Helsinki page is giving an error and is not displayed. Someone please correct!
Is it really so scary down here that we need such a huge text block to explain that it actually isn't that dangerous at all? As far as I know, apart from drunken fights the only dangerous thing here are the slippery pavements.
-- I added once removed warning about crossing the streets; it's indeed very relevant for foreign visitors that came from countries where pedestrians can take it granted that their rights will be respected (re: http://www.hs.fi/kaupunki/artikkeli/Helsingiss%C3%A4+loukkaantuneet+norjalaiset+ovat+toipumassa/1135229433299)
Also, I think it is worthwhile destination information to underline that Helsinki *is* exceptionally safe to walk around and that there is no need to stay in the hotel and limit the excursions to clear daylight even if you're not of the young and adventurious type; my experience is that there are foreign cities where the good citizens shun the idea of entering the streets by foot after the darkness falls and any streets outside the neon-lit area are practically abandoned by the pedestrians.
The murder rate in Helsinki is much higher than almost all other European cities. 12.5 per 100,000 people per year compared to about 2 for dublin, london, vienna, rome, oslo etc. The murder rate in Helsinki is actually 2.55 Not 12.5 There is error in BBC source http://www.hs.fi/kotimaa/artikkeli/Maakunnissa+enemm%C3%A4n+henkirikoksia+kuin+Helsingiss%C3%A4/1135233424670
Question concerning content
Hi, just some 1 week ago I was visiting the cathedral and at multiple spots paint came off the wall. Thus I'm a little surpised to read "the cathedral has recently been refurbished and looks better than ever" - when was this refurbishment? Or was it only at the outside? Thanks for that info, Schoschi of de.wikitravel.org
Get-Around-section: What about cars - about parking in city centre to be more precise (fees, places etc?)
Drink-section: Maybe divided into subsections: citycenter, Uudenmaankatu and surroundigs, Kallio?
Party-section: Nightclubs shouldn't be to hard... there aren't that many. I don't have much expertise in that area, though.
Shop-section: Not my area either...
btw, If you add restaurants which are not in the center (or vicinity), we should probably create subsections there too.
Destination of the month
As this article will be the DotM for August, I think it might be a good idea if we all give it a once-over for manual of style compatibility. It looks good, but I've seen a few things that could use some more info, and some of these URLs need to be unpacked. --Evan 08:17, 28 Jul 2005 (EDT)
So I put this down as a "guide" but I think someone could argue it's a star. I think what it's lacking is a "tourist-style map" but I'm not sure if what's there would count. Comments?. Majnoona 22:48, 20 Nov 2005 (EST)
Similary to Stockholm
What makes Helsinki similar to Stockholm? Since it's reading in the article. Does Stockholm have the Russian empire like architecture like Helsinki does, from what I know it does not. I find it deceptive and it should be changed. OR if not then please explane!
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Focus on Helsinki?
I'm wondering about the focus of this article; should it be on the city of Helsinki alone or should the whole metropolitan area be covered? On one hand the three major cities (Helsinki, Espoo and Vantaa) work pretty much in cooperation and the municipality distinction is somewhat artificial — the international airport is actually located in Vantaa and "Helsinki" University of Technology is located in Espoo — but on the other hand, they are three distinct cities.
It just seems a bit odd that these three major Finnish cities (1st, 2nd and 4th largest as far as population goes) are all covered in one article (Espoo and Vantaa currently redirect to the Helsinki article) while much smaller cities and towns in Finland have their own articles. Furthermore, is a visitor to Helsinki really going to take the bus to Iso Omena or Myyrmanni malls when shopping? Jopo 08:14, 21 August 2006 (EDT)
hel.fi vs helsinki.fi
So, some obscure history... the U of Helsinki (of Linus Torvalds fame) snagged helsinki.fi before the city caught onto this Intarweb thing, and the city was consequently relegated to hel.fi and wasn't too happy about it. After lots of fighting, the university agreed to decamp to helsinki.fi/university, and helsinki.fi was turned into the spectacularly useless "Helsinki Portal". The official tourism pages are still under hel.fi, so in my opinion that's where the official link should go. Jpatokal 08:44, 4 October 2006 (EDT)
Unnecessary Swedish names?
Jpatokal, can you state why the Swedish names are unnecessary? The Swedish names can often be easier to remember than the Finnish names (and vice versa), so can't both names stay?
BTW my edits had also more information than just place and street names, and it appears you reverted also them... :) 18.104.22.168 10:46, 12 December 2006 (EST)
I haven't edited any public wiki-article yet, so I'll just start with making a remark on this discussion page. In the understand/history-part of the Helsinki article it says that "...establisment of Sveaborg (nowadays Suomenlinna) Maritime Fortress...". I quickly read through the finnish/swedish-discussion on the talk/Finland page, but this still seems wrong. The name of Sveaborg hasn't changed to "Suomenlinna", "Suomenlinna" is just the finnish name.Pihlip 24.7.2011
This is the English Wikitravel, so prices should be listed as €1.50 (English), not 1,50€ (Finnish). Jpatokal 16:54, 9 May 2007 (EDT)
I'm not disputing that Helsinki (like the rest of Finland) has a high murder rate by European standards. However, I don't think this has anything to do with visitors to the city, because an overwhelming majority of the people getting murdered in Finland end up that way in drunken family disputes. If you disagree, please find me one (1) case of a tourist being murdered in Helsinki. Jpatokal 09:05, 24 September 2007 (EDT)
If I'm looking to catch some dramatic performance in Helsinki, what venues should I look out for?22.214.171.124 11:23, 17 June 2008 (EDT)
The Loose bar is incorrectly listed as Frederikinkatu 34. However, when I go to edit the page, it appears that the address is correct (annankatu 25) in the editing textarea. What's going on? In any case, the main page needs to be updated.