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I suppose this section would improve Lisbon article. It is not possible to add the section again?<small>—The [[Wikitravel:Using_talk_pages#Talk_page_formatting|preceding]] comment was added by [[User:Ttl|Ttl]] ([[User_talk:Ttl|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Ttl|contribs]]) {{{2|}}}</small>
 
I suppose this section would improve Lisbon article. It is not possible to add the section again?<small>—The [[Wikitravel:Using_talk_pages#Talk_page_formatting|preceding]] comment was added by [[User:Ttl|Ttl]] ([[User_talk:Ttl|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Ttl|contribs]]) {{{2|}}}</small>
 
:Hi Raul! As already explained on [[User:Ttl|user page]] our [[Apt|Apartment listing]] doesn't allow your listing and your [[User_talk:Ttl|touty entries]] have been reverted. As you didn't followed our guidelines your business has been blacklisted due to your [[Wikitravel:Edit War|edit warring]] and [[don't tout]] policy. The section will stay permanently deleted as i is not in line with our policies. [[User:Jc8136|jan]] 05:53, 14 June 2010 (EDT)
 
:Hi Raul! As already explained on [[User:Ttl|user page]] our [[Apt|Apartment listing]] doesn't allow your listing and your [[User_talk:Ttl|touty entries]] have been reverted. As you didn't followed our guidelines your business has been blacklisted due to your [[Wikitravel:Edit War|edit warring]] and [[don't tout]] policy. The section will stay permanently deleted as i is not in line with our policies. [[User:Jc8136|jan]] 05:53, 14 June 2010 (EDT)
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:Hello! Thank you for the answer! Please let me insist a little bit more, based on the guidelines of [[Apt|Apartment listing]].
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Regarding the several points:
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1. I am trying to get the consensus to allow the page.
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2. The separate sub-section is not a problem at all.
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3. We do have a local address with a phone number that specifies the physical address at the destination for picking up the keys, managing the property and/or resolving rental issues. We also have a 24 hour phone, so the guests can contact the agency at anytime. Our address is shown in our website (contact area).
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4. Our apartments are available for a week rental or even less.
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At the moment, in Lisbon, there are several agencies of this site. I really think this is an additional value to the page. It is cheaper than a hotel for the travelers and allows travelers to live in typical neighborhoods.
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I think my arguments meet the points referenced.

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Please help us complete the article if you know any of the following:

  • Via Verde: how can a traveler become a subcriber? Is it practically feasible for a foreign tourist--either for a rented car or for a personal car brought from abroad? --DenisYurkin 14:24, 11 October 2009 (EDT)
  • The Gulbenkian Museum: is the museum gardens ("worth a visit in and of themselves") open for everyone, without a museum admission fee? --DenisYurkin 14:48, 17 October 2009 (EDT)
  • GetAround:7 Colinas: is it possible to return a used card, and get back a 0.50EUR "deposit"? --DenisYurkin 15:17, 18 October 2009 (EDT)
  • GetAround:Finding your way with Carris map ("...try to locate the nearest Carris bus or tram stop. Most of these stops (not all) have a very good map of the city...") [1]: a photo of such a map would definitely help to understand what kind of map is meant here, how does it look and where exactly on a transit stop to look for it. --DenisYurkin 15:24, 18 October 2009 (EDT)
  • Why Lisbon can't be featured as Destination of the month (per Burmesedays 19:55, 14 December 2009 (EST)):
    • Understand section is thin. Certainly needs a history sub-section and generally to tell us much more about the city.
    • Do section is tiny - there must be more - theatres, cinemas, sport?
    • Drink only has 3 listings.
    • Get out is full of red links.

gambling centre

"Europe's gambling centre" - says who? yes, there are two big casinos, but since when does that make any city a "gambling centre" - where's the source of that?

OK, let's be honest: a list of related readings containing 30 books with synopses is a bit too long for a humble travel guide, isn't it? Rmx 18:19, 16 Jan 2006 (EST)

On a second look, I've noticed that most of it is copyrighted stuff from publishers, online stores and Wikipedia. Worse yet: it's already been copied by other sites on account of WikiTravel's Creative Commons license! I'm deleting the whole list right away. Rmx 18:28, 16 Jan 2006 (EST)

Get Around

Corrected the info regarding the 7 Colinas bus/subway ticket. It might need some english/pricing corrections. cael 15:24, 28 March 2007 (EDT)

Removed external links

Some useful links were placed on the article but we don't use this section any more. Please feel free to re-insert them in the article's text where relevant or keep them on this page.

Photography

Travel guides

-- Ricardo (Rmx) 08:20, 5 April 2006 (EDT)

Article status

Today an anonymous user changed the article status from outline to guide. The Lisbon article is far from being considered a complete guide. I thought about rating it as usable instead, but even the sleep and eat sections are still far from complete, so I guess we will have to stick to outline status for a while. -- Ricardo (Rmx) 16:21, 20 November 2006 (EST)

Reply: It just seemed odd to me that such a lengthy, detailed article would retain "outline" status. Granted, the "Eat" and "Sleep" sections need work; but they do contain enough information to get a traveler headed in the right direction. The rest of the article is really quite detailed, and more than enough for a competent traveler to make do with. Perhaps "Guide" was a bit much, but this is definitely a usable article. 20 Nov. 16:31.

Do a little Geography homework?

Changed the parenthetical under "Stay Safe" that decided Algarve was the far northern coast of Portugal and the hub for Moroccan hash importing. Algarve is to the south. I don't personally know about the hash import/export business, so I won't say anything else about where pot comes or goes out of the country.

Driving Lisbon

Should probably have some warning on driving here. The city is the absolute worst I've been through in Iberia. The roads are much wider though than Sevilla, and the drivers not nearly as aggresive, but lane markings are missing, traffic lights are non-exising in for instance Belem, trams drive on the regular road, signs with directions are often wrong and usually missing, parking is ridicolous expensive, and it is pracically impossible to get to Lisbon without using a toll-road. Stay away from Lisbon if you are driving through Portugal or Iberia in general. 85.235.250.110 05:41, 18 July 2007 (EDT)

As a local, I second that. I always mention that to tourists: don't do it. That's for insiders only.

Stay Safe

As you can see in the work from Gergely Hideg & Robert Manchin (EUICS Consortium) Environment and Safety in European Capitals, Lisbon is one of the capitals in Europe which has less crime. I find the terms used in this section exaggerated. Although I am not editing the article on account of not being registered on the site, I would advise someone to do it. —The preceding comment was added by 213.22.39.30 (talkcontribs) .


Hi! Just so you know, you don't have to be registered; we'd love it if you went ahead and edited the article. We'd also love it if you registered an account, but it's not necessary. LtPowers 19:59, 1 September 2008 (EDT)
I have edited the Stay Safe page and added some more info. I also registered in wikitravel... let's see where this site can go :) Diogo Bruno 17:07, 19 September 2008 (GMT)
That is true, but it is also true that there has recently been a rise in violent crime by armed gangs too. It doesn't show in statistics yet, and most possibly it won't affect Lisbon's status, but nevertheless it's ongoing -- let's just see where it ends up.

A little cleaning and plunging.

I am working on getting something written the hotels that only have addresses. I am pulling for customer reviews from many hostel booking websites - not copy/paste but using them for real information about the place. I am really interested in Lisbon it has been on my wish list of places to go for a while so I though this would be a fun way to encourage myself to get there.

Also I am doing a bit of cleaning - making all the phone numbers uniform I am trying to use the +351 (21) xxx-xxx formate, because it is the one I see the most often on website. Trew 18:24, 16 October 2008 (EDT)


Good Morning, At it again. I noticed that Lisbon Calling Hostel is listed under two different neighborhoods, I am going to try to figure out which it is really in and delete the duplicateTrew 14:38, 17 October 2008 (EDT).

Again cleaning. Was looking for information about Coimbra e Madrid and found a few reviews saying it has bed -bugs and is not clean. I am going to delete it because that doesn't sound like a place I want to send wikitravelers.Trew 14:30, 20 November 2008 (EST)

Fundação Arpad Szenes / Vieira da Silva

There is a listing for this in the see or do section. I am trying to find more information on it but am coming up short mostly because I can't read Portages. I think it is a festival or a museum but can't get farther than that. Can someone help fill in this. Thanks Trew 13:32, 16 October 2008 (EDT)Trew

Done! Texugo 02:24, 17 October 2008 (EDT)

Restauradores Hotel?

I have search high and low for information about Restauradores, Praça dos Restauradores, 13, and have come up dry. I have found some things that at the location but nothing much about a hotel in that area. Does anyone know about this place or is it a phantom? Can it be deleted?Trew 14:19, 20 November 2008 (EST)

views from Santa Justa's Elevator

I removed this piece from description for "Santa Justa's Elevator", as it looks like an overstatement from my experience:

It offers some of the best views of the city.

Clearly any viewpoint can easily compete with it. Well, views are good but not any close to best. Maybe we can be more descriptive here to get a better understanding of what to expect? --DenisYurkin 14:56, 17 October 2009 (EDT)

shopping: streets and districts to recommend?

Currently we have a very small piece of advice on "where to go for shopping" [2]:

From Praça do Comércio (aka Terreiro do Paço) to the Restauradores, the Baixa is the old shopping district in the city. It includes pedestrian Rua Augusta which has the most boring and mass-visitor tourist stores, and several European chain clothing stores like Zara, H&M, Campers.

I clearly won't recommend for those seeking anything special beyond ubiquitos mass-market chain stores to go to Baixa. But after a single several-days visit I can only recommend a Chiado for some independent shops and informal brands like Crumpler.

Can someone come up with more recommendations per shopping category? Independent fashion designers (mainstream and alternative)? More places for informal brands like Crumpler? Good selection of designer eyewear? Recommended shops for buying fado or other local music? Best places to shop for porcelain? --DenisYurkin 16:11, 17 October 2009 (EDT)

intro for Eat

I removed the following piece from #Eat:

Eating out is deliciously bewildering in Lisbon and with some of the best-value cafes and restaurants in Europe, it's a great way to sample a smorgasboard of Portugese treats.

What did this mean to say? My English is not perfect, however:

  • deliciously bewildering -- what does it mean in this context? Surprisingly good? Surprising but still leaves a mix feeling? Somethig else? What does it mean practically for an average traveler?
  • a great way to sample a smorgasboard of Portugese treats: is smorgasboard used literally here? If so, it's misleading; if it's metaphorical--could we state the same idea with simpler words?

Overall, what is the main idea we want to give with this piece? --DenisYurkin 16:20, 17 October 2009 (EDT)

removed listings

Just for information: on a separate page (Lisbon/Wikitravel:Removed listings) I saved listings that are legitimate an in line with policy, but removed for subjective reasons:

  • Pap'Açorda removed for "negative reviews" ([3])
  • A Confraria for "don't list non-outstanding restaurants that are part of hotels which are already listed" ([4])

I saved them in that page for the case if I was wrong with my subjective conclusions, and they should be restored instead. --DenisYurkin 12:35, 23 October 2009 (EDT)

Top 10 places to shop in the world

Is that serious?

... makes Chiado, together with Avenida da Liberdade, one of the Top 10 places to shop in the world.

Is there any (un)official rating of top 10 places to shop? I mean, does it seriously compete even in world brands like listed in that paragraph? (and I can't say it's very competitive in breadth of local brands and designers--which is another point of view on what's one of the top places to shop should boast) --DenisYurkin 17:49, 17 November 2009 (EST)

Vacation Rental Agencies?

A few days ago, the Vacation Rental section (under the name "Apartments") was available, but now it was removed. I have tried to create it, but says the info I want to add was blocked by the filter spam. I suppose this section would improve Lisbon article. It is not possible to add the section again?—The preceding comment was added by Ttl (talkcontribs)

Hi Raul! As already explained on user page our Apartment listing doesn't allow your listing and your touty entries have been reverted. As you didn't followed our guidelines your business has been blacklisted due to your edit warring and don't tout policy. The section will stay permanently deleted as i is not in line with our policies. jan 05:53, 14 June 2010 (EDT)
Hello! Thank you for the answer! Please let me insist a little bit more, based on the guidelines of Apartment listing.

Regarding the several points: 1. I am trying to get the consensus to allow the page. 2. The separate sub-section is not a problem at all. 3. We do have a local address with a phone number that specifies the physical address at the destination for picking up the keys, managing the property and/or resolving rental issues. We also have a 24 hour phone, so the guests can contact the agency at anytime. Our address is shown in our website (contact area). 4. Our apartments are available for a week rental or even less. At the moment, in Lisbon, there are several agencies of this site. I really think this is an additional value to the page. It is cheaper than a hotel for the travelers and allows travelers to live in typical neighborhoods. I think my arguments meet the points referenced.

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