This is our first national park article, and it's going to shape how we do the rest of them. So, let's get this right.
I don't think that there needs to be two "regional" articles about the north and south of Death Valley. I really don't. -- Evan 21:18, 9 Nov 2003 (PST)
Agreed, but since Death Valley is the largest National Park outside of Alaska at 3.4 million acres it gonna need some kinda breakdown or it will quickly get outta hand. This might not be the case for most other National Parks. Most of the pavement accessed areas reside south of the Hwy 190 and in general offer a different experience than the northern area of the park which tends to be more rugged. Maybe it needs a backcountry article and off the beaten path article. On second thought maybe its time to look at some NPS sites and check out their general template as a starting point. It is a true pleasure to be working on Death Valley as the first National Park! Ron 21:59, 9 Nov 2003 (PST)
Hi! Saw your request for template help. Have you thought about using the small city template? I used that for islands like Ko Samet and big parks like Grand Canyon and Angkor Wat. Remember, you can leave out anything that doesnt make sense and add your own bold subheads for subsections that need more attention (like Dehydration under STAY SAFE). Lemme know if you have any specific questions/concerns. Great content btw! Majnoona
I more or less agree with Maj. The Wikitravel:Small city article template could be used as a base for a "park article". You don't have to follow it rigorously, though. If you think other headings make more sense, then go right ahead. In time, we could even develop a true "park template" if this would be sufficiently different from the others. One observation, though: try to use verbs for your headings, as is generally done in Wikitravel articles ("get in" instead of "getting there", etc...) Otherwise, keep up the good work! Cheers. DhDh 13:23, 11 Nov 2003 (PST)
Thanks for all the input. Ill work on DV again tonight. Along with the SoCal hell. I have started some work on a Wikitravel:Park template based on the DV stuff i did. I will tweak it accordingly Ron 13:35, 11 Nov 2003 (PST)
Hi Ron. I just had a quick look -- it looks far better already. Maybe a few remarks:
I'd write "Understand" instead of "Introduction"
Perhaps "Pay" would be better than "Fees/Permits", but I'm not too sure about it. Maybe there's another verb that describes it better.
There could be a separate section called "Obey" for rules and regulations.
Under "Sleep" I'd write "Lodge" and "Camp" instead of "Lodging" and "Camping". And I wouldn't make a separate heading for "Backcountry camping" -- I'd put it separately under "Camp".
I hope you find my remarks valuable -- Maybe you can ask Evan's opinion too on some of this. Cheers. DhDh 13:58, 12 Nov 2003 (PST)
Ok, the changes sound good and I made them, except for the new section on Obey. Maybe this can be part of the Pay section and i included it as Pay/Obey. I think that permits can fall under rules and regulations and we might as well get the official junk all out of the way in one section...well thats how i see it at least. Thanks for you input/advice. I would really like to see this develop into a template for Park in general, as asking new users to modify a small city template may begin to generate a lot of variance in style/layout and i do believe that standardization can help to eliminate most of this. Ron 14:30, 12 Nov 2003 (PST)