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As an aside and not a precursor to guide status, I am exploring whether I could knock together a general districts map for the city.--[[User:Burmesedays|Burmesedays]] 06:12, 9 April 2010 (EDT)
 
As an aside and not a precursor to guide status, I am exploring whether I could knock together a general districts map for the city.--[[User:Burmesedays|Burmesedays]] 06:12, 9 April 2010 (EDT)
 
:I am wondering about the Kochi/Cochin thing as to whether the old name is kept in certain place or event names. For example, it could be the case that the Cochin Carnival or the Cochin Golf Club actually use "Cochin" as part of their event/club name.
 
:I am wondering about the Kochi/Cochin thing as to whether the old name is kept in certain place or event names. For example, it could be the case that the Cochin Carnival or the Cochin Golf Club actually use "Cochin" as part of their event/club name.
:Incidentally, I would like to see a lot more phone number, websites, and hours for the listing before it goes to guide status. [[User:Texugo|Texugo]] 06:41, 9 April 2010 (EDT)
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Hi buddies, Yes even today many people continues to refer Kochi as Cochin and vice-versa. This is because, earlier during British Raj days, Cochin was the English name used to refer British Cochin, whereas in all Royal records of Kochi Kingdom which was in Malayalam used to refer the place as Kochi. Hence usage of both names became common. In 1997, the govt of Kerala made an official policy to use Malayalam name of all cities, following the National policy of renaming most of cities. However the Kerala govt policy was restricted to renaming Trivandrum into Thiruvananthapuram, whereas no official order was passed in regard to Kochi, due to ambiguity exists, whether Cochin was the official name of the city or not. As as result most of the govt websites and tourism dept used to call the city as KOCHI, whereas most of the private establishments used to refer the city as COCHIN, which is commonly referred in many places.
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:For example Kochi's airport is called Cochin International Airport Limited (CIAL). The golf clubs, yacht club, marina, Naval base, Shipyard etc continues to be known as Cochin.
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:Another issue is that there is no single place called COCHIN or KOCHI. It is a collective name, for all the distinct districts of the city. This makes naming more complex - KISH 9:30, 9 April 2010 (IST)
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::Opening hours have never really been a hang up for guide status have they? Star of course, but for guide? Some more phone numbers, yep, I see what you mean. I know it is not really relevant, but have a look around at a lot of our guide articles and this one is in at least as decent a shape now. To quote: ''Guide - The article would be helpful for the average traveler, such as offering alternatives for where to stay and eat, what to see and do, how to get in and out, etc. and provide enough information for at least a few days there. But at least a few things are missing to make this a star article. It follows the manual of style in spirit if not in detail.''--[[User:Burmesedays|Burmesedays]] 07:47, 9 April 2010 (EDT)
 
::Opening hours have never really been a hang up for guide status have they? Star of course, but for guide? Some more phone numbers, yep, I see what you mean. I know it is not really relevant, but have a look around at a lot of our guide articles and this one is in at least as decent a shape now. To quote: ''Guide - The article would be helpful for the average traveler, such as offering alternatives for where to stay and eat, what to see and do, how to get in and out, etc. and provide enough information for at least a few days there. But at least a few things are missing to make this a star article. It follows the manual of style in spirit if not in detail.''--[[User:Burmesedays|Burmesedays]] 07:47, 9 April 2010 (EDT)

Revision as of 16:25, 9 April 2010

As we're still using Madras for Chennai and Bombay for Mumbai, I suspect this page should be moved to Cochin, or has "Kochi" been established as the most frequently used name in the traveller's community? Akubra 16:28, 6 Apr 2004 (EDT)

I found this to be quite a problem when traveling around India (particularly travelling by train). Most towns or cities seem to have two or more names which are used interchangeably by the locals.

I'd like to second moving this to Cochin — partly to disambiguate from Japan's Kochi prefecture on the island of Shikoku. Jpatokal
Unlike Madras and Bombay, Kochi was always called as Kochi by people of Keralam, so comparison to Madras and Bombay is not right. Personally I dont mind moving to name cochin. But what Jpatokal done is vandalism by changing content of the page. -bijee
Huh? Either we call it Cochin or Kochi, but not both in the same article! Jpatokal 12:37, 18 Oct 2004 (EDT)
So I corrected it to Kochi -Bijee
If we can agree on Kochi (and this needs a few more opinions), the article should be moved to "Kochi (India)" since there is also a Japanese Kochi. Jpatokal 22:37, 18 Oct 2004 (EDT)
"Kochi (India)" is again disambigus as Current Kochi is formed by unification of Old Kochi City and Ernakulam City. So better option will be moving to Kochi-Ernakulam. Also pl. move Japanese Kochi to Kochi prefecture then create a disambiguation page like wikipedia:Kochi -Bijee
Kochi is both a prefecture and a city in Japan. "Kochi-Ernakulam" is not an option because we have to use the most common name of the city. Jpatokal 02:56, 19 Oct 2004 (EDT)
Then why not keep your page at "Kochi (Japan)" and original page at Kochi with a link to "Kochi (Japan)" -Bijee

Contents

Towns in Kochi regions

added towns in Ernakulam District.

Uhhhh, is Kochi a city or a region or both? From reading the page it seems to jump around from talking about districts / regions / towns-within-towns and so on. Quit a muddle. I'll try and work on it, but anyone with actual knowledge of the ara please jump in! Majnoona 14:38, 13 Feb 2006 (EST)

should have a disambiguation page

Kochi which is the common name for this town takes us to Kochi in Japan. I think there should be a disambiguation page.

wow, what a mess!

As I understand it, Kochi is a city, which encompasses Ernakulam, Ft. Cochin and the other nearby islands. I spent a few months in the area earlier this year, and this seems to be pretty standard... it is also the way it's described in the popular guidebooks such as LP... Cacahuate 09:34, 22 October 2006 (EDT)

Archived VfD for Kochi (Kerala)

  • Delete: duplication of Cochin, maybe copied from Cochin. -- Tatata 09:13, 16 May 2009 (EDT)
Shouldn't it be redirected then? ChubbyWimbus 09:52, 16 May 2009 (EDT)
Yes, it should be redirected. Pashley 01:39, 1 June 2009 (EDT)
Out of curiosity, why is it "Cochin" on Wikitravel when the city is more widely known as Kochi? Even on the article itself, it is referred to as Kochi everywhere except as its page name. It seems like Cochin should redirect to Kochi. ChubbyWimbus 11:02, 9 June 2009 (EDT)
Actually, the up-to-date name is Kochi [1]. Anyone against a reverse redirect? ChubbyWimbus 19:47, 27 June 2009 (EDT)

Kochi or Cochin

This has been brought up numerous times on this talk page and I brought it up on the vote for deletion, but since it was archived without a decision being reached, I'd like to bring this one up again: Isn't "Cochin" the old and outdated name for this city? Isn't "Kochi" both the most common reference to this city, as well as the actual name of the city (hence the most common way to refer to it)?

The initial discussion of this doesn't make any sense. It was dismissed because the "name is taken" by the Japanese city, but some cities do have the same name. The Indian city is by far better known than the Japanese city, but that doesn't matter. Why can't they both be allowed to exist under their actual names?

If the problem is simply that no one wants to take the time to move the content, I'll offer to do it myself. The disambiguation page is already there. It'd be nice to address this directly rather than continuously ignoring or glossing over it. ChubbyWimbus 22:11, 5 August 2009 (EDT)

I was actually going to move Cochin to Kochi (Kerala) when I closed the VfD, but then I noticed that Cacahuate had already redirected it the other way (on the same day the article was nommed, actually). It would be fairly simple to delete the redirect and move Cochin if that's what we want to do. LtPowers 08:12, 6 August 2009 (EDT)
OK I did the renaming. The assumption is that Kochi did not have any useful history, which seems to be the case. There are many instances of "Cochin" through the article that need to be replaced. I will get to them, but if anyone wants to have a go, please feel free. — Ravikiran 09:12, 6 August 2009 (EDT)
OK done. Looks like lots of hotels, etc. still have Cochin in their name, so they stay. — Ravikiran 09:20, 6 August 2009 (EDT)

LOL

I don't understand if I'm reading a travel guide or a history book? Too much information :P. -SnappyHip 22:50, 9 March 2010 (GST)

blood banks

Hospital info is potentially useful, but is it necessary to list Blood Banks? Shep 17:04, 26 March 2010 (EDT)

Jewelry stores

Do we really need sixteen jewelry stores? Given the already ridiculously long Buy section, I think we can get by with one or two, max. Texugo 03:28, 27 March 2010 (EDT)

No we don't. This article is getting very unwieldy and is out of control just as the Kerala state article became. Going back to correct all of this later is a huge amount of work as I have found with Kerala.--Burmesedays 03:31, 27 March 2010 (EDT)


  • Paul Alukkas Jewellery‎, opposite Maharaja`s College Stadium, MG Road. A large jeweller, featuring gold, diamond and silver collections.
  • Malabar Gold, Jewel Junction, Opposite Grand Hotel, MG Road. An extensive gold, platinum and diamond collection as well a latest international brand watches.
  • Joy Alukkas, Alukkas Wedding Center, Marine Drive. An international chain which originated in Kochi.
  • Bhima Jewels, Jewel Junction, MG Road. A traditional jeweller with a large collection of precious stones and a diamond gallery.
  • Josco Jewellers, North End, MG Road. Offers whole-sale rates for bulk purchases. Spread over 4 storeys, it has different levels for diamond, silver and platinum collections.
  • Tanishq Jewellers, Padma Junction, MG Road. A national brand owned by the TATA group, this jeweller is famous for its unique exclusive patented jewel designs, featuring in-house crafted Mughal, Rajasthani and Kerala designs.
  • Sunny Diamonds‎, Rajaji Road (Chittoor Road area). A celebrated diamond house, featuring original Belgian diamonds, with international warranties. It also has one of the largest De Beers diamond collections in Kochi.
  • D'Damas, KPCC Junction, MG Road. A reputed national chain, one of the oldest diamond traders in India. It features a large collection of in-house branded diamond jewellery.

I cut the above listings, leaving four in the article. Two of them I chose because they have more complete details, and two of them are more or less random. Feel free to swap some back and forth if you have personal knowledge of the shops, but please let's not go back up to a full directory of jewelers. Texugo 11:07, 7 April 2010 (EDT)

Nominations for Guide status

I am nominating Kochi page for guide status, whats your opinions, Buddies?- Kish 19:56, 31 March 2010 (IST)

I'm going to say "maybe not yet". The See and Do sections are both almost completely devoid of addresses, phone number, websites, etc. Plus, there are still large chunks of text which contain numerous grammar errors. Texugo 10:18, 31 March 2010 (EDT)
You don't really need to nominate for guide status, you can just change it. However, in this case I think it would be changed right back to usable again. Texugo hits most of the issues above. The biggest for me are:
  • the article is stylistically and grammatically poor,
  • some sections are way, way too long
  • there are almost no listings templates used throughout
  • the see and do sections lack addresses (or directions), contact details etc
This will be worked through in time (as is happening with Kerala, which is about half done)), and I think Kochi will be up to guide standard after that. --Burmesedays 10:40, 31 March 2010 (EDT)
After a lot of editing by Texugo and myself, it is getting there. The Buy, Eat and Drink sections still need a lot more editing, but the rest is in decent shape now I think.--Burmesedays 13:29, 3 April 2010 (EDT)

Generic fast food outlets

I moved these out of the article. I sugggest two sentences is enough, and these listings are a waste of space, except perhaps the uniquely Kochi establishments. --Burmesedays 02:27, 1 April 2010 (EDT)

  • K.R Chicken, Palarivattom Junction; Vytilla Junction; Kadavanthara Junction; Thevara and Banerjee Road. Found in many prominent junctions, KR Hot Chicken is very famous Kochinites. Its fast, delicious and answer to International chains like KFC Budget.
  • Chic King, KPCC Junction-MG Road; Civil Lines-Palarivattom; Byepass Junction-Aluva. It looks, smells and tastes pretty much more better than KFC. This is a global fast food chain based in Dubai. It has good Chicken Meals, Burger and Wraps combos at very moderate pricing. Extremely popular among youngsters Normal.
  • Marry Brown Express, Food court, Bay Pride Mall, Marine Drive. Famous Malayasian Food chain, its famous for its burgers, wraps, combos and hot chicken. Normal.
  • China Town, Food court, Bay Pride Mall, Marine Drive. Very tasty fast Chinese food. Normal.
  • Luciya’s Food Court, Civil Lanes, Near Padivattom Junction, Palarivattom Area. It comprises of 5 Food outlets, Malabar, Tandoori, Thai, Burgerworld and Juicy Bites. The Thai, is one of the authentic thai food stalls in Kochi, which is extremely popular Normal.
  • KFC, Gold Souk Grande’, NH Byepass Road, Vytilla. The World famous Col.Sander’s Original and Hot crispy Chicken is here. However, it offers Indianized version, rather than International recipes. The Masalader Chicken Wings is the most tastiest ones and really unique. Normal.
  • Arabian Treat, Food Circle-Oberon Mall and Food Circle- Manorama Junction, SA Road. The most fabulous Arabian eatery in the town, providing really good world-class arabic cuisine. Lots of grill options and large quantity. Normal.
  • Papa's Milano, Food Circle-Oberon Mall and Food Circle- Manorama Junction, SA Road. Italian styled Subs and Pizzas, on model of Subway, where you can get custom-made pizzas, pastas and subs of your choice and ingredient. It has many good range of pizza options and all are custom-made right in front of your eyes. Normal.
  • Noodle King, Food Circle-Oberon Mall and Food Circle- Manorama Junction, SA Road. A popular Indian food chain company that offers the best of Oriental food, with lots of Indo-Chinese-Thai options. String Noodles and Crispy Chickens are some of the signature food worth to try. Normal.
  • Pizza Hut, South Railway Junction- Between Jos Jn and Chitoor Road South Jn, Hotel Joys. 11:00 am to 11:00 pm. World famous PIZZA HUT, is a hot spot among young generation. Lots of Indianized Pizza options along with World pizzas. The advantage is that, the menu changes on every 6 months, with more new new items and really cost effective if going together with friends or family. Very good Pastas and Arabic stylized pizza wraps. Expensive if for individual, whereas highly cost effective if its more than 4 members. Lots of side options sightly expensive.
  • Domino's Pizza, Near HDFC bank- Atlantis Junction-Ravipuram side of MG Road. 11:00 am to 11:00 pm. World famous Domino's, is a hot spot among young generation. Good Pizzas, but only international varieties. But good and good for individual option, as individually wise it won't cost when compared to Pizza Hut. sightly expensive.
  • Bimbis Self Serve, Jos Junction MG road; Menaka Marine drive. Bimbis is a household name in Kochi City. Very famous for its Fast Self serve food options. It has 2 branches. One located in Jos Junction is the largest and the other in Menaka in Marine Drive. The Self Serve is pure veg restaurant offering fast North Indian and South Indian options. Best for backpackers and budget tourists. Bimbis is very famous for its North Indian sweets as well as South Indian. The Jaleebis is very unique and most tastier.
  • Pai Dosas, Opposite Karalkada, MG Road (Just opposite side of TD Temple Gate in MG Road, Near Kavitha). 07:30 PM-6:00 AM. One of the traditional Fast food trademark of Kochi, that holds the record of having largest variety of Dosas (61 Varieties) in Veg and Non Veg options. Its a very popular night time eatery, that works till early morning, serving really unique dosas. The taste is something unique, which can't be experienced anywhere. You can also custom-design your favourite dosas and stuff with almost every imaginable eligible item. Ideal for budget tourists, as prices are damn cheap.

Bus routes

We don't need to know every bus stop of every route. I'm putting this here, and hopefully someone can make a single short paragraph or so of what is useful to the traveller. Texugo 00:27, 3 April 2010 (EDT)


The main bus routes are

ROUTE 1- ALUVA-FORT COCHIN

Many key routes that pass through the city (from ALUVA etc to Fort Kochi/Thevara Jn etc) will have the following route/stops

  1. Kalamassery Apollo Junction
  2. South Kalamassery Junction- (Closest point to go Cochin University)
  3. Edapally Toll Gate (Its from here NH Byepass road starts)
  4. Palarivattom
  5. Kaloor (interchange for Long Distance Private Bus Services for Kottayam, Palai, Changanacheri, Mundakayam, Erumeli, Pathanamthitha etc.& night services towads Calicut, Kannur, Wayanad)
  6. Lissie Jn (Some Private Long Distance Luxury Bus Operators)
  7. Town Hall (Closest point to Ernakulam Town (North) Station)
  8. Kacheripady Jn (KSRTC State Transport Bus Stand - 1 km away & MG Road Start)

Some buses split here to take a turn towards left to proceed to Chittoor Road. Some buses take the next left turn from PNVM Junction to enter into MG Road and proceed towards Thevera thro' MG Road. However most of the buses continue their journey from Kacheripady thro' the main Banerjee Road to,

  1. High Court Junction (KSINC Boat Jetty for Ferry to Vypeen, Mulavukad, Panambukadu, Ochanthurth, Murikkumpadam & Bolgatty. Align here to catch reverse Route 3 bus operated by private ordinary Bus Services to Vypeen,Cherai Beach,Munabam,North Paravur,Kodungallur via Goshree Bridges starts from here)
  2. Menaka Junction (Those who need to go to South Railway station or Tripunithara side, to catch Route 2 Bus, must align here and catch bus Route 2 bus from first bus stand in Menaka)
  3. Hospital Junction (align here to reach KSRTC Park Avenue Bus station. Long Distance Private Bus Services to Guruvayoor,Thrissur, Calicut,Irinjalakuda,Kodungallur,North Paravur)
  4. KPCC Junction, MG Road
  5. South Area- MG Road (Nearest to South Railway Station)
  6. Pallimukku
  7. Atlantis Junction (Align, if you have to catch Route 4 buses)
  8. Thevera Junction
  9. Willington Island- Naval Base Stop
  10. Island Stop
  11. Thoppumpaddy Main stand
  12. Fort Cochin- Terminus

ROUTE 2, MENAKA-THRIPUNITHARA

There are many buses start from Aluva, serving on previous route (Route 1, from Aluva) till Menaka and restart in following order.

  1. Hospital Junction
  2. KPCC Junction
  3. Chittoor Road Junction
  4. South Bus Stand (the major bus stand just 100 mtrs from South Railway station)
  5. Valanjambalam
  6. Manorama Junction
  7. GCDA Kochu Kadavanthara Stop
  8. Kadavanthara Stop
  9. Janatha stop
  10. Vytilla Bus Stand (a major junction, from where buses to Edapally and Northern areas can be caught at Right Stand, buses to Alleppey, Cherthala etc can be caught at Left Stand, Vaikom and Kottayam at North Stand and City buses at south Stand)
  11. Petta Stop
  12. Vakekotta Stop
  13. Thripunithara Terminus

Some buses proceed further to Udayamperoor, Vaikom direction too after stopping at Thripunithara Terminus

ROUTE 3 VVPIN-HIGH COURT JUNCTION

  1. Cherai
  2. Njarakkal
  3. Vvpin
  4. Vallarpadom
  5. Bolghatty
  6. High Court Main Boat Jetty (Boat Jetty for Ferry to Vypeen, Fort Kochi, Mattencherry, Willingdon Island) Buses of Route 1 and Route 2 can be caught from this area, to proceed further

ROUTE 4- ATLANTIS-KAKKANAD

  1. Shipyard Stand
  2. Atlantis Stand (Deviates to side road of shipyard)
  3. Church Landing (near to Pallimukku)
  4. Foreshore Road
  5. Park Avenue
  6. Marine Drive
  7. Kaloor
  8. Palarivattom Civil Lane Stop
  9. Padivattom Byepass Junction
  10. Chembumukku
  11. Padamugal
  12. Kakkanad Civil Station
  13. Infopark

All these services have a reverse service route too.

Buses from/to North Paravur follow the following broad route Kaloor Jn., Edapally,Varapuzha,North Paravur

Some services may operate directly between Alwaye, Edapally, Kakkanad and Vytilla Jn using the Byepass Road via Palarivattom Bye Pass.

Some buses take a turn at Kaloor Junction to enter into Kaloor-Kathrikadu Road, which byepass entering into city and takes to Kadavanthara.

LOW FLOOR A/C BUS ROUTE

Route A- Thoppumpaddy Bus Stand to Airport, via Thevera Bridge, Kundanoor, NH BYEPASS, Vytilla Junction, Padivattom, Edapally Toll Gate, Kalamaserry, Aluva, Desom, Airport.

Route B- Aroor-Angamally by Seaport-Airport road, covering Kakkanad, Thripunithara, Aluva and Angamally


My edit message reads: After all the help you are getting with this article, the least you can do is to please stop writing in CAPITALS. Moved to talk page.. YOU sort it out --Burmesedays 09:49, 3 April 2010 (EDT) Route 1: Alubas-FORT KOCHI, connecting Aluva town with Fort Kochi via Kalamassery, Edapally, Palarivattom, Kaloor, Lissie Jn, Town Hall Junction (near to North Railway station), Kacheripady, High Court, Menaka, South Area-MG Road, Atlantis, Thevera, Willington Island, Thomppumpaddy, Mattencherry.

Route 2- ALUVA-THRIPUNITHARA, connecting between Aluva town with Thripunithara Terminus. The bus routes services almost all stops of Route and divert from Menaka to Chitoor Road, South Bus stand (near South Railway station), Manorama Jn, Vytilla Jn, Thripunithara terminus. Some of the bus connect further down south of Thripunithara too.

Route 3- VYPIN ISLAND-HIGH COURT, connecting Cherai Beach with High Junction in city, via Njarrakal, Vypin island, Vallarpadom island, Bolgatty island and end at High Court jn, where route 1 and 2 buses can be caught.

Route 4- ATLANTIS-KAKKANAD, connecting from Atlantis Jn in MG Road to Kakkanad via Shipyard, Foreshore Road, Park Avenue, Marine Drive, Kacheripady, Town Hall Jn, Kaloor, Palarivattom, Chembamukku, Padamugal and Infopark

There are several other small routes, virtually connecting every part of the city.

LOW FLOOR A/C BUS ROUTE

Route A- Thoppumpaddy Bus Stand to Airport, via Thevera Bridge, Kundanoor, NH BYEPASS, Vytilla Junction, Padivattom, Edapally Toll Gate, Kalamaserry, Aluva, Desom, Airport.

Route B- Aroor-Angamally by Seaport-Airport road, covering Kakkanad, Thripunithara, Aluva and Angamally --Burmesedays 09:49, 3 April 2010 (EDT)

A wiki Map for Kochi

Hi buddies,

Is someone here possible to make a wikistyle map for Kochi city, that helps to understand the city more better for tourists...... I have no idea how to develop a wiki map- --Kish 21:30, 05 April 2010 (IST)

See Wikitravel:How to draw a map for some instructions that might help. -- Ryan • (talk) • 13:19, 5 April 2010 (EDT)

Infoboxes

Airport Enquiry

  • General Enquiry- +91-484-3053000
  • Flight Status, Airline Desk Transfers- +91-484-2610115/2611322/2610033
  • Emirates Inquiry- +91-484-2611194/95
  • Air India Inquiry- +91-484-2610050
  • Jet Airways- +91-484-2611340

Rail Enquiry

  • ERS Arrival/Departure Enquiry- 131, 133
  • ERS Reservation Enquiry- 132, 1361, 0484 -2353751
  • ERN General Enquiry- 0484-2395198

City Bus Tariffs

  • Minimum Charge- Rs 4 for first 5 Km
  • 55 Paise per Km for every subsequent Km after Minimum charge

A/C Volvo service

  • Minimum charge- Rs 10 for first 5 Km
  • Rs 2 per Km for every subsequent Km after Minimum charge

Regular Auto Tariffs

  • Flag Down Charge/Minimum Charge- Rs 10 for first 1.25 Km
  • Rs 6 per Km for every subsequent Km after Minimum charge
  • 10% premium as night charges (7:00 PM-6:00 AM)

Regular Taxi Tariffs

  • Flag Down Charge/Minimum Charge- Rs 50 for first 3 Kms
  • Rs 8 per Km for every subsequent Km after Minimum charge
  • 10% premium to above rate, if the taxi is air-conditioned
  • 15% premium as Night charges (7:00 PM-6:00 AM)
  • Airport-City transfer charges Non A/C- Rs 650, A/C- Rs 750
  • Full day services- Standard Non A/c:- Rs 1100 for maximum of 10 hours and 110 Kms
  • Full day services- Standard A/C:- Rs 1500 for maximum of 10 hours and 80 Kms

I'm going to go ahead and take issue with using infoboxes for this purpose here. There are getting to be too many of them, and some of the information is of dubious value. Let's find another way. Texugo 02:35, 6 April 2010 (EDT)

Hi Texugo, can u clarify which part of the information is dubious?- Kish 18:22, 6 April 2010 (IST)
Four phone numbers for the airport and six for the rail terminal seems like overkill, and the two airlines probably belong on the India page with a more complete listing and not here. Moreover, I think the useful rate information that is there can be presented a lot more succinctly in prose form in the main text.Texugo 09:02, 6 April 2010 (EDT)


Buy section

Gonna start cutting a little more aggressively, since this article is still one of the longest messes we have. The buy section in particular is a mess of too many options. I started off by cutting the jewelry section to just four listings (see discussion above). Next, I'm cutting the whole electronics section because 1) I'm not sure I believe that electronics are really particularly cheaper than other Indian cities, 2) PCs and many consumer electronics and "white goods" are simply too big for the average to pick up anyway, 3) buying cell phones in another country is not necessarily as simple as just picking one up, and I don't think many travellers go to a foreign country to shop for them. Here's what I yanked:

Electronics

You can buy electronic gadgets at comparatively low rates. for the latest technology, Kochi hosts many large consumer electronics fairs.

Computers and accessories

  • Apple store in Kadavantra,
  • Dell Store in Kadvanthara,
  • HP Store in Oberon Mall
  • Toshibha in Palarivattom and Oberon Mall
  • Lenovo Shop near Edapally High School Junction
  • Sony World located in Atlantis-MG Road as well as in NH Byepass Road
  • Focuz Computers in Banerjee Road-North End offers multi-brand computers and laptops
  • Online IT-Shoppe in Ravipuram and Atlantis Junction in MG road, offers a large collection of latest computer systems of all brands and almost all kind of accessories
  • ITNet Infocom in Sreekandath Road, is famous for its good range of systems, at amazing discounts

Mobile phones

Almost everywhere, you will find small and medium sized shops selling the latest international and national brand phones.

  • Penta Menaka Mobile Mall and 'GCDA Shopping Complex both in Marine Drive are malls purely dedicated to mobile phones and accessories.

Consumer Electronics

For electronics and accessories, there are many stores mostly located in MG Road, Marine Drive and the Palarivattom area. The Electronics Street, oppostie Medical Trust, Pallimukku, is one of the best places for rock bottom prices.

Large white goods centers like QRS (in MG Road and in NH Bypass Road), White Planet (MG Road) and Bismi (Kaloor, near Stadium), are worth a visit.


Texugo 11:38, 7 April 2010 (EDT)



Hi Texugo

I do not know whether you been to India. Any how I have travelled across many leading cities of Europe as well as Middle East, only to find rates of most of electronics products at half rates in India than in these countries. Recently I brought a Dell laptop from Dubai for AED 4200 (US$1143), however to my surprise I found the same system at Kochi for Rs 38,000 (US$ 855). I used to believe since there is no taxes at Dubai the rate would be lower, but to my surprise in Kochi its more cheaper, making feel frustrated. Even in mobiles and many white goods like cameras, personal grooming or dvd players, the rates are damn more better than many other countries as most of the global majors make India-specific products as India is more price-sensitive country than other regions.

I also found that Kochi has more better prices than other major metros like Bangalore or Delhi, as the city dominated by middle class people, hence more price sensitive than other regions. I wish to recommend that we must have a electronic section in buy, because many foreign tourists are unaware of this major difference in prices than many glitz countries like Singapore or Dubai Kish- 10:30, 7 April 2010 (IST)

OK, you restored it all, and I won't blank it again for now but... I can perhaps be convinced that a brief mention and a couple of the best listings might be ok, but I remain wholly unconvinced that we need a section of this size with 15+ listings, because I think most travellers are not interested in buying large consumer electronics, proprietary cell phones, appliances, or expensive cameras while travelling. I'd like to see some others' opinions on this. Texugo 02:00, 8 April 2010 (EDT)
I would agree with Texugo. Buying electronics is surely not a common reason for travel to Kochi. Naming a couple of stores or just a brief prose summary is sufficient.--Burmesedays 09:01, 8 April 2010 (EDT)

Almost ready for guide

Almost. I have finished the drink sections now. I would suggest the following still needs to happen before the article is upgraded to guide:

  • Buy section still needs culling - see Apparel and Bookshop sections for example.
  • A thorough proof read needs to happen.
  • All references to Cochin should be changed to Kochi (except in the context of the city changing name etc.)--Burmesedays 06:11, 9 April 2010 (EDT)

As an aside and not a precursor to guide status, I am exploring whether I could knock together a general districts map for the city.--Burmesedays 06:12, 9 April 2010 (EDT)

I am wondering about the Kochi/Cochin thing as to whether the old name is kept in certain place or event names. For example, it could be the case that the Cochin Carnival or the Cochin Golf Club actually use "Cochin" as part of their event/club name.

Hi buddies, Yes even today many people continues to refer Kochi as Cochin and vice-versa. This is because, earlier during British Raj days, Cochin was the English name used to refer British Cochin, whereas in all Royal records of Kochi Kingdom which was in Malayalam used to refer the place as Kochi. Hence usage of both names became common. In 1997, the govt of Kerala made an official policy to use Malayalam name of all cities, following the National policy of renaming most of cities. However the Kerala govt policy was restricted to renaming Trivandrum into Thiruvananthapuram, whereas no official order was passed in regard to Kochi, due to ambiguity exists, whether Cochin was the official name of the city or not. As as result most of the govt websites and tourism dept used to call the city as KOCHI, whereas most of the private establishments used to refer the city as COCHIN, which is commonly referred in many places.

For example Kochi's airport is called Cochin International Airport Limited (CIAL). The golf clubs, yacht club, marina, Naval base, Shipyard etc continues to be known as Cochin.
Another issue is that there is no single place called COCHIN or KOCHI. It is a collective name, for all the distinct districts of the city. This makes naming more complex - KISH 9:30, 9 April 2010 (IST)


Opening hours have never really been a hang up for guide status have they? Star of course, but for guide? Some more phone numbers, yep, I see what you mean. I know it is not really relevant, but have a look around at a lot of our guide articles and this one is in at least as decent a shape now. To quote: Guide - The article would be helpful for the average traveler, such as offering alternatives for where to stay and eat, what to see and do, how to get in and out, etc. and provide enough information for at least a few days there. But at least a few things are missing to make this a star article. It follows the manual of style in spirit if not in detail.--Burmesedays 07:47, 9 April 2010 (EDT)

Map

I have knocked together a map of the Kochi area and added it to the article. This is not intended to be a city map with attractions, but a broad scope map showing the layout of the area, the main routes in, the airport etc. Very much a first draft, and comments are requested. I am sure I have left off some important place names for example.--Burmesedays 11:22, 9 April 2010 (EDT)

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