Talk:Chinese cuisine in the San Francisco Bay Area
Um, this really doesn't fall under a destination page (see wikitravel:What is an article? for more details)-- maybe it's a travel topic page, but even for that I think it would have to be reworked. Any comments or suggestions on what to do with this? But I'm going to move it ASAP. Majnoona 01:38, 2 Feb 2004 (EST)
This is specifically a San Francisco page
This page is specifically intended to discuss challenges that people from other places who have visited Chinese restaurant in those other places may face when visiting Chinese restaurants in the San Francisco Bay Area.
I acknowledge that there may be some overlap with other North American cities which have large and recent Cantonese immigration (New York, Sacramento, Vancouver, Los Angeles), but the content as I envision it specifically applies to San Francisco.
In any case it is not useful as a general introduction to Amercan Chinese food, as many of the categories, as well as some of the characteristics of the categories, do not apply to Chinese food in nearly all of the US outside of the specific places mentioned above. Notty
I'm asserting that I'm the one who wrote the article so far. I grok the idea that this is too fine-grained for Wikitravel. At the same time, it is the article that I want to write. May I request this article be deleted, so that I can post it where it will be welcome? Notty
Good, I think we're getting somewhere. I just got back here from Wikipedia where I read the article you mention. It appears that most of my current article belongs in the Wikipedia, linked from the American Chinese Food article. However, I believe any correspondence between neighborhoods and types of Chinese food (for example traditional Sinicized Western food is found only in SF Chinatown, while modern Sinicized Chinese food can be also found in SF Richmond, SF Sunset, and Millbrae), or lists of restaurants serving a particular type of Chinese food, would seem to belong over here. Certainly I agree that reviews of particular restaurants belong over here. I believe this could be solved with suitable cross-linking.
There is a larger issue that the organization of Wikitravel is hierarchical by State/City/Neighborhood. This means that I have to look at each neighborhood to find out what kind of Chinese food can be found there (or Afghan, etc). Would it be in the spirit of Wikitravel to add an Eat section to San Francisco Bay Area where might be included somewhere in that section sentences like: "Modern Sinicized Chinese food can be found in San Francisco/Richmond, San Francisco/Sunset, and Millbrae." "Authentic Indian food is found in Fremont and in Pakistani restaurants in San Francisco/Tenderloin" etc.?
So, a review of San Francisco's only Musim Chinese restaurant would belong in the Sunset neighborhood where it is, but would be linked to from this article. If someone doesn't even know that San Francisco has a Muslim restaurant, and had no interest in going to the Sunset otherwise, how would they discover it? (Unless they are Muslim and are specifically searching for food which follows Islamic law.)
Finally, I'm concerned that the link from San Francisco that I orginally used to make this page has been removed, making this page an orphan. Obviously, some people are finding this page and commenting on it. Still, I'm concerned that people who might be interested in discussing whether this article is too granular won't see it to be able to discuss it. Unless I've been locked out from changing this, presumably I could add it back (and change the title back to San Francisco/Guidelines for choosing a Chinese restaurant). However, I don't want to get into an edit war.
I've just looked at the goals and slippery slope articles, and don't see where granularity is a non-goal. I do see from the slippery slope article that I need to only list or review restaurants I would recommend (which means that I won't be listing or reviewing any Americanized Chinese restaurants, although others might). I'd therefore like to respecfully suggest that this article be allowed to exist on Wikitravel under its original name (or something similar) rather than being mostly moved to Wikipedia (would also solve the issue of copyright differences between the two sites, as well as the issue of cross-linking) Notty
The story so far
2. Main comments against this page by other than me to date:
What I am going to do for now: 1. Rename the page to Bay Area (California)/Localized Chinese cuisine 2. Link to it from Bay Area (California) and San Francisco 3. Add a related restaurant review to a San Francisco restaurant. 4. Make one cross-link between that review and this page, to demonstrate the utility. 5. Make only minimal grammar and organizational changes to this page until further discussion reaches a consensus (of course, others can edit the page). 6. Raise the granularity question in the Travelers Pub
Notty 01:13, Feb 4, 2004 (EST)