Talk:Cleveland - Revision history

LtPowers: /* Shoreline */ unsigned

2011-08-10T19:53:19Z

‎Shoreline: unsigned

70.239.6.195: /* Shoreline */

2011-08-10T00:26:15Z

‎Shoreline

LtPowers: /* Cleveland advertising? */

2009-11-02T19:05:26Z

‎Cleveland advertising?

Zepppep: /* Cleveland advertising? */

2009-11-02T17:20:27Z

‎Cleveland advertising?

Zepppep: /* Cleveland advertising? */

2009-11-02T17:18:19Z

‎Cleveland advertising?

LtPowers at 22:48, 29 October 2009

2009-10-29T22:48:58Z

Zepppep: New section: Understand--comeback years

2009-10-29T20:16:33Z

New section: Understand--comeback years

Zepppep: /* Cleveland advertising? */

2009-10-29T20:09:57Z

‎Cleveland advertising?

Zepppep: /* Cleveland advertising? */

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‎Cleveland advertising?

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 I don't know where to verify it, but it seems unlikely that Cleveland has the most shoreline of any city in the world. Off the top of my head, it seems like at the very least Singapore would have more shoreline, since it is a fairly large island-city. <small>—The [[Wikitravel:Using_talk_pages#Talk_page_formatting|preceding]] comment was added by [[User:137.99.145.90|137.99.145.90]] ([[User_talk:137.99.145.90|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/137.99.145.90|contribs]]) {{{2|}}}.</small>
-Agreed.  Hyperbole like this just adds to the impression that this article is trying *way* too hard to make Cleveland sound appealing.
+Agreed.  Hyperbole like this just adds to the impression that this article is trying *way* too hard to make Cleveland sound appealing. <small>—The [[Wikitravel:Using_talk_pages#Talk_page_formatting|preceding]] comment was added by [[User:70.239.6.195|70.239.6.195]] ([[User_talk:70.239.6.195|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/70.239.6.195|contribs]]) {{{2|}}}</small>
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	I don't know where to verify it, but it seems unlikely that Cleveland has the most shoreline of any city in the world. Off the top of my head, it seems like at the very least Singapore would have more shoreline, since it is a fairly large island-city. <small>—The [[Wikitravel:Using_talk_pages#Talk_page_formatting\|preceding]] comment was added by [[User:137.99.145.90\|137.99.145.90]] ([[User_talk:137.99.145.90\|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/137.99.145.90\|contribs]]) {{{2\|}}}.</small>		I don't know where to verify it, but it seems unlikely that Cleveland has the most shoreline of any city in the world. Off the top of my head, it seems like at the very least Singapore would have more shoreline, since it is a fairly large island-city. <small>—The [[Wikitravel:Using_talk_pages#Talk_page_formatting\|preceding]] comment was added by [[User:137.99.145.90\|137.99.145.90]] ([[User_talk:137.99.145.90\|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/137.99.145.90\|contribs]]) {{{2\|}}}.</small>
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		+	Agreed. Hyperbole like this just adds to the impression that this article is trying way too hard to make Cleveland sound appealing.

	== Understand--comeback years ==		== Understand--comeback years ==

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	I still think some "facts" from different magazines would be better suited to Understand, Sports, and Do. Take a look at [[Pittsburgh]], a city often compared with Cleveland, which I might dare say has more of their article (particularly district articles) developed than C-land.My two cents' worth...maybe others have an opinion?[[User:Zepppep\|Zepppep]] 12:20, 2 November 2009 (EST)		I still think some "facts" from different magazines would be better suited to Understand, Sports, and Do. Take a look at [[Pittsburgh]], a city often compared with Cleveland, which I might dare say has more of their article (particularly district articles) developed than C-land.My two cents' worth...maybe others have an opinion?[[User:Zepppep\|Zepppep]] 12:20, 2 November 2009 (EST)
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		+	:Well, if you think it's overdone, fix it. =) Not sure what else I can say. [[User:LtPowers\|LtPowers]] 14:05, 2 November 2009 (EST)

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 :::Not sure who the first "poster" was LT, but although his/her lang. may be a bit harsh, I would have to agree.
-While certainly there's no judge of which city is better, [[New York City]], [[Chicago]] and [[Los Angeles]] all have their own flavor of intro. and all do a less-over-the-top job of describing their city's unique charm better than Cleveland. I know Cleveland gets a lot of crap from their 70s-80s image and they've done a lot to turn that around, and I know they may get a lot of crap from folks further east of them (New Yorkers?) because some people somehow think "smaller is worse," but I would still have to agree with the original "poster's" statement it sounds directly from the Cleveland Tourist Board or something like that. Still, however, that's not my MAIN point.
+While certainly there's no judge of which city is better, [[New York City]], [[Chicago]] and [[Los Angeles]] all have their own flavor of intro. and all do a less-over-the-top job of describing their city's unique charm better than Cleveland. I know Cleveland gets a lot of crap from its 70s-80s image and they've done a lot to turn that around, and I know they may get a lot of crap from folks further east of them (New Yorkers?) because some people somehow think "smaller is worse," but I would still have to agree with the original "poster's" statement it sounds directly from the Cleveland Tourist Board or something like that. Still, however, that's not my MAIN point.
-I still think some "facts" from different magazines would be better suited to Understand, Sports, and Do. Take a look at [[Pittsburgh]], a city often compared with Cleveland, which I might dare say has more of their article (particularly district articles) developed than C-land.My two cents' worth...maybe others have an opinion?
+I still think some "facts" from different magazines would be better suited to Understand, Sports, and Do. Take a look at [[Pittsburgh]], a city often compared with Cleveland, which I might dare say has more of their article (particularly district articles) developed than C-land.My two cents' worth...maybe others have an opinion?[[User:Zepppep|Zepppep]] 12:20, 2 November 2009 (EST)
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	::Well, for starters, it's ''supposed'' to sound like a travel brochure. That's what this is! =) [[User:LtPowers\|LtPowers]] 18:48, 29 October 2009 (EDT)		::Well, for starters, it's ''supposed'' to sound like a travel brochure. That's what this is! =) [[User:LtPowers\|LtPowers]] 18:48, 29 October 2009 (EDT)
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		+	:::Not sure who the first "poster" was LT, but although his/her lang. may be a bit harsh, I would have to agree.
		+	While certainly there's no judge of which city is better, [[New York City]], [[Chicago]] and [[Los Angeles]] all have their own flavor of intro. and all do a less-over-the-top job of describing their city's unique charm better than Cleveland. I know Cleveland gets a lot of crap from their 70s-80s image and they've done a lot to turn that around, and I know they may get a lot of crap from folks further east of them (New Yorkers?) because some people somehow think "smaller is worse," but I would still have to agree with the original "poster's" statement it sounds directly from the Cleveland Tourist Board or something like that. Still, however, that's not my MAIN point.
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		+	I still think some "facts" from different magazines would be better suited to Understand, Sports, and Do. Take a look at [[Pittsburgh]], a city often compared with Cleveland, which I might dare say has more of their article (particularly district articles) developed than C-land.My two cents' worth...maybe others have an opinion?

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 :As a big Cleveland supporter and fan, I would admit I agree. It reads a bit like a travel brochure. 'Most golf courses per capita' should go in Do; '2nd in recreational options' to Do as well; 'fifth in number in number in the nation of major cultural resources' to Understand. NYC, Chicago, Tokyo, etc. could really brag--but they don't 'brag' in the opener. NYC's as of 10/29/09: New York (also referred to as "New York City", "NYC", "The Big Apple", or just "the City"), is the biggest city in the United States. It lies at the mouth of the Hudson River in the southernmost part of the state, which is part of the Mid-Atlantic region of the  USA.
-The New York Metropolitan Area spans parts of three states—lower New York, northern New Jersey, and southwestern Connecticut. It is the USA's largest metro area, with a population of 18.7 million. As of 2007, it was 5th in the world, after Tokyo, Sao Paulo, Mexico City and Seoul.
+:The New York Metropolitan Area spans parts of three states—lower New York, northern New Jersey, and southwestern Connecticut. It is the USA's largest metro area, with a population of 18.7 million. As of 2007, it was 5th in the world, after Tokyo, Sao Paulo, Mexico City and Seoul.
-New York City is a center for media, culture, food, fashion, art, research, finance, and trade. It has one of the largest and most famous skylines on earth, dominated by the iconic Empire State Building.
+:New York City is a center for media, culture, food, fashion, art, research, finance, and trade. It has one of the largest and most famous skylines on earth, dominated by the iconic Empire State Building.
-A change is needed![[User:Zepppep|Zepppep]] 16:09, 29 October 2009 (EDT)
+:A change is needed![[User:Zepppep|Zepppep]] 16:09, 29 October 2009 (EDT)
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 Would Progressive Field be considered "new" having been built in 1994?
-On that line, the magazine reference in Do -- Sports -- for the Indians is a bit too townie for me. I changed "many consider Progressive Field the gem of the AL" to "some..." but might recommend taking it a step further and deleting that all together. Yes, the Jake has a wonderful reputation but "many" would actually state Fenway in Boston as the "gem of the AL" (or even the entire MLB) so then this begs the question: why not just mention some of the "gem"-things about the Jake and let people decide for themselves beyond that?
+On that line, the magazine reference in Do -- Sports -- for the Indians is a bit too townie for me. I changed "many consider Progressive Field the gem of the AL" to "some..." but might recommend taking it a step further and deleting that all together. Yes, the Jake has a wonderful reputation but "many" would actually state Fenway in Boston as the "gem of the AL" (or even the entire MLB) so then this begs the question: why not just mention some of the "gem"-things about the Jake and let people decide for themselves beyond that? {{unsigned|Zepppep}}

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	I don't know where to verify it, but it seems unlikely that Cleveland has the most shoreline of any city in the world. Off the top of my head, it seems like at the very least Singapore would have more shoreline, since it is a fairly large island-city. <small>—The [[Wikitravel:Using_talk_pages#Talk_page_formatting\|preceding]] comment was added by [[User:137.99.145.90\|137.99.145.90]] ([[User_talk:137.99.145.90\|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/137.99.145.90\|contribs]]) {{{2\|}}}.</small>		I don't know where to verify it, but it seems unlikely that Cleveland has the most shoreline of any city in the world. Off the top of my head, it seems like at the very least Singapore would have more shoreline, since it is a fairly large island-city. <small>—The [[Wikitravel:Using_talk_pages#Talk_page_formatting\|preceding]] comment was added by [[User:137.99.145.90\|137.99.145.90]] ([[User_talk:137.99.145.90\|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/137.99.145.90\|contribs]]) {{{2\|}}}.</small>
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		+	Would Progressive Field be considered "new" having been built in 1994?
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		+	On that line, the magazine reference in Do -- Sports -- for the Indians is a bit too townie for me. I changed "many consider Progressive Field the gem of the AL" to "some..." but might recommend taking it a step further and deleting that all together. Yes, the Jake has a wonderful reputation but "many" would actually state Fenway in Boston as the "gem of the AL" (or even the entire MLB) so then this begs the question: why not just mention some of the "gem"-things about the Jake and let people decide for themselves beyond that?

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	The introduction to this article reads like a travel brochure produced by the city government. "Come and see for yourself"? A "world class" city? What the hell is that about? Can someone who knows something about Cleveland who ''isn't'' an idiot advertising agent change the introduction?		The introduction to this article reads like a travel brochure produced by the city government. "Come and see for yourself"? A "world class" city? What the hell is that about? Can someone who knows something about Cleveland who ''isn't'' an idiot advertising agent change the introduction?
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		+	:As a big Cleveland supporter and fan, I would admit I agree. It reads a bit like a travel brochure. 'Most golf courses per capita' should go in Do; '2nd in recreational options' to Do as well; 'fifth in number in number in the nation of major cultural resources' to Understand. NYC, Chicago, Tokyo, etc. could really brag--but they don't 'brag' in the opener. NYC's as of 10/29/09: New York (also referred to as "New York City", "NYC", "The Big Apple", or just "the City"), is the biggest city in the United States. It lies at the mouth of the Hudson River in the southernmost part of the state, which is part of the Mid-Atlantic region of the USA.
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		+	The New York Metropolitan Area spans parts of three states—lower New York, northern New Jersey, and southwestern Connecticut. It is the USA's largest metro area, with a population of 18.7 million. As of 2007, it was 5th in the world, after Tokyo, Sao Paulo, Mexico City and Seoul.
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		+	New York City is a center for media, culture, food, fashion, art, research, finance, and trade. It has one of the largest and most famous skylines on earth, dominated by the iconic Empire State Building.
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		+	A change is needed!

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 *St Nicholas Orthodox Church, Cleveland
 *St. Paul's Greek Orthodox Church, North Royalton
 *St. Sava Serbian Orthodox Cathedral, Parma