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Watchlist Tab bug[edit]

I'd like to add the Bulgaria page to my watchlist, but there's not "watch" tab at the top-why not? (I am logged in.) AHands 03:14, 13 Dec 2004 (EST)

I think you can't add a page to your watchlist in this wiki without editing it (no idea why). --Logixoul 16:02, 1 Sep 2005 (EDT)
The lack of a watch list tab is caused by the way this wiki caches pages. You can view the watch tab if you click on the history or edit tab because that serves the database page rather than the cached page. -- Huttite 16:18, 16 Jan 2006 (EST)

Contributor links[edit]

The following external links may assist contributors to find information about Bulgaria. -- Huttite 16:14, 16 Jan 2006 (EST)

Kirilov's Taxi[edit]

I just didn't know what to do with the Kirilov's taxi advertisement. We don't usually have individual taxi companies listed in "Get around" (although we often have private or public bus companies), especially at the country level. Maybe this could go into Sofia? --Evan 09:48, 12 May 2006 (EDT)

Major clean up[edit]

I think somebody needs to go through this article and sort out the terrible English. I would but I don't really have the time.

Gabrovo[edit]

Guys, I'm doing the Sheki, Azerbaijan page and I would like to see the development of Gabrovo, because of the Soviet Humor Sister City connection. Could be good for eclectic travelers! Cupcakecommander 10:22, 25 July 2007 (EDT)

Section 4.4 - Iron Curtain[edit]

The sentence "...was a favorite destination for travelors behind the Iron Curtain...": being "behind" the Curtain depends on which side you are looking from, and is not good style. I suggest changing to "...was a favorite destination for travelers from former communist states in Central and Eastern Europe..." --Martin.letis 14:19, 7 August 2007 (EDT)

Wild Dogs[edit]

This section needs amending, mainly because at the moment it is just scary and in no way informative. Perhaps someone has information on how to know which beaches are infested with wild dogs? Any more helpful info on this would be an improvement, believe me.

Regions[edit]

Don't you think it's time for Bulgaria to have regions? We already have a(n empty) Northern Thrace article, which can be used for southeastern part of the country. We may also have a Bulgarian Black Sea Coast (or Black Sea Coast (Bulgaria)). But I'm afraid I can't be much of help for the rest of the country.

  • Speaking of Black Sea, I think we really need a disambiguating page which will provide links for parts of other countries that lie on shore of the Black Sea. I find it quite unacceptable to have Black Sea Coast with no disambiguations added assigned to Romania.--Vidimian 10:01, 21 November 2008 (EST)
Plunge forward! Jpatokal 01:18, 22 November 2008 (EST)
Does Bulgaria really need 9 top level regions?. --Burmesedays 13:10, 15 April 2010 (EDT)
Although never been to the country, here is my two cents about Bulgarian regional hierarchy.
Sofia Province and Northwest (2 and 4 linked articles each respectively) can be reasonably merged into Northwest. Northeast and Central Northern (2 and 3 linked articles respectively) can be merged into Northeast. Southwest (3 articles and some more info on cities and ODs without articles), one of the most well-travelled Bulgarian regions due to the skiing resorts there I guess, can stay as its own top level region. Central Southern (5 articles) and Southeast (one article) can be merged as Southeast, or better as Upper Thracian Plain, also known as Northern Thrace (and that would parallel already existing Western Thrace (of Greece) and Eastern Thrace (of Turkey) articles nicely). Black Sea coast (which I think should be renamed as more grammatically correct Bulgarian Black Sea Coast—am I right?) can turn into a well-written region article in the future, as that's a coherent region, so it should stay as is. And Bulgarian mountains is more of a travel topic or OD disambiguation kind of article, rather than about a contiguous region. So that may better be accordingly re-shaped. This will cut number of regions down to 5. – Vidimian 14:58, 15 April 2010 (EDT)
Ludogorie can also make sense as a name for current Northeast (without Central Northern merged). Central Northern, then, can be merged into Northwest. I'm proposing this because having a "Northeast" inland, while country's northeastmost sections located in another region (the Coast), may look silly. – Vidimian 15:18, 15 April 2010 (EDT)
Proposed regional scheme for Bulgaria - for discussion only

Many thanks Vidimian. Something like this perhaps:--Burmesedays 23:13, 16 April 2010 (EDT)

Looking deeper I am unconvinced with need a second level of provincial articles. Currently for example it goes: Bulgaria -> Southwest Bulgaria -> Blagoevgrad -> Bansko. Do we need the provincial level (Blagoevgrad in this case) of sub-regions?--Burmesedays 23:28, 16 April 2010 (EDT)
Yeah, the map seems about right, but I think it needs a couple of alterations:
  • If we are to avoid a "Northeast" region due to the reason in my last post above, the brownish/reddish region should be divided in two: make the oblast (or whatever they call the administrative units over there) of Ruse and the western half of the oblast of Varna into Ludogorie, and attach the oblast of Lovech to Northwest.
  • Plovdiv and the surrounding region should really be in Upper Thracian Plain, since the area is well known for ancient Thracian artifacts. In fact, I'd suggest putting all of the oblast of Plovdiv into Upper Thrace, except its southmost reaches around Smolyan, which I think better fits with Southwest due to the wintersports resort there.
I also think it's a great move to divide the northern regions from southern ones by the administrative boundaries, since they seem to follow the Balkan Mountains, the most prominent geographical feature of the country.
Regarding the provinces, I think they are residual from the time when there were no traveller-friendly regions for the country, even not in its current form. And I think they are useless, at least until when the region articles overflow with information—which I don't expect any time soon, given the current level of expansion of our Bulgarian coverage. So any bit info at those provincial articles can and should be moved to relevant region articles and they should be redirected.
I'd be glad to help with re-sorting cities into new regions and updating the breadcrumbs once the hierarchy is implemented, though that may take a couple of days to finish.
And a last minor note, the "credit" and "source" links at the image description of the discussion map on Shared both have one http// too many. I've just gone ahead and fixed this, which I should have done in the first place instead of quibbling here. :) – Vidimian 09:07, 17 April 2010 (EDT)
On a second thought, if we make Ludogorie its top-level region, there would be very little on that article. I'm still inclined to avoid a "Northeast" region, so if Central Northern Bulgaria sounds good enough in English, let's keep Lovech+Ruse+western half of Varna together and call that region Central Northern. If it does sound wierd, then I guess we have no other choice but to give the scheme of a seperate Ludogorie region and Lovech attached to the Northwest region a try. – Vidimian 09:35, 17 April 2010 (EDT)
Central Northern Bulgaria sounds fine to me, and your logic more than stacks up. The north/south admin boundaries are indeed convenient - I was also referring to a topo map yesterday, and you are dead right about the Balkans. All understood on Plovdiv and I totally agree that the province articles should go. I have just finished the Belize map, and Bulgaria is next on my list, so I will turn my mind to it over the next few days. If you could crack on the with work required to implement the new regions scheme, then that would be great.--Burmesedays 11:18, 17 April 2010 (EDT)
Map of Bulgaria

Here we are. Very much open to comment on the region boundaries, omissions etc. --Burmesedays 04:24, 18 April 2010 (EDT)

I think this is a pretty good map. – Vidimian 05:00, 18 April 2010 (EDT)
I don't really have a reason to think you will, but if you know anything about Albania, please comment at Talk:Albania#Regions. There are very few European countries left without Wikitravel maps, and it would be good to get them all knocked off.--Burmesedays 05:46, 18 April 2010 (EDT)
One minor fault I've just noticed on this map: There is no longer (since 2006) a "Serbia and Montenegro", it should be just Serbia. – Vidimian 09:12, 18 April 2010 (EDT)
Oh my. That's embarrassing. Will put it right immediately. Bizarrely, the United Nations Cartographic Dept still use the Serbia and Montenegro terminology. See this map for example. That's a 2004 map but it really should have been updated. --Burmesedays 10:23, 18 April 2010 (EDT)

Other destinations[edit]

There are none listed in the main article. There is a note saying - see region articles - but there are none in any of those either. Can somebody please put together a list of Bulgaria's top other destinations and place them in the main article (maximum of 9). Thanks. --Burmesedays 13:13, 15 April 2010 (EDT)

From what I gather from region articles, the ODs that could be featured on country article (and map) can be Risa Monastery (a UNESCO World Heritage Site, it has no article yet, but listed and described a little at OD section of Southwest Bulgaria), Pirin (a national park currently listed at Bulgarian mountains), and Kamen Bryag of the coast (although it seems it is a village, its hippy-ish atmosphere may qualify it as a borderline OD?). And I can add Madara to that (no article yet, currently only displayed at Shumen#Get out), which is known for its medieval rock relief, a UNESCO World Heritage Site (though no idea if it's a village or not. It can, however be pipelinked as [[Madara|Madara Rider]], so that makes it qualified to be listed as an OD). – Vidimian 15:11, 15 April 2010 (EDT)

Camping[edit]

In the "Sleep" section no mention is made of camping so I'm wonder how easy it is to find campgrounds and whether there are places where it's OK to camp for free. — Hippietrail 06:04, 31 August 2011 (EDT)

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