Gng Kinabalu/ Greenmango 21:23, 22 July 2008 (EDT)

Taxi in Malaysia

In Kuala Lumpur, may I ask, is it possible to have five passengers in a taxi? Will they allow? The three passengers are 16 years old and below.

-In KL (as the locals call it), they'll let you stuff as many people as you want into a cab.

The limit is 4, and most taxi drivers are quite strict about that now. Greenmango 21:50, 17 September 2008 (EDT)

about the "technically" part regarding to the criminality of homosexuality in Malaysia

When I mentioned that homosexuality is illegal due to strong influence of Islam in Malaysia, someone else placed the word "technically" in the comment which ends up being "homosexuality is technically illegal." I thought homosexuality IS illegal due to strong influence of Islam. Can anyone fully explain this? --Dark Paladin X 19:32, 10 May 2009 (EDT)

Things are "technically illegal" when they're illegal but the law is not enforced, which is usually the case in Malaysia. Jpatokal 23:52, 10 May 2009 (EDT)
Oh, so that's what you mean by technically illegal. At least it's good advice to gays and lesbians to avoid public displays of affections here.--Dark Paladin X 09:48, 11 May 2009 (EDT)

Regions, Cities and Other Destinations

After Peter completed his excellent map, I noticed that Labuan is being treated as a separate top level region. Frankly, that makes no sense whatsoever. It is tiny and insignificant for the traveller. The Federal Territories in Peninsular Malaysia are treated as part of West Coast, and I strongly think therefore that Labuan should be treated as part of Sabah. --Burmesedays 12:57, 1 January 2010 (EST)

Also there are 10 cities listed. I suggest losing Putrajaya. And 21 other destinations!? Severe culling required. My suggested list of 9 is:
  • Langkawi
  • Penang
  • Perhentian Islands
  • Tioman Island
  • Taman Negara National Park
  • Kinabalu National Park
  • Cameron Highlands
  • Fraser's Hill
  • Either Kubah National Park or Redang --Burmesedays 13:08, 1 January 2010 (EST)
Ah, I wish that I had seen this earlier—it would have made the map much easier to tackle! I'll defer to others re: cities & od lists, but I definitely agree that Labuan would be better off lumped in with Sabah. --Peter Talk 13:14, 1 January 2010 (EST)
I could see you had struggled a bit with all those place labels which is why I checked the OD list!--Burmesedays 01:57, 3 January 2010 (EST)
Two weeks and no interest in this, so I will go ahead with my proposals. --Burmesedays 08:03, 13 January 2010 (EST)

I think we should get rid of "Peninsular Malaysia" and "East Malaysia" as we already use the levels below them as top-level regions. --globe-trotter 11:04, 15 July 2010 (EDT)

On the face of it, I would tend to disagree, as those designations are so standard and geography-based in Malaysia. Why can't they coexist with the various states as top-level regions? Ikan Kekek 06:23, 18 July 2010 (EDT)
Because now we have two top-level regions at the same time. I did not mean to get rid of the wording of "Peninsular Malaysia" and "East Malaysia", just to get rid of them boasting an article of their own. I mean it a bit like this:


Regions

--globe-trotter 08:02, 18 July 2010 (EDT)

Got it. No objection.
One aside: I wonder about "South" as a designation, though. I know that Johor has both west and east coasts, but the east coast is the least developed part of Johor, still, isn't it? I would classify Johor as a West Coast state. But I don't have a strong opinion about that. Ikan Kekek 08:34, 18 July 2010 (EDT)
I think Johor has been placed as "South" or "South Coast", because its obviously touching both coasts. I'm fine with that the way it is now, otherwise it might create confusion. --globe-trotter 16:30, 18 July 2010 (EDT)
I do agree that its a bit odd to have just Johor separately, as the Southern region also includes Melaka and some other areas. Grouping it with the West Coast I think is more logical. --globe-trotter 15:32, 24 July 2011 (EDT)
We could also use the six regions [1] of Malaysia. It'd avoid this huge West Coast region which has so much to do, and Malacca (state) would be in the Southern Region. --globe-trotter 03:38, 13 September 2011 (EDT)
What this amounts to is dividing up the West Coast while ignoring the fact that Kelantan is also a "northern" state. I find it slightly strange but could understand the reason for it, pragmatically. Ikan Kekek 04:33, 13 September 2011 (EDT)
It's a tricky one this. The most interesting bits of Peninsular Malaysia for many travelers are in the North and on the East Coast. Johor is relatively uninspiring and makes sense as one travel region.
Many travelers though would think of Kelantan, Perak, Kedah, Penang and Perlis in the same breath (as "the North"), and we have Kelantan in a different region.
Pahang could probably stand alone as a travel region, or be grouped with Terengganu.
Selangor, the Federal Territories (Wilayah Persekutuan) of KL, Putrajaya and any other ghastly forced towns that the govt is creating (I think there's one called "Cyberjaya"), NS and Melaka definitely belong together.
I am wondering whether four regions along those lines would work - North, Pahang and Terengganu, West Coast and Johor (no need to call it the South - it's just Johor)? --burmesedays 05:00, 13 September 2011 (EDT)

Passport reader

In the old immigration/customs building for those exiting Singapore and entering Malaysia, there is the option for holders of Malaysian passports to use a passport machine instead of going through a counter manned by staff. Does anyone know what info is read by the machine? Does it read visa stamps? 118.101.61.189 09:28, 5 April 2011 (EDT)

Get In

I wish to add a reminder note for people regarding the newly introduced finger printing at malaysian entry points. This will serve to plan their schedules especially when having onward connecting itineraries. But I'm not sure if all of the checkpoints have the finger printing. Fellow travellers, please advise.

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