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Talk:Literary travel

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  • Delete. another stub travel topic going nowhere. Difficult to see how this can every be more than a list of books - there are so many literary paths to follow, many of which may make good itineraries - but is there something separate to literary tourism that we can explore here? If this one gets discovered by the walking tour brigade, they will have a field day. --inas 20:14, 10 June 2010 (EDT)
  • Delete If we had enough literary guides, an index could be useful, but I don't think we have any and trying to make this page itself an itinerary is impossible. It's just too broad. ChubbyWimbus 00:40, 11 June 2010 (EDT)
  • Keep In a recent discussion, I was warranted that we effectively don't delete any minimally useful travel topics at all, especially if there's an active contributor patrolling new contributors. But we do? --DenisYurkin 03:37, 11 June 2010 (EDT)
There was discussion and a recent policy change on deletion specific to itineraries here [1]. As far as "active contributor patrolling new contributors", I think it's safe to say we've given the creator of this article plenty of time to develop it. It's been over 2 years and the only change that has been made to the article was a capitalization update, so I don't think anyone is being bullied by deleting this. Also, it's extremely broad. If someone created a Little House on the Prairie itinerary, I could envision it becoming something. There are many sites related to the books and author however, "literary travel" as a single topic includes every book ever written, which cannot possibly make a sensible itinerary. ChubbyWimbus 04:32, 11 June 2010 (EDT)
DenisYurkin - are you arguing there is some policy reason to keep this? I don't see that in the discussion you pointed to. If you think the article can be usefully expanded, then explain why, and we can keep it. If it can't be usefully expanded it should go. --inas 23:56, 11 June 2010 (EDT)
Not a policy, but a status-quo described under the link which I read as "we are very conservative in deleting travel topics":
There have been very few travel topics (or other articles) deleted - even the ones that are obviously complete and absolute rubbish we debate endlessly in vfd. If there has been a travel topic deleted that someone expressed an interest in curating, I must have missed it.
I believe that much more books exist that each makes it an interesting undertaking to travel on its key places mentioned. And listing such things is absolutely valid "alternative way of seeing travel". --DenisYurkin 15:59, 13 June 2010 (EDT)
I'm not sure there is much to say about this in terms of subtopics, like "how to prepare for literary travel", but if we keep this, I think we should give it a little more structure than those random examples that we don't even have articles about. I agree that it's a valid type of travel, but what do we have to put there? Looking through our itineraries, Literary London and maybe Narrow Road to the Deep North would be valid entries. We could probably add Momotaro if folktales count as literary travel... What do we think we want from this article? Where do you see it going? ChubbyWimbus 18:15, 13 June 2010 (EDT)
Even merely listing books which are worth creating itineraries would be a value-adding article. Per se it can give an idea on where to go next--there is some percentage of trips that start as a result of reading a good book with action taking place in the region (i.e. sometimes a book come first, and a region comes from that, not only vice versa). And of course it should link to all existing literary-centric itineraries like those you mentioned. Do we really need general sections like "how to prepare" for the article to become worth keeping? --DenisYurkin 16:37, 5 July 2010 (EDT)
On the trail of Marco Polo is based on a book. Are there others? I'd imagine Dracula is a tourist draw in Transylvania. Pashley 08:31, 29 August 2010 (EDT)
There is currently no consensus to keep this article. Any further comment would be appreciated. -- Ryan • (talk) • 14:30, 4 September 2010 (EDT)
  • Weak keep. We seem to have come to a decision to not apply the "outline for a year" criteria to travel topics (although I'm not exactly sure why—maybe we should revisit this). This article has not developed despite having been around for quite some time, and it doesn't seem that anyone has a clear idea of how it could in a productive manner. I'd lean delete, but I cannot see a deletion rationale per current policy. --Peter Talk 16:34, 4 September 2010 (EDT)
I've continued the discussion at Wikitravel talk:Deletion policy#Travel_topics. -- Ryan • (talk) • 17:03, 4 September 2010 (EDT)

Result: Kept. Template:Outlinetopic has been added indicating that if it isn't edited within one year then it will be deleted. -- Ryan • (talk) • 18:11, 11 September 2010 (EDT)

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