I'm just back from a trip through Western Ukraine and The Crimea and am really excited about adding the information to WikiTravel as getting any information about the place before going was really difficult. On the other hand I'm totally new at this so as I post information any advice or commentary on the quality of my work is appreciated. aburda
- A very good start for a region page, but please consider moving the individual cities into their own pages — for example, Yalta already has a stub. Also, I think just "Crimea" would be better as the name, we don't usually use "The" in article names here. For reference, so does Wikipedia, and it's just Krym in the original. Jpatokal 02:51, 2 Jul 2005 (EDT)
- Thanks for the info. I have a question though. The cheep guidebook I bought in the Crimea on the street was a blast to read as it was so, hmmm ... un-western in its directness. I included several humerous quotes from it on the page in 'understand.' From a copyright perspective are quotes allowed and if so what information do I need to add in order to make it legal? aburda 10:24, 2 Jul 2005 (EDT)
- Quotes are allowed (within reason, fair use and all that), just cite the source and its author. Jpatokal 06:15, 3 Jul 2005 (EDT)
- I agree, a good start for a region page. I agree with dropping The from the title. I also done some copyediting and changed the headings into boldings and wiki links for articles that could be written.
- I have only bolded the sub regional names because I think there needs to be some thought go in to what these smaller divisions get called. Calling a region Coastal cities, Coastal mountains or Inland plains is very generic; is there a more specific name for these regions, like the coast line or mountain range? As for the Far East, that name is totally confusing, and already means another place in the world. Even callin g the regions Coastal Crimea, Upland Crimea, Inland Crimea or Eastern Crimea is better than the current division names. The Sea of Azov is potentially a good name, but we do not usually write about bodies of water, unless it is also the name given to the region around the body of water. This case may be an exception to the body of water rule. -- Huttite 20:38, 2 Jul 2005 (EDT)
- From a political perspective The crimea is not divided up into regions at all but from a tourist perspect there are definately at least three distinct areas. The northern section is totally flat like Iowa and just boring farmland (I'm assuming, just passed through it by train. The mountainous region to the south, but before hitting the coast is spectacularly beautiful, has almost no tourists and is about as developed as I would imagine Mongolia would be. Once you hit the Coast its all Florida. The Eastern section is a mix of some tourism with industrialism, although could be included in the coastal section. Kerch, the farthest east I think is supposed to be very different from the Coastal area, altough I didn't go there so am not sure. Anyway, I'll think about it and try to come up with some better names sometime later this evening. I still have a ton of really usefull information I need to add to this article, when I get a free couple hours so expect a lot more....
On a side note, how do I automatically add the date and my name to each edit I make in this discussion session? I did some hunting in the help but didn't find anything (quickly). Also as per my section on genealogy is there a policy about putting email addresses into the content, such as the address for the archive in Simferopol? -- aburda
- Sign with three tildes like this: ~~~~ -- Colin 12:44, 3 Jul 2005 (EDT)
- just testing Aburda
A few suggestions for the geographical divisions: the locals refer to the southeast Black Sea coast from Alushta southwards (through Yalta and on to the tip of the peninsula at Forros) collectively as the South Coast (Южный Берег, juzhnij bereg). That would help travellers specify to locals where they want to go. I agree that "Coastal Beach Cities" needs to be changed; it could theoretically also refer to Feodosiya, Evpatoria, and several others, which are nowhere near Yalta, and that might be confusing. There are administrative divisions in Crimea, each is known as a region (район, rajon), and are generally named after the biggest settlement in the region -- such as Bakhchisarai region (Бахчисарайский район) which could theoretically be helpful to a traveller. Thus, the area on the Kerch peninsula is referred to as Kerch region (but they often do cross-reference with the Sea of Azov), the area going up the western coast from Forros is genally connected with Sevastopol, and the areas around Feodosiya and Evpatoria are so called. The locals refer to the mountains that encroach upon the sea as the Coastal Mountains, but the mountains around Bakhchisarai (southwest of Simferopol) are often called just the Mountains, or they will specify "the mountains around Bakhchisarai". I think Inland Plains is perfect; the locals refer to the areas around Dzhankoj as the Steppes. I will try to dig out my big Crimea map later to refresh my memory on other possibilities. Just a few thoughts. Also, I would suggest removing "the" from "the Crimea" throughout the article,as has been done with the title page; Crimea is an autonomous republic within Ukraine with its own mini-national government. Rachelfleet 17:05, 7 Jan 2006 (EST) Plunged ahead and removed the "the"s myself. Rachelfleet 00:42, 9 Jan 2006 (EST)
Annexation of Crimea by Russia
Wikitravel has an established policy to reflect the realities and practicalities on the ground as they effect the traveller.
We tell it like it actually is with regard to border controls, visas required, currencies used and transport connections rather than arbitrate on of sovereignity or take sides with political disputes.
It is because of this purely practical stance that we have country level articles on territories such as Somaliland and Transnistria that are recognised by few national governements.
Since the visa regime, time zone and currency are now changing to those of Southern Russia, our breadcrumbs and travel guides should now reflect the situation that travellers will encounter.
If that situation changes, then naturally our guides should change again - just as quickly and as many times as necessary. One of our distinct advantages as a crowd-sourced wiki is the ability to rapidly move and react to changing events.
How the regime change happened should be dealt with in a "History" sub-section of the "Understand" section.
Meanwhile I propose shortly changing the warning box to this:
||WARNING: In March 2014 much of Crimea was occupied by Russian armed forces and a hasty and flawed referendum followed on the proposal to join the Russian Federation. On 18 March 2014, the entire Crimea region became effectively part of Russia. Armed conflict is a possibility and travel to the Crimean region is not recommended. Many countries advise travellers to be vigilant in this region. If you plan to go to Crimea in the next few weeks you should research carefully your travel plans.
Public transport links between Crimea and Ukraine are disrupted, and scheduled flights are being delayed and cancelled without prior notice.
|| Government travel advisories: Australia • Canada • New Zealand • United Kingdom • United States
If you object, please state your reasoning and alternative proposals. --Ttcf (talk) 18:31, 26 March 2014 (EDT)