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I am planning to upgrade this article to Star, so have added the [[Wikitravel:Dive guide article status criteria|checklist below]] to keep track of what still meeds to be done. [[User:Pbsouthwood|Peter (Southwood)]] <small><sup>[[User_Talk:Pbsouthwood|Talk]]</sup></small> 02:05, 11 October 2010 (EDT)
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I am planning to upgrade this article to [[Wikitravel:Star articles|Star]], so have added the [[Wikitravel:Dive guide article status criteria|checklist below]] to keep track of what still meeds to be done. [[User:Pbsouthwood|Peter (Southwood)]] <small><sup>[[User_Talk:Pbsouthwood|Talk]]</sup></small> 02:05, 11 October 2010 (EDT)
  
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===''Star'' status criteria for dive site===
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====Wikitravel criteria:====
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*Covers the topic fully.
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*Layout and listings either match the manual of style exactly or are the exception that proves the rule.
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*Prose is not only near-perfect grammatically but also tight, effective, and enjoyable.
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*At least one good-quality photo or illustration accompanies the article. <font color="green">'''Complies.'''</font color>
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*If practical it has a map identifying relevant destinations. <font color="green">'''Complies.'''</font color>
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====Diver criteria:====
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*A diver competent to dive the site but without any local knowledge should be able to plan a safe and enjoyable dive using the information provided (in conjunction with a regional diving guide if applicable.)
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*Conditions during the dive should come as no surprise.
  
 
====Checklist:====
 
====Checklist:====
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'''''Understand'''''
 
'''''Understand'''''
*A map showing the position and layout of the site in some detail, preferably to scale. <font color="green">'''Complies.'''</font color><font color="red">'''Add names of JJM junior and North Photographer's Reef'''</font color>
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*A map showing the position and layout of the site in some detail, preferably to scale. <font color="green">'''Complies.'''</font color><font color="red"><strike> '''Add names of JJM junior and North Photographer's Reef'''</strike> (done)</font color>
*Reason/s why one would choose to dive the site. <font color="red">'''Needs work'''</font color>
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*Reason/s why one would choose to dive the site. <font color="red"><strike>'''Needs work''' </strike>(done)  </font color><font color="green"> '''Complies.'''</font color>
  
 
'''Position'''
 
'''Position'''
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'''Topography'''
 
'''Topography'''
*Description of the layout of the site <font color="green">'''Complies.'''</font color><font color="red"> '''Split description to section for each reef.'''</font color>
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*Description of the layout of the site <font color="green">'''Complies.'''</font color><font color="red"><strike> '''Split description to subsection for each reef.'''</strike> (done)</font color>
*General idea of slope, profile and rugosity <font color="red">'''Could use a bit more detail.'''</font color>
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*General idea of slope, profile and rugosity <font color="red"><strike>'''Could use a bit more detail.'''</strike> (done)</font color><font color="green"> '''Complies.'''</font color>
*Description of major features and landmarks <font color="red">'''Could use a bit more detail.'''</font color>
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*Description of major features and landmarks <font color="red"><strike>'''Could use a bit more detail.'''</strike> (done)</font color><font color="green"> '''Complies.'''</font color>
 
*Condition of wreckage if applicable <font color="green">'''Not applicable.'''</font color>
 
*Condition of wreckage if applicable <font color="green">'''Not applicable.'''</font color>
  
 
'''Geology'''
 
'''Geology'''
 
*Only for rocky reefs <font color="green">'''Complies.'''</font color>
 
*Only for rocky reefs <font color="green">'''Complies.'''</font color>
*Type of rock, (geological age, name of formation optional) <font color="green">'''Complies.''' </font color><font color=""><strike>'''Could use a bit of detail on how it got to be that shape.'''</strike> (done)</font color>
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*Type of rock, (geological age, name of formation optional) <font color="green">'''Complies.''' </font color><font color="red"><strike>'''Could use a bit of detail on how it got to be that shape.'''</strike> (done)</font color>
 
*Strike and dip optional if applicable <font color="green">'''Not applicable.'''</font color>
 
*Strike and dip optional if applicable <font color="green">'''Not applicable.'''</font color>
  
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'''Facilities'''
 
'''Facilities'''
*Generally only for shore access dives <font color="red">'''Get information from Windmill and Penguin Point articles. Update as appropriate'''</font color>
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*Generally only for shore access dives <font color="red"><strike>'''Get information from Windmill and Penguin Point articles. Update as appropriate'''</strike> (done)</font color> <font color="green"> '''Complies.'''</font color>
 
*Facilities must be in close walking range of parking area or entry points
 
*Facilities must be in close walking range of parking area or entry points
 
*Facilities appropriate to divers and accompanying family only.(parking, ablution, fast food, dive services, picnic areas, security, beach, shade, etc)
 
*Facilities appropriate to divers and accompanying family only.(parking, ablution, fast food, dive services, picnic areas, security, beach, shade, etc)
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*any equipment beyond the standard equipment listed for the region in the regional guide, either reqired or recommended for the site for safety of convenience. Reason should be specified if not obvious. <font color="green">'''Complies.'''</font color>
 
*any equipment beyond the standard equipment listed for the region in the regional guide, either reqired or recommended for the site for safety of convenience. Reason should be specified if not obvious. <font color="green">'''Complies.'''</font color>
 
*"No special equipment required/recommended" is null default
 
*"No special equipment required/recommended" is null default
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===Discussion from [[Wikitravel:Star nominations]] for Diving the Cape Peninsula and False Bay/Photographer's Reef===
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This dive site article has reached the stage where I think it meets the dive site criteria for Star. [[Talk:Diving the Cape Peninsula and False Bay/Photographer's Reef|The article talk page]] contains a checklist for [[Wikitravel:Dive_guide_article_status_criteria#Star_status_criteria_for_dive_site|dive site article star criteria]] as used in the previous two star articles on dive sites. I would greatly appreciate any comments on what can be done to improve it, and any minor copyediting would also be good, as I have probably gone way past the blindness to small mistakes level by now. Cheers, [[User:Pbsouthwood|Peter (Southwood)]] <small><sup>[[User_Talk:Pbsouthwood|Talk]]</sup></small> 08:02, 11 October 2010 (EDT)
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*'''Support''' &mdash; I have gone over it, and added a small section on seacatfish, plus removed what typos and other minor mistakes I found. Just a question: Why Boulders Beach and not Pumphouse Gully? [[User:Seascapeza|Seascapeza]] 06:07, 15 October 2010 (EDT)
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::I dont know. Could you be more specific? [[User:Pbsouthwood|Peter (Southwood)]] <small><sup>[[User_Talk:Pbsouthwood|Talk]]</sup></small> 06:17, 15 October 2010 (EDT)
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:::Sure. It's the capitalization which isn't consistent. you say Boulders Beach and Pumhouse gully. [[User:Seascapeza|Seascapeza]] 05:28, 21 October 2010 (EDT)
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::::OK, thought it might be that. Sorted. -- [[User:Pbsouthwood|Peter (Southwood)]] <small><sup>[[User_Talk:Pbsouthwood|Talk]]</sup></small> 11:53, 24 October 2010 (EDT)
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* '''Support'''.  My only request would be to add a caption to [[:Image:Sea squirt at Photographers Reef DSC05042.JPG]], and to possibly copyedit the text in the "Get in" section a bit.  "Get in" currently contains some sentence fragments ("Usually considered a boat dive.") and I had to re-read the second and third paragraphs a few times to understand the flow.  Perhaps these two paragraphs would read better if they were combined into a single paragraph with some transitional text "... Either of these shore entry areas can be reached by driving through Simon's town...".  Otherwise, this looks like yet another great article, and the maps are excellent. -- [[User:Wrh2|Ryan]] &bull; ([[User talk:Wrh2|talk]]) &bull; 16:10, 17 October 2010 (EDT)
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::Done. There is now a caption on the image and Get in has been changed as you suggested. Thanks for the comments. [[User:Pbsouthwood|Peter (Southwood)]] <small><sup>[[User_Talk:Pbsouthwood|Talk]]</sup></small> 02:19, 18 October 2010 (EDT)
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* '''Support'''. This is a relatively small reef, but well covered, and given my experience diving it (from both shore and by boat), there is nothing missing about its description, location, access, marine life, etc. [[User:Gzsilavecz|G Zsilavecz]] 13:44, 18 October 2010 (EDT)
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:::Three supports and no dissentions. All minor issues dealt with. Three weeks from last comment will be Monday 8th.  If there is no further comment by then I will star it. &bull; &bull; &bull; [[User:Pbsouthwood|Peter (Southwood)]] <small><sup>[[User_Talk:Pbsouthwood|Talk]]</sup></small> 01:12, 6 November 2010 (EDT)
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::::Monday 8th has come and gone, so will now star it. &bull; &bull; &bull; [[User:Pbsouthwood|Peter (Southwood)]] <small><sup>[[User_Talk:Pbsouthwood|Talk]]</sup></small> 08:45, 12 November 2010 (EST)
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== Star nominations for [[Diving the Cape Peninsula and False Bay/Photographer's Reef|Photographer's Reef]] and [[Diving the Cape Peninsula and False Bay]] ==
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These two articles have been nominated for star and await revier and comment at [[Wikitravel:Star nominations#Diving the Cape Peninsula and False Bay/Photographer's Reef|Wikitravel:Star nominations]].
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Diving the Cape Peninsula and False Bay is the first Regional Dive Guide to be nominated for star and therefore it would be desirable to get as much community involvement as possible, as this will to some extent provide a standard for future articles of this kind. (if it makes it). -- [[User:Pbsouthwood|Peter (Southwood)]] <small><sup>[[User_Talk:Pbsouthwood|Talk]]</sup></small> 02:30, 15 October 2010 (EDT)
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:[[Diving the Cape Peninsula and False Bay/Photographer's Reef|Photographer's Reef]] has been promoted to star, Thanks to all who commented.
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:A large part of the issues brought up regarding [[Diving the Cape Peninsula and False Bay]] have been addressed, but there is a policy issue outstanding. If anyone has the time to look the discussion over and maybe even check over the article it would be appreciated. I think the process is nearing finalisation, as there is not much more that I can do at this stage based on the current outstanding issues. Cheers, &bull; &bull; &bull; [[User:Pbsouthwood|Peter (Southwood)]] <small><sup>[[User_Talk:Pbsouthwood|Talk]]</sup></small> 14:37, 19 November 2010 (EST)
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Swept in from Travellers' Pub &bull; &bull; &bull; [[User:Pbsouthwood|Peter (Southwood)]] <small><sup>[[User_Talk:Pbsouthwood|Talk]]</sup></small> 05:11, 17 January 2011 (EST)

Latest revision as of 10:15, 17 January 2011

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Upgrade to Star[edit]

I am planning to upgrade this article to Star, so have added the checklist below to keep track of what still meeds to be done. Peter (Southwood) Talk 02:05, 11 October 2010 (EDT)


Star status criteria for dive site[edit]

Wikitravel criteria:[edit]

  • Covers the topic fully.
  • Layout and listings either match the manual of style exactly or are the exception that proves the rule.
  • Prose is not only near-perfect grammatically but also tight, effective, and enjoyable.
  • At least one good-quality photo or illustration accompanies the article. Complies.
  • If practical it has a map identifying relevant destinations. Complies.

Diver criteria:[edit]

  • A diver competent to dive the site but without any local knowledge should be able to plan a safe and enjoyable dive using the information provided (in conjunction with a regional diving guide if applicable.)
  • Conditions during the dive should come as no surprise.

Checklist:[edit]

Leader paragraph

  • The site is named Complies.
  • Type of site specified Complies.
  • Geographical location given in general terms:
    • Nearest major landmark, near Complies.
    • Nearest City in Complies.
    • Region in Complies.
    • Country. Complies.


Understand

  • A map showing the position and layout of the site in some detail, preferably to scale. Complies. Add names of JJM junior and North Photographer's Reef (done)
  • Reason/s why one would choose to dive the site. Needs work (done) Complies.

Position

  • GPS position for the site. Should put a diver at least somewhere on the site, specify where if possible Complies.
  • Alternative range and bearing or cross bearings to well defined and reasonably close landmarks. Photos of landmarks desirable. Complies.
  • distance from launch site or harbour for boat access (km or N.miles) Complies: See "Get in" section.

Name

  • Optional image of whatever the site is named after Not applicable.
  • Explanation of origin of the site name, translation if applicable. Complies.

Depth

  • Maximum depth to be expected on the site Complies.
  • If applicable, shallowest point of the site Complies.

Visibility

  • Range of visibility to be expected when conditions are generally considered suitable for diving. Complies.

Topography

  • Description of the layout of the site Complies. Split description to subsection for each reef. (done)
  • General idea of slope, profile and rugosity Could use a bit more detail. (done) Complies.
  • Description of major features and landmarks Could use a bit more detail. (done) Complies.
  • Condition of wreckage if applicable Not applicable.

Geology

  • Only for rocky reefs Complies.
  • Type of rock, (geological age, name of formation optional) Complies. Could use a bit of detail on how it got to be that shape. (done)
  • Strike and dip optional if applicable Not applicable.

Conditions

  • What weather conditions will result in good diving conditions.Complies.
  • Any specific weather conditions which will result in unpleasant or hazardous diving conditions.Complies.
  • Any special oceanographic or weather conditions the site is known for. (sudden offshore winds, upwellings, currents, plankton blooms, thermoclines etc) if applicable Complies.
  • Information sufficient to allow a reasonably competent diver with a moderate understanding of the local weather and climate to forecast conditions during a planned dive over a short period (3 to 4 hours) when on site.Complies.

Facilities

  • Generally only for shore access dives Get information from Windmill and Penguin Point articles. Update as appropriate (done) Complies.
  • Facilities must be in close walking range of parking area or entry points
  • Facilities appropriate to divers and accompanying family only.(parking, ablution, fast food, dive services, picnic areas, security, beach, shade, etc)

Get in

  • Adequate directions to reach the site. Complies.
  • A map or aerial photo indicating the position of entry/exit areas (only for shore entry ) if the main site map is not sufficient. Complies. (main map OK, also has photos)
  • Sufficient text for a person who has no local knowledge at all to find the site and identify any access areas with confidence. Complies.
  • Photos of the standard entry and exit points if applicable. Complies.

See

Marine life and/or Features

  • Photos of at least three organisms or features one may reasonably expect to see at the site Complies.
  • Description of what a diver may see during a dive Complies.

Photography

  • advice on photographic equipment (macro/wide angle, need for external lighting) if appropriate. Complies.
  • photographic opportunities that may be expected or hoped for if applicable. Could use a bit more information. (done)Complies.


Suggested Routes

  • generally at least one suggested or recommended route, with an indication of what the diver may expect to see. This may be a drift dive if applicable. "Follow the divemaster" is not really a route and will only be accepted if there are really good reasons, which are adequately explained. Complies.

Stay safe

Hazards

  • Site specific hazards of any kind, including access hazards if applicable. "No site specific hazards known" is null default. Complies.
  • Comprehensive listing of site related hazards (not regional hazards already in regional guide, ordinary diving hazards nor obvious sea/weather condition hazards). Advice on mitigation is optional.
  • security problems and land based hazards may also be mentioned if applicable. (theft/mugging risk, animals stealing food etc)Complies.

Skills

  • Skills or competence required for diving at the site, if any. Complies.
  • Skills recommended for diving at the site, if any. Complies.
  • "No special skills required/recommended" is null default.

Equipment

  • any equipment beyond the standard equipment listed for the region in the regional guide, either reqired or recommended for the site for safety of convenience. Reason should be specified if not obvious. Complies.
  • "No special equipment required/recommended" is null default

Discussion from Wikitravel:Star nominations for Diving the Cape Peninsula and False Bay/Photographer's Reef[edit]

This dive site article has reached the stage where I think it meets the dive site criteria for Star. The article talk page contains a checklist for dive site article star criteria as used in the previous two star articles on dive sites. I would greatly appreciate any comments on what can be done to improve it, and any minor copyediting would also be good, as I have probably gone way past the blindness to small mistakes level by now. Cheers, Peter (Southwood) Talk 08:02, 11 October 2010 (EDT)

  • Support — I have gone over it, and added a small section on seacatfish, plus removed what typos and other minor mistakes I found. Just a question: Why Boulders Beach and not Pumphouse Gully? Seascapeza 06:07, 15 October 2010 (EDT)
I dont know. Could you be more specific? Peter (Southwood) Talk 06:17, 15 October 2010 (EDT)
Sure. It's the capitalization which isn't consistent. you say Boulders Beach and Pumhouse gully. Seascapeza 05:28, 21 October 2010 (EDT)
OK, thought it might be that. Sorted. -- Peter (Southwood) Talk 11:53, 24 October 2010 (EDT)
  • Support. My only request would be to add a caption to Image:Sea squirt at Photographers Reef DSC05042.JPG, and to possibly copyedit the text in the "Get in" section a bit. "Get in" currently contains some sentence fragments ("Usually considered a boat dive.") and I had to re-read the second and third paragraphs a few times to understand the flow. Perhaps these two paragraphs would read better if they were combined into a single paragraph with some transitional text "... Either of these shore entry areas can be reached by driving through Simon's town...". Otherwise, this looks like yet another great article, and the maps are excellent. -- Ryan • (talk) • 16:10, 17 October 2010 (EDT)
Done. There is now a caption on the image and Get in has been changed as you suggested. Thanks for the comments. Peter (Southwood) Talk 02:19, 18 October 2010 (EDT)
  • Support. This is a relatively small reef, but well covered, and given my experience diving it (from both shore and by boat), there is nothing missing about its description, location, access, marine life, etc. G Zsilavecz 13:44, 18 October 2010 (EDT)
Three supports and no dissentions. All minor issues dealt with. Three weeks from last comment will be Monday 8th. If there is no further comment by then I will star it. • • • Peter (Southwood) Talk 01:12, 6 November 2010 (EDT)
Monday 8th has come and gone, so will now star it. • • • Peter (Southwood) Talk 08:45, 12 November 2010 (EST)

Star nominations for Photographer's Reef and Diving the Cape Peninsula and False Bay[edit]

These two articles have been nominated for star and await revier and comment at Wikitravel:Star nominations.

Diving the Cape Peninsula and False Bay is the first Regional Dive Guide to be nominated for star and therefore it would be desirable to get as much community involvement as possible, as this will to some extent provide a standard for future articles of this kind. (if it makes it). -- Peter (Southwood) Talk 02:30, 15 October 2010 (EDT)

Photographer's Reef has been promoted to star, Thanks to all who commented.
A large part of the issues brought up regarding Diving the Cape Peninsula and False Bay have been addressed, but there is a policy issue outstanding. If anyone has the time to look the discussion over and maybe even check over the article it would be appreciated. I think the process is nearing finalisation, as there is not much more that I can do at this stage based on the current outstanding issues. Cheers, • • • Peter (Southwood) Talk 14:37, 19 November 2010 (EST)

Swept in from Travellers' Pub • • • Peter (Southwood) Talk 05:11, 17 January 2011 (EST)

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