Talk:Cleveland

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Disambiguation

The disambiguation of "Cleveland" is ludicrous. Has anyone measured the traffic to "Cleveland" sites. This extra step to get to the 14th largest market in the US is annoying to Wikitravel users. What do we have to do to reverse this decision???

I think Cleveland, Ohio should be listed at Cleveland, since it's by far the most well-known Cleveland. --Evan 14:35, 19 Oct 2005 (EDT)

But quoting from the naming conventions page:

4. As an exception, if one place is so famous that the disambiguation is a hindrance rather than a help, it remains without a disambiguating parenthesized suffix. Examples: Paris is the capital of France, Paris (Texas) is a nice little prairie town in the US. Los Angeles refers to the large metropolitan area in southern California, and Los Angeles (Chile) refers to the mid-sized town south of Santiago. Peru is the country in South America; Peru (Indiana) is a town in the American Midwest.

The last exception here is a rare one. If there's a reasonable chance that people might be confused, use the disambiguators.

"The last exception is a rare one..." seems to say to me that when in doubt, disambiguate. I agree that Cleveland, Tennessee isn't anything amazing or wonderful, but it seems like I've seen plenty of other disambiguation pages that didn't live up to the rule you seem to want to apply here. Ontario for example - the province of Canada is considerably more well-known. Why disambiguate then? Am I just misunderstanding rule number 2? You always disambiguate when they are geographically seperate not matter how well-known one might be?

I don't mean to be confrontational, I just want to make sure I understand the dismabiguation process... -- Ilkirk 15:40, 19 Oct 2005 (EDT)

It's a fine-grained one, I understand. As you can see on Talk:Ontario (province), there's some debate whether the other main Ontario (a town in Orange County, mostly known for its airport) is sufficiently well known to cause any confusion. --Evan 15:59, 19 Oct 2005 (EDT)

Web directory

Copied from Talk:Cleveland (disambiguation):

This is pretty cool, but it'd be nice to see some more information pertinent to travellers. -- Evan 19:19, 5 Sep 2003 (PDT)

I agree with myself. This has turned out to be a very nice Web directory for all things Cleveland, and a terrible travel guide. Does anyone more familiar with Cleveland want to get in here and get a real article started? I'm starting to think that the best thing to do is tear this whole edifice of directorydom down and start anew. -- Evan 08:38, 17 Nov 2003 (PST)

I dont know from Cleveland, but took a stab at making it a little more wikitravel-ish. Majnoona

Thanks. Good example; I should have just plunged forward and started following some of those links. -- Evan 12:31, 17 Nov 2003 (PST)

Grew up in Cleveland, will try and add some information on here. Added the Cleveland sports teams to the page, will try and beef up the overall content. -- David 22 Mar 2005

Image

I literally just went to the top floor of my dorm and took the picture currently on the site, and as a result it's not the best. Anyone got a better one? Andromeda321 00:42, 26 Oct 2005 (EDT)

Information moved from main article.

The information below was moved from the main article because it applied to more than just Cleveland. The information about the city of Cleveland's schools has been left in the article, but all the other information should be moved to their respective county or city pages. -- Ilkirk 09:50, 26 Oct 2005 (EDT)

Learn

Northeast Ohio's network of 55 colleges and universities comprises the second largest concentration of educational institutions in the nation (after New York City). Outstanding university and vocational training programs, coupled with exceptional liberal arts colleges, provide abundant educational opportunities.

Northeast Ohio offers a variety of educational institutions. Among the area's colleges and universities are:

City of Cleveland

Case Western Reserve University
Cleveland State University 
David N. Myers College, Cleveland 
Ohio College of Podiatric Medicine, Cleveland 
Cleveland Institute of Art 
Capital University, Cleveland Center 
Cuyahoga Community College, Cleveland 

Cuyahoga County

Baldwin-Wallace College, Berea 
Cleveland College of Jewish Studies, Beachwood 
John Carroll University, University Heights 
Notre Dame College of Ohio, South Euclid 
Ursuline College, Pepper Pike

Summit County

University of Akron 
University of Akron Community Technical College 

Portage County

Kent State University, Kent 
Hiram College, Hiram 
Northeastern Ohio Universities College of Medicine, Rootstown 

Lake County

Lake Erie College, Painesville
Lakeland Community College, Willoughby

Lorain County

Oberlin College, Oberlin 
Lorain County Community College

Stark County

Malone College, Canton 
Mount Union College, Alliance 
Kent State University Stark Campus 
Stark State College of Technology, Canton 
Walsh University, North Canton 

Mahoning County

Youngstown State University 
YSU College of Health Human Services 

Columbiana County

Allegheny Wesleyan College, Salem 
Kent State University East Liverpool Campus 
Kent State University Salem Campus 

Trumbull County

Kent State University Trumbull Campus, Warren 

Wayne County

The College of Wooster

The "other" may have some that belong to Cleveland, but I'm unsure at this point. -- Ilkirk 14:05, 28 Oct 2005 (EDT)

Work

• Goodyear Tire & Rubber Company Akron $14.7 Rubber
• FirstEnergy Akron $12.3 Utilities
• Progressive Corporation Mayfield Heights $11.8 Insurance
• International Steel Group, Inc. Richfield $4.0 Steel
• Timken Canton $3.7 Alloy Steel

Other Large Employers

More employment opportunities in Cuyahoga County include:

• American Greetings Corp
• Case Western Reserve University
• Continental Airlines
• Ford Motor Co
• General Motors Corp
• ICI-Glidden Paints
• Lincoln Electric Co
• MNBA America Bank
• SBC Communications

Churches, etc moved from Main Article

The below appear all to be in the Greater Cleveland area and not the city of Cleveland itself. I also moved them because the list was absolutely huge and would like be unwieldy to a traveller. A representative selection is probably best. -- Ilkirk 14:17, 28 Oct 2005 (EDT)

Assemblies of God

• Bethel Temple Assembly of God, Parma
• First Assembly of God, Lyndhurst
• Rockside Church, Independence

Baptist

• Bethlehem Baptist Church, Orange
• Cleveland Baptist Church, Cleveland www.clevelandbaptist.org
• Cornerstone Bible Fellowship, North Olmsted
• Columbia Road Baptist Church, North Olmsted www.crbc-online.org
• First Baptist Church of Greater Cleveland, Shaker Heights
• Grace Baptist Church, Westlake
• Harmony Baptist Church, Old Brooklyn
• Lakewood Baptist Church
• NorthCoast Baptist Church, Lakewood
• Parma Heights Baptist Church
• Pathway Institutional Baptist Church, Maple Heights
• Warrensville Road Community Baptist Church, Maple Heights
• WestShore Community Church, Westlake

Catholic

• Holy Cross Church, Euclid
• Holy Spirit Byzantine, Parma
• St. Adalbert, Berea
• St. Bartholomew, Middleburg Heights
• St. Brendan Online, North Olmsted
• St. Christopher, Rocky River
• St. Clement, Lakewood
• St. Felicitas, Euclid
• St. James, Lakewood St. John Neumann, Strongsville
• St. Mary of the Falls, Olmsted Falls
• St. Peter & Paul, Garfield Heights
• St. Thomas More, Brooklyn

Christian (DOC)

• Euclid Avenue Christian Church, Cleveland Heights

Church of Christ

• Hope Christian Church, Westlake

Church of God

• Lakeview Church of God, Parma
• Brecksville Church of God of Prophecy

Congregational

• Lakewood Congregational Church
• Olmsted Community Church

Episcopal

• All Saints Episcopal Church, Parma
• Christ Episcopal Church, Shaker Heights
• Church of the Ascension, Lakewood
• St. Paul's Episcopal Church, Cleveland Heights
• St. Paul's Episcopal Church, East Cleveland
• St. Peter's Episcopal Church, Lakewood

Evangelical Covenant

• Bethany Covenant Church, Lyndhurst

Foursquare Gospel

• Eagle Rock Church, Westlake
• Lakewood Foursquare Chapel

Friends

• North Olmsted Evangelical Friends Church

Grace Brethren

• Southern Hills Community Church, Strongsville

Hindu Vedic

• Greater Cleveland Shiva Vishnu Temple, Parma

Jewish

• Congregation Shaarey Tikvah, Beachwood
• Heights Jewish Center Synagogue
• Kol Chadash, Solon

Lutheran

• Bethel Lutheran Church, Middleburg Heights
• Bethlehem Lutheran Church, Cleveland Heights
• Bethlehem Lutheran Church, Parma
• Christ the Redeemer Lutheran Church, Brecksville
• Faith Lutheran Church, Lakewood
• First Evangelical Lutheran Church, Strongsville
• Grace Lutheran Church, Cleveland Heights
• Hope Lutheran Church, Cleveland Heights
• Lutheran Church of the Good Shepherd, Brooklyn
• Messiah Lutheran Church, Fairview Park
• St. John Lutheran Church, South Euclid
• St. Peter's Lutheran Church, Shaker Heights
• Trinity Lutheran Church, ELCA, Lakewood
• Valley Lutheran Church, LCMS, Chagrin Falls

Mennonite

• Friendship Mennonite Church, Bedford Heights

Nazarene

• Bedford Church of the Nazarene
• Garfield Heights Church of the Nazarene
• Westlake Parkside Nazarene Church, Westlake

Nondenominational

• Christ the King, North Olmsted
• Church on the Rise, Bay Village
• First Cyberchurch, Berea
• Grace Church, North Olmsted (www.gcno.org)
• Old Oak Bible Church, Middleburg Heights
• The Rock of Lakewood
• Worldview Community Church, Olmsted Falls

Orthodox

• St. Andrew Church, Maple Heights
• Christ the Saviour American Orthodox Church, North Royalton
• Holy Trinity Orthodox Church, Parma
• St. Sergius Russian Orthodox Cathedral, Parma
• St. Michael's Orthodox Church, Broadview Heights
• St. Theodosius Cathedral,Cleveland
• St. E. Premte Orthodox Church, Cleveland
• St. Mary Romanian Orthodox Cathedral, Cleveland
• SS. Peter and Paul Church, Lakewood
• Saints Constantine & Helen Cathedral, Cleveland
• Annunciation Church, Cleveland
• St. John of Kronstandt Church, Cleveland
• St. Vladimirs Ukrainian Orthodox Cathedral, Parma
• Saint George Antiochian Orthodox, Cleveland
• St. Mark's Coptic Orthodox Church, Seven Hills
• St Nicholas Orthodox Church, Cleveland

Pentecostal

• First United Pentecostal Church of Parma
• Fairmount Presbyterian Church

Presbyterian

• Forest Hill Church, Presbyterian
• Grace Presbyterian Church, Lakewood
• Lakewood Presbyterian Church
• Noble Road Presbyterian Church, Cleveland Heights
• Parma-South Presbyterian Church
• Pioneer Memorial Presbyterian Church, Solon
• St. Andrew's Presbyterian Church, Olmsted Falls

Unitarian

• First Unitarian Church, Shaker Heights
• Olmsted Unitarian Universalist Church, North Olmsted
• Southwest Unitarian Universalist Church, Berea
• West Shore Unitarian Universalist Church, Rocky River

United Church of Christ

• Church of the Redeemer, Westlake
• First United Church of Christ, Lakewood
• Middleburg Heights Community Church
• Plymouth Church, Shaker Heights

United Methodist

• Berea United Methodist Church
• Brecksville United Methodist Church
• Church of the Saviour, Cleveland Heights
• East Shore Church, Euclid
• Garfield Memorial United Methodist Church, Pepper Pike
• Lakewood United Methodist Church
• Maple Heights United Methodist Church (www.mapleheightsumc.com)
• Mayfield United Methodist Church Mentor United Methodist Church
• North Royalton United Methodist Church
• Pleasant Hills United Methodist Church, Middleburg Heights
• Ridgewood United Methodist Church, Parma
• Rockport United Methodist Church, Rocky River
• Solon United Methodist Church
• Strongsville United Methodist Church
• Westlake United Methodist Church

Cleveland advertising?

The introduction to this article reads like a travel brochure produced by the city government. "Come and see for yourself"? A "world class" city? What the hell is that about? Can someone who knows something about Cleveland who isn't an idiot advertising agent change the introduction?

Districts

I brought this up once before but Cleveland is an exceptionally confusing to city to navigate (personal experience) and I really think breaking Cleveland into districts would be wise. I'm don't know a whole lot about the Cleveland area except the Flats district is known for the bars and strip clubs, there's another hip district called the Warehouse District, University Circle, and a downtown. Would anyone more well versed in the area know of any additional districts? -- Sapphire 00:26, 3 October 2006 (EDT)

Despite living in Cleveland for fourteen years I'm not totally sure what the best districts would be. Perhaps East Side, West Side and Downtown? University Circle might be a good district, but it's a small part of the East Side and I think it's clearer to just make the whole thing one district. Thus the East Side would include University Circle, Little Italy, Shaker Square, etc. The Downtown would include the Flats, and the West Side would include things like the West Side Market, the Zoo, etc. You probably want to solicit opinions from other Clevelanders though to see if they have any ideas. -- Ryan 01:06, 3 October 2006 (EDT)

Thanks. I'll create any questionable districts in my sandbox and then merge them into the proper districts later. Where does the Warehouse District fall? -- Sapphire 01:08, 3 October 2006 (EDT)

That's down by Jacob's Field, right? I moved in 1998, and at that time the area was still being redeveloped. Anyhow, if that's right then it would be downtown. -- Ryan 01:12, 3 October 2006 (EDT)

I think it's just south of Jacob's Field. Also, should Tremont get it's own district or would a South Side suffice? -- Sapphire 01:15, 3 October 2006 (EDT)

It would probably be best to get someone else's opinion. My preference is that cities not be split into too many districts, and since the Flats, Jacobs Field, Tremont, etc are all within a mile or two of Terminal Tower I'd say they're all the same district. However, there are some advantages to using more specific districts, and if that's done then you could split downtown into the east side of the river (downtown) and the west side (flats), and create other districts for distinct areas like University Circle.

Alright, I'll send an email to the CVB there. I'll be up that area in a few days and try to swing down to Cleveland and do some scouting. -- Sapphire 01:26, 3 October 2006 (EDT)