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The article claims the following: "At Strandkaien and in Strandgaten, you'll find Bergen's red light district at night. As prostitution is legal in Norway, it is unfortunately very visible. Prostitutes can be very ongoing. Although the risk of getting in to trouble is very low, families should be aware of the area, as not to expose their children to the sad reality. "
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The article claims the following: "At Strandkaien and in Strandgaten, you'll find Bergen's red light district at night. As prostitution is legal in Norway, it is unfortunately very visible. (Prostitution is NOT legal in Norway, and even tho the chances are slim you will be fined 30 000 kr if you´re caught braking this law. It´s not elegal to sell, but verry much elegal to buy..) Prostitutes can be very ongoing. Although the risk of getting in to trouble is very low, families should be aware of the area, as not to expose their children to the sad reality. "
  
 
It is true that there might be some prostitutes in this area. However they are very reare to be seen. Personally I have been living many years in Bergen, and have seen prostitutes there only a few times. I disagree that this is a large problem in Bergen.
 
It is true that there might be some prostitutes in this area. However they are very reare to be seen. Personally I have been living many years in Bergen, and have seen prostitutes there only a few times. I disagree that this is a large problem in Bergen.
  
As a 3rd. opinion i would say that prostitution is visible in Bergen if you are in Strandgaten. I used to live in that area before and if i was walking alone you could be sure to get at least one confrontation by one of the 3-4girls. If you stay outside of these areas prostitution is not a large problems and people should generally stay away from these areas.
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As a 3rd. opinion i would say that prostitution is visible in Bergen if you are in Strandgaten. I used to live in that area before and if i was walking alone you could be sure to get at least one confrontation by one of the 3-4girls. If you stay outside of these areas prostitution is not a large problems and people should generally stay away from these areas. (That depends... If you want to experience Bergen by night you´re bound to come to this area sooner or later. It´s pretty close to the city center heart. Allmost right next to the fish market just a street away, and the famous blue rock. This area is always a bit crowded, because of that fact, and because the area is packed with pubs and nightclubs. And if you happen to find yourself in Bergen with your family, then you shouldn´t roam theese streets during the night with you´re kids anyway because of all the drunk people. If you happen to do this anyway, and you spot some prostitutes. Then I´m pretty sure they´re not going to scare you´re kids even half as much as a raving drunk madman would. If you´re lucky, then there´s just one raving drunk madman.)
  
 
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: I concur, that infobox fits better for the Norway guide... --[[User:Sertmann|Stefan (sertmann)]] <small><sup>[[User_talk:Sertmann|Talk]]</sup></small> 13:31, 15 February 2009 (EST)
 
: I concur, that infobox fits better for the Norway guide... --[[User:Sertmann|Stefan (sertmann)]] <small><sup>[[User_talk:Sertmann|Talk]]</sup></small> 13:31, 15 February 2009 (EST)
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Maybe. But then we need a map. Are ther anyone out there that can make maps. I have tried to figure out how to do it. But ... [[User:ViMy|ViMy]] 07:01, 4 July 2010 (EDT)
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:Try [[Wikitravel:How to draw a map]]! It might require some time at first, but everyone can do it. This article is of great quality and I think it can be nominated for star when a map is present. --[[User:Globe-trotter|globe-trotter]] 10:10, 4 July 2010 (EDT)
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:: I have. What I could not figure out is how to aquire a base map. I understand how to place symbols. [[User:ViMy|ViMy]] 16:21, 4 July 2010 (EDT)
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:::It's easy and also explained there. In short, visit [http://www.openstreetmap.org/], search for 'Bergen', then press Export. There you can create a PNG base map which you can import into Inkscape. --[[User:Globe-trotter|globe-trotter]] 12:06, 5 July 2010 (EDT)
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This is indeed a great article. I cropped and brightened the lead image, but I'm still not sure it's the best for the top of the article, as it is fairly colorless. I would also encourage you to spread the images out a bit throughout the article, to break up the large sections of black on white text, and to enlarge the pictures a bit. Currently, they are all using the syntax "thumb|right", but "right" is redundant, and could be replaced with "260px" or "280px"—something like that.
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Some work left to be done, but it would be fantastic to see our first Norwegian [[Wikitravel:Star articles|star]]! --[[User:Peterfitzgerald|Peter]] <small><sup>[[User_talk:Peterfitzgerald|Talk]]</sup></small> 20:10, 5 July 2010 (EDT)
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: Yeah. There has to be done something with the pictures. [[User:ViMy|ViMy]] 12:36, 6 July 2010 (EDT)
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:I had to remove the 260/280 px setting from the pictures, as it caused some kind of weird software error. [[User:129.177.48.174|129.177.48.174]] 05:13, 15 October 2010 (EDT)
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== See and Drink ==
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This section are organized by districts. Should drink be aranged by price range. And See alpabheticly? What do '''you''' think ?
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[[User:ViMy|ViMy]] 15:34, 20 July 2010 (EDT)
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:I can't find anything about this in the [[Wikitravel:Manual_of_style|Manual of style]], but I think it is a bad idea to rearrange the sections. It's much more convenient for people who visit the city to have a list of bars and attractions organised by area, it will make it easier to navigate. [[User:129.177.48.174|129.177.48.174]] 05:12, 15 October 2010 (EDT)
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:Guidelines on how to arrange drink lists: [[Wikitravel:Bar_listings]] [[User:81.191.106.197|81.191.106.197]] 05:54, 16 October 2010 (EDT)

Latest revision as of 07:04, 3 March 2013

This article was the Collaboration of the week between 18 December 2007 and 25 December 2007.

This article has Star potential. It’s well written with great information. However, for Star status it needs both to be entirely complete and to perfectly match the Manual of style. If you see how it can be improved, please plunge forward or point it out on the talk page.


Contents

Picture[edit]

I've read that pictures are necessary: this one (mine, CC-ed) could be used (if the queslity is considered acceptable by the community): http://www.flickr.com/photos/i_am_neuron/1303785088 This is somewhere nearby Bergen YMCA hostel; either Nedre Korskirkeallmenningen (Torget is to my left), or the next one, parallel street (locals, please correct). I've browsed through the rest of my pictures from Norway, but this is the only one of Bergen, which passes my internal quality control. I-am-neuron 12:39, 19 May 2008 (EDT)

Research links[edit]

Ext links deleted from the article which may be useful as research links

Disambiguation or Famous?[edit]

Hello! The name "Bergen" is also the often used short name of the town "Bergen auf Rügen" on the island called "Rügen" in Baltic Sea, the capital town of the administrative district Rügen (district) in Mecklenburg-Western Pomerania, Germany. --Atlas 04:22, 1 Feb 2006 (EST)

There is also Bergen (North Dakota), Bergen County, Bergen (New Jersey) but I think being the second city of Norway makes it more a famous place. The other Bergens could be mentioned on a Bergen (disambiguation) page, once people write articles about them. -- Huttite 05:14, 1 Feb 2006 (EST)

The famous Royksopp is from Bergen just thought you would like to know! Traveler2006 13:52, 28 March 2006 (EST)

Nope, they are not, they are from Tromsø, they only live here.

Varg Vikernes[edit]

I don't think that there should be so much about Varg Vikernes' trial under the section about Fantoft stave church. Maybe a line about the fact that a satanist most probably was responsible for the arson, but I think it's wrong to give the entire history of the case here – that belongs in Wikipedia and is of no interest to the average traveler. Unless someone can convince me not to, I will rewrite the paragraph and remove some of the info. --80.202.102.202 16:10, 28 May 2007 (EDT)

Prostitution[edit]

The article claims the following: "At Strandkaien and in Strandgaten, you'll find Bergen's red light district at night. As prostitution is legal in Norway, it is unfortunately very visible. (Prostitution is NOT legal in Norway, and even tho the chances are slim you will be fined 30 000 kr if you´re caught braking this law. It´s not elegal to sell, but verry much elegal to buy..) Prostitutes can be very ongoing. Although the risk of getting in to trouble is very low, families should be aware of the area, as not to expose their children to the sad reality. "

It is true that there might be some prostitutes in this area. However they are very reare to be seen. Personally I have been living many years in Bergen, and have seen prostitutes there only a few times. I disagree that this is a large problem in Bergen.

As a 3rd. opinion i would say that prostitution is visible in Bergen if you are in Strandgaten. I used to live in that area before and if i was walking alone you could be sure to get at least one confrontation by one of the 3-4girls. If you stay outside of these areas prostitution is not a large problems and people should generally stay away from these areas. (That depends... If you want to experience Bergen by night you´re bound to come to this area sooner or later. It´s pretty close to the city center heart. Allmost right next to the fish market just a street away, and the famous blue rock. This area is always a bit crowded, because of that fact, and because the area is packed with pubs and nightclubs. And if you happen to find yourself in Bergen with your family, then you shouldn´t roam theese streets during the night with you´re kids anyway because of all the drunk people. If you happen to do this anyway, and you spot some prostitutes. Then I´m pretty sure they´re not going to scare you´re kids even half as much as a raving drunk madman would. If you´re lucky, then there´s just one raving drunk madman.)

To do[edit]

This article needs:

  • A thorough spell check and language cleanup
  • A map
  • Pictures - there is quite a few on Flickr that may be used. Of those in the article, some should probably be replaced or removed.
  • Add information about accessibility for the disabled
  • Re-style listings, add tags and coordinates
  • Understand
    • History
    • Climate
    • Geography, surroundings
    • Culture
    • Patriotism
      • Soccer
  • Get in
    • Visa and passport requirements, EU, Schengen
    • By plane
      • Airport café - prices
      • Car rental
  • See
    • Johanneskirken
    • Mariakirken
    • Bergen museum
    • The Arboretum and Botanical Garden
    • Gamle Bergen
    • Bergen Maritime Museum
    • Leprosy museum
    • Alvøen
    • Lysøen
    • Buekorpsmuseet
    • Pepperkakebyen
    • Bryggen
      • More about history and the situation today
      • Museums
        • Bryggens museum (put it in the Bryggen section)
        • The Hanseatic Museum (put it in the Bryggen section)
        • Theta museum
  • Do
    • Hiking (rewrite, add some more recommended trips). Freedom to roam.
    • Diving
    • Bathing
    • Guided tours, sightseeing
    • Concerts
      • Bergen Philharmonic Orchestra
      • Bergen Live
      • Bergen jazzforum
      • Swing 'n' sweet
    • Theater
      • Den Nationale Scene
      • Teatergarasjen
    • Events
      • Nattjazz
      • Bergenfest
      • Bergen International Festival
      • 17 May
      • Lysfesten
      • BIFF
  • Learn (general expansion)
  • Buy
    • Shops
      • Husfliden
      • Rubens varme gleder
      • Blonder og stas
      • Julehuset
      • ZUMM design
      • Troll
      • Juhl's silver gallery
      • Kjøttbasaren
    • Shopping centers
    • Tax free shopping
  • Eat
    • Add some a few more words about local food
    • Add more listings, especially budget and splurge
  • Drink
    • Structure - divide listings into groups
  • Sleep
    • Camping. Freedom to camp.
    • More mid-range and splurge hotels
    • Add more accomodation options
  • Cope - should be organized a bit better, add some words about religious services, and about language
  • Get out
    • Norway in a nutshell?
    • The fjords?
    • Øygarden?
    • Mjølfjell
    • Voss
    • Flåm, Flåmsbanen

Excellent![edit]

This article is great! I've nominated it for DOTM May 2008. However, my one concern is that some parts of this — eg. every man's right, the bits about Norwegian police and so on — belong more in the Norway article than here.

And an OSM map of Bergen that could be used for Wikitravel is now available here. Jpatokal 23:08, 9 February 2008 (EST)

Finally someone else! I feel like I have been working on this article for ages, I thought I was all alone in here… I'm the guy who did most of the work. I prefer not to register so it's a bit hard to trace it. Anyway, I'm glad you're happy with the article. I'm not sure I think it's ready to be DOTM yet (but it might be by May), in some places I think it's too extensive (I just removed some of what you mentioned), and at least the bold parts of the to do-list above should be fixed. I've tried to make a map, but I'm afraid it's beyond my level of understanding. I hope that someone can help me out. 80.202.112.184 08:45, 10 February 2008 (EST)
Please do make sure the content is already in the Norway article before you remove anything...
And if you click on the URL above, you'll get a usable street map of Bergen. Cut out the parts you don't need, add icons on top for hotels, restaurants etc and you're set! Jpatokal 11:57, 10 February 2008 (EST)
It is. And I will. At least try. 80.202.112.184 15:36, 10 February 2008 (EST)
That map thing really beats me. I neither have the software nor the knowledge. I mean, I could always find a way to make an ugly raster map, but I don't think it's right to put that much work in something that should be replaced after all. I cross my fingers and hope that someone who have made a Wikitravel style map before will come and rescue me (I will of course help out as good as I can). 80.202.112.184, now 129.177.169.42 11:34, 12 February 2008 (EST)
I finally figured things out. Working on a map now. 129.177.169.42, now 84.48.163.223 05:52, 10 April 2008 (EDT)

Aquavit[edit]

Great Infobox about aquavit. But I think this belongs to the article about Norway. Since aquavit is a tradition not special only for Bergen, but rather for all of Norway. ViMy 12:52, 15 February 2009 (EST)

I concur, that infobox fits better for the Norway guide... --Stefan (sertmann) Talk 13:31, 15 February 2009 (EST)

Can this article become a star ?[edit]

Maybe. But then we need a map. Are ther anyone out there that can make maps. I have tried to figure out how to do it. But ... ViMy 07:01, 4 July 2010 (EDT)

Try Wikitravel:How to draw a map! It might require some time at first, but everyone can do it. This article is of great quality and I think it can be nominated for star when a map is present. --globe-trotter 10:10, 4 July 2010 (EDT)
I have. What I could not figure out is how to aquire a base map. I understand how to place symbols. ViMy 16:21, 4 July 2010 (EDT)
It's easy and also explained there. In short, visit [1], search for 'Bergen', then press Export. There you can create a PNG base map which you can import into Inkscape. --globe-trotter 12:06, 5 July 2010 (EDT)

This is indeed a great article. I cropped and brightened the lead image, but I'm still not sure it's the best for the top of the article, as it is fairly colorless. I would also encourage you to spread the images out a bit throughout the article, to break up the large sections of black on white text, and to enlarge the pictures a bit. Currently, they are all using the syntax "thumb|right", but "right" is redundant, and could be replaced with "260px" or "280px"—something like that.

Some work left to be done, but it would be fantastic to see our first Norwegian star! --Peter Talk 20:10, 5 July 2010 (EDT)

Yeah. There has to be done something with the pictures. ViMy 12:36, 6 July 2010 (EDT)
I had to remove the 260/280 px setting from the pictures, as it caused some kind of weird software error. 129.177.48.174 05:13, 15 October 2010 (EDT)

See and Drink[edit]

This section are organized by districts. Should drink be aranged by price range. And See alpabheticly? What do you think ? ViMy 15:34, 20 July 2010 (EDT)

I can't find anything about this in the Manual of style, but I think it is a bad idea to rearrange the sections. It's much more convenient for people who visit the city to have a list of bars and attractions organised by area, it will make it easier to navigate. 129.177.48.174 05:12, 15 October 2010 (EDT)
Guidelines on how to arrange drink lists: Wikitravel:Bar_listings 81.191.106.197 05:54, 16 October 2010 (EDT)

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