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I removed the line stating Vancouver is the economic capital of western Canada, since Calgary has many more corporate head offices, is home the oil industry, and is growing much faster than Vancouver.
  
 
I've reduced the list of twenty cities down to just nine since that is our standard max for the number of cities to list at any level.  If you make changes to the selection, please note your reasoning here and also remember that NINE IS THE MAX. -- [[User:Cjensen|Colin]] 20:32, 29 October 2006 (EST)
 
I've reduced the list of twenty cities down to just nine since that is our standard max for the number of cities to list at any level.  If you make changes to the selection, please note your reasoning here and also remember that NINE IS THE MAX. -- [[User:Cjensen|Colin]] 20:32, 29 October 2006 (EST)

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I removed the line stating Vancouver is the economic capital of western Canada, since Calgary has many more corporate head offices, is home the oil industry, and is growing much faster than Vancouver.

I've reduced the list of twenty cities down to just nine since that is our standard max for the number of cities to list at any level. If you make changes to the selection, please note your reasoning here and also remember that NINE IS THE MAX. -- Colin 20:32, 29 October 2006 (EST)

Question ... in the USA page there is "Other Destinations" after Cities - in which they lost several National Parks ... may we PLEASEZZ do the same for the Canada page?? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by GregGH (talkcontribs)

Sure, it's a useful bit of information. Just keep it to a handful of the most popular non-city destinations. - Todd VerBeek 13:11, 31 March 2007 (EDT)

Regions

Would it make sense to break the country's regions into provinces, rather than cities? I guess this is a problem with the idea that Wikis are not generally hierarchical ... but geography is. Doesn't anybody else feel that this is a bit of an issue? It relates to some other discussions in the travellers' pub, like for example the one about article naming conventions. Or is hierarchy just something we won't worry about until later since this is a Wiki?

We have a beginning crack at a geographical hierarchy. Your input welcome. -- Evan 09:29, 22 Sep 2003 (PDT)


Personally I think that the 'state' (or 'district' or whatever conventional geographical subdivision the country is organised in) element of the heirarchy is very important (as well as the more general 'regions') because you can't list EVERYTHING at a country level. But you CAN list ten or twelve or even forty-five states without being overwhelming, and then people can refer down the list to get to the individual cities they're interested in. The exception for this is the Capital, and any other extremely major city that everyone will know about... But that's just MHO. KJ 20:47, 22 Sep 2003 (PDT)
Ok, reading the page on geographical hierarchy more carefully, I agree with the paragraph on regions. Here for example, it seems to make sense to break Canada into 6 or 7 regions rather than the 10 provinces + 3 territories. That keeps things from being overwhelming without being overly faithful to artificial/political boundaries. CL 01:20, 23 Sep 2003 (PDT)

So, what do you guys think? Do those regions make sense? A concern I have is for the uniqueness of names. For sure many places have something that could be called the West Coast. Does using the provinces make more sense then? Or should be just say "West Coast of Canada" and "Canadian Rockies", etc? Anyways, when I get a better sense of how best to do this, I will edit Victoria (Canada) and other entries to point smoothly back up the hierarchy (as San Francisco does ...) CL 01:40, 23 Sep 2003 (PDT)


It didn't make sense to move this talk page away with the CIA world factbook information, so I left it here with the new article. This is probably a good start for a proper travel article on Canada. Although it could probably be a bit more informative on background, culture, etc., I believe it covers the main points. Please comment, edit, or otherwise dissect ... --Ctylemay 12:56, 6 Oct 2003 (PDT)

Really nice content happening here. Great work! Majnoona


w/r/t the region names: I'm starting to get a little less happy about these. What about this?

The main difference with the current scheme is that a) we use "________ (Canada)" instead of "_____ of Canada" or "Canadian _____" as the disambiguator, which is more in line with the article naming conventions, and b) Central Canada is split into Ontario and Quebec. I think this is actually more reasonable, as these are the two most populous and densely-settled areas, and really deserve their own top-level regions. Barring objections, I'll make these changes. -- Evan 09:37, 8 Nov 2003 (PST)


I think that West Coast (Canada) is a poor choice for the region name. I think it would make a lot more sense to simply call it British Columbia. From what I can tell West Coast (Canada) is a region basically defined by what it is not. That is it is the part of British Columbia not part of the Rocky Mountains. This creates confusion as most of central British Columbia would not generally consider itself to be on the 'west coast'. I think that it makes a lot more sense just to call the region British Columbia and accept that there will be some overlap with Rocky Mountains. Wikitravel is not a heirarchical system and there is no reason that the regions have to be entirely distinct. The fact that the town of Fernie (British Columbia) would be within both the Rocky Mountains and British Columbia region is not a problem. Whereas having both British Columbia and West Coast (Canada) does create a lot of confusion as to where new information about these areas should be added. Probably once I get a little better at this, I will try to fix this up a bit. -- webgeer 11:05, July 21, 2004 (PST)

Hmm, I'd buy this. It seems like Quebec is both a province and a region so the same could go for BC, but I also see how "conceptually" BC West and BC East are different destinations. I think I'd defer to folks who know the area better than me, but it seems like people will end up in the right place if they look for BC or West Coast. Err, now that I think of it the "Coast" part is a little confusing since BC is technically a "coastal" province but parts of it are way the heck far away from any coast... geography is hard! Majnoona 14:24, 21 Jul 2004 (EDT)
I think the main problem is that having two separate regions (British Columbia and West Coast (Canada)) that are virtually identical will start creating divergence between the two, as they are separately edited. --Webgeer 14:58, 21 Jul 2004 (EDT)
I think I agree with the original suggestion that the pages should be divided into provinces. One good reason for doing this is the fact that in Canada, tourism is a provincial responsibility, and the provinces have already done the work of dividing their provinces into tourism regions. Why re-invent the wheel by making up our own regions when we can use theirs - it would make linking to goverment provided tourism information easier too. They probably already have had smart people figure out what makes sense to call a region in their province as the governments spend a fair bit on tourism information. --kmh 20:39, 08 Sep 2004 (EDT)

From a Canadian perspective, there are three, possibly four, acceptable ways to subdivide Canada dependant upon the context of discussion.

By Political Divisions (generally alphabetical)

Provinces

Territories


By Geographical Location and Terrain (often confusing, and in no particular order)

  • The Atlantic Region - All Atlantic islands/penninsulas and the easternmost small provinces Newfoundland (but NOT Labrador),P.E.I., Nova Scotia, New Brunswick, and the South-East corner of Quebec (also Known as the Appalacian Region).
  • The Rocky Mountain/Pacific Coastal Region - from the Eastern Foothils of the Rockies in Alberta to the Pacific Coast and the Yukon Territory and MacKenzie Mountains (also entirely known as the Cordilleran Region).
  • The Great Plains Region - West from the 100th Meridian up to and including the North end of Lake Winnipeg, due West from there through the southern half of Saskatchewan, most of Alberta, and North through the central part of the North West Territory to the Beufort Sea.
  • Hudson Bay Lowlands - The Eastern James Bay Area and South-West Hudson Bay area covering the Nort-easternmost corner of Manitoba and the majority of Northern Ontario.
  • The Canadian Shield Region - Most of Baffin Island, Labrador, approximately 90% of Quebec, the majority of Ontario, Eastern Manitoba up to Lake Winnipeg, Northern Manitoba, Northern Saskatchewan, and the continental sections of Nunavut.
  • The St. Lawrence Lowlands - from the Great Lakes through the St. Lawrence River valley until it arrives at sea level.


By Transportation and Common Regional Identity (tricky, yet accepted)

  • The Maritimes - Also known as the Atlantic Provinces in this context, they include Newfoundland and Labrador, PEI, New Brunswick, and Nova Scotia.
As a maritimer, I have to comment - this is incorrect usage of this term. "The Maritimes", in local usage, specifically does not include Newfoundland and Labrador. This is the difference between the "Atlantic Provinces" and the "Maritime(s) (Provinces)". As such the current regioning on the main page is correct IMO.
  • Eastern Canada - Ontario and Quebec, although there has been discussion in the past 15 years about North-west Ontario (from Sudbury West) joining Manitoba as one political division. This may be because of their low population combined with the resource wealth they hold is often viewed as providing the economic stability for Ontario while recieving much less by way of services and infrastructure due to geographic isolation.
  • Western Canada - Manitoba, Saskatchewan, and Alberta
  • British Columbia - Separated by the Rockies, British Columbians have (in a very vocal minority) often discussed a seperatist movement of their own.


By Population Base

  • Southern Ontario- The metro Toronto Area and the rest of Southern Ontario up to Ottawa-Hull.
  • The Rest of Canada - With seemingly little say in the decisions of the Federal Government, the rest of Canada glares at Southern Ontario while they look up from their cappuchinos and say, "What?"


As you might guess, there are some real simplifications to design the Canadian hierarchy based on provincial boundaries? There are relatively few National Parks in Canada, in comparison with the number of Provincial Parks. Check up on the list next door at Wikipedia. Tourism is valueable industry here. In some regions, it is the only industry. My thinking is that we should follow the most logical and simplistic means of organization.

Did you know that the Province of Manitoba is itself divided into between 3 and 6 regions?

But this of course, is just the thoughts of one geek way up at the end of the road in Northern Manitoba. --Weaponofmassinstruction

Whoops, forgot to add The Arctic to section 3 - Transportation and such. They are generally anywhere from the 63rd-66th paralell north. Weaponofmassinstruction

As a Yank driving across southern Canada, I was impressed by long stretches of quasi-wilderness to be crossed east of the Vancouver metropolis as far as the resorty parts of the Canadian Rockies. Even more quasi-wilderness to be traversed east of Winnipeg and north of Lakes Superior and Huron. Western Ontario mainly.

I was surprised to find French spoken more than English in Western Ontario, although most people were bilingual or even trilingual considering aboriginal languages. I came away with the impression that English-speaking southern Ontario must be a fairly recent overlay on a French-speaking hinterlands actually much larger than Quebec. LADave 16:03, 21 September 2007 (EDT)

Can we also have a map showing where each province is? As somebody who doesn't live in Canada I only know where Ontario and Quebec lie, it might be helpful for potential visitors. 161.12.7.4 06:55, 18 October 2007 (EDT)

Canadian dollar (CAD) also known as ...

Canadian dollar (CAD) - is also known as the loonie? Is there any truth to this suggestion. I know Americans call their currency the Greenback and a number of other Dollars have their own nicknames, what is the CAD called? - Huttite 16:43, 6 Jan 2005 (EST)

The Canadian Dollar is known as a "loonie" after the bird printed on the dollar coin. I'm not sure it's infobox material, but it's not really graffiti. -- Colin 16:40, 6 Jan 2005 (EST)
Add to Buy section -- Huttite 16:48, 6 Jan 2005 (EST)
And just for reference, WikiPedia:Loonie. -- Colin 17:02, 6 Jan 2005 (EST)
Yes, the CAD is known as the "loonie". Yes, it's for the bird. The name applies both to the currency unit and to the coin. The two-dollar coin is known as the "twonie". Ha ha. --Evan 22:05, 6 Jan 2005 (EST)
A note on the loonie - the loonie refers only to the one dollar coin. I've never heard anyone refer to the currency itself as "loonie". 70.53.126.25 01:42, 16 March 2007 (EDT)
It can also be spelled twonie to reflect the value of the currency. --Walter Görlitz 15:37, 24 March 2006 (EST)
Looks like I got here just in time. As a Canadian, I will be offering you folks PLENTY of advice and doing some revising on this page. Scootch on up a bit, and I'll fill you in on how Canadian Schools, News Agencies, and, subsequently, the Canadian People divide the nation into regions. 205.200.51.180 21:47, 20 Jan 2005 (EST) Weaponofmassinstruction
And FYI, the accepted spellings are "Loonie" and "Toonie", both are proper nouns.

heres one for you license fanatics: If I pull a Loonie, Toonie, a quarter (Canadian) and another quarter (American) out of my pocket and scan them, can I release that image to the public domain? 205.200.51.180 21:58, 20 Jan 2005 (EST)Weaponofmassinstruction

Images of Canadian currency are protected by the Royal Canadian Mint, and reproducing them is illegal unless the copy is marked as a sample or facsimilie and is obviously not intended to resemble actual currency (which usually means making the copy a different size)
I don't think this law applies to coinage.... you can't photocopy or print a coin. The law is meant to apply to paper currency.

Another shot at hierarchy

Now that we have Wikitravel:Breadcrumb navigation, the hierarchy of countries makes a lot more difference. Canada is a little out of whack, and I'd like to fix it. I'd like to use provinces for 1st and 2nd-level containers, and have a couple of regions at the higher level. From W to E, S to N, roughly:

Another option is to just leave out the regions, and only use provinces/territories. That's probably easiest; 11 is in spitting distance of 7+/-2. Comments? --Evan 12:12, 8 Dec 2005 (EST)

Credit Cards giving better Exchange rates than banks?

The exchange rates of both pale in comparrison to Currecny Exchanges, which often do the exchange for a flat fee, but generally credit cards do currency exchanges at a premium to bank exchanges. --Walter Görlitz 15:39, 24 March 2006 (EST)

The article say to use credit cards which is usually good advice. I.e. when I use my danish CC in Canada i pay 2% more than the official exchange rate set by the danish national bank. Today that is 5.33 DKK/CAN plus the 2%: 5.44 DKK/CAN.
The Royal Bank of Canada charges 5.87 DKK/CAN plus a CAN 3 service fee for non costumers.
There might the cheaper currency exchanges than that, but they also make money on the exchange rates (they generally do not buy and sell at the same rate) and because of the flat rate, you have exchange large amounts to make it worth it.
On my VISA card there is no fee for withdrawing cash so credit/debit cards is the cheapest option in most cases. Plus I do get air miles or cash back on some cards. --elgaard 21:07, 24 March 2006 (EST)

Canada is not Australia

So, I think that Canada is much more likely to be confused with its former colonial power, and its nearest neighbor, than it is to be confused with Australia (even by Australians). I just don't think that this is a "respect" issue for Canadians; there are very few ill-informed visitors here who expect kangaroos and Paul Hogan. There are, however, a number of visitors who think that Canada is "practically" the US, or that it's still subject to British rule. --Evan 16:40, 26 May 2006 (EDT)

I think we prefer to compare ourselves to Australia over the US or UK. Canada and Australia have very similar populations (in terms of numbers), ethnic makeups, geographical sizes, governmental systems, international roles, and social/ethical beliefs. Not to mention that Canadians hate being compared to Americans, and work hard to forge and maintain a national identity idependant of the UK. The Statue of Westminster and the new Canadian Constitution (1982) exist for this very reason. 74.110.71.97 19:08, 6 May 2007 (EDT)
From a political science perspective, Canada and Australia are very similar. From a traveler's perspective, not any more than the rest of former British colonies. Padraic 09:49, 7 May 2007 (EDT)

GAY / HOMOSEXUAL MARRIAGE

I would think that voicing opposition to gay marriage would be OK in canada, afterall, we are no Turkmenistan, we can express our political opinions, besides which much of the country is opposed to gay marriage, regardless of what the "majority thinks" there is a substantial minority opposed to gay marriage, especially in the west. Therefore I removed that caution.

New Entry Rules

So apparently [1] under the new tighter entry rules between the US and Canada, the guys at the Canadian border can pretty much see an American's entire criminal record including minor decade-old convictions. Maybe we need a note? -- Colin 00:53, 23 February 2007 (EST)

I've heard of people being turned away from the border several years ago because of minor criminal infractions. I'd been under the impression that the border patrol always had some kind of access to a travelers' criminal history. Anyhow, I'd support a note. -- Sapphire(Talk) • 01:17, 23 February 2007 (EST)

Getting There - By Air

The section on air travel to Canada still shows Air Canada as the only national airline in the country, which is a matter of dispute since Westjet carried 11 million passengers last year (mostly domestic) while Air Canada carried 34 million (deomestic, transborder and international). Furthermore, the section makes reference to "Air Tango", which is not only an incorrect title of the Air Canada subsidiary, it no longer exists as an entity.

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