Laundry advice deletion
Few weeks ago i've posted an entire paragraph "Laundry advice" explaining to travelers where they can do their laundry in Beijing for very little money. Why it has been deleted and by who?!! I will post it again and if it bothers someone may he display his reasons why he doesn't want travelers to make their laundry for a reasonable sum of money. Does someone from the hotels/agency here has interest in ripping-off tourists??
While more content, excessive promotion of particular restuarants / bars is against Wiktravel policy and will be deleted. Just so you know! --Julian Suddaby 05:23, 14 July 2008 (EDT)
This page is now almost certainly too long, especially on a slow Chinese internet connection. Much smaller cities have been broken down into sections and I'd say this one should be too. Agree? Sachabrunel 11:24, 23 April 2008 (EDT)
I don't think it is too long since the amount of information is just so much. The only alternative would be to change the location of different sites to separate pages listed under each district. Also, I just think it makes more sense to have "Understand" before the districts...--Guiyang laoshi 19:20, 16 December 2008 (EST)
Once again and I summarize...
1) If you want to add the Chinese name for some place's name, it does not help if you write it like this:
Tho this is very common in many travel books as well (and only accepted because nobody knows better), it doesnt make sense at all! Even native Chinese speakers have big problems to get the meaning out of something like "Yiheyuan". With this example it might work, but there are other places less famous. I would even go as far to say, it's wrong. And wrong stuff doesn't belong into an encyclopedia.
If you want to add an name in chinese, it should look like this
If you are not able to write Chinese, at least write the correct Romanizations, using those important stokes above each vowel -> Read about Chinese romanization 
This is according to the rules: Wikitravel:Romanization
2) I would like to start something like a "Write proper Pinyin" campaign. Like those notes in the end of the article "Names of places in this article don't have proper names in Chinese & Pinyin If you are fammilar to the Chinese language, please help correcting those" Can somebody help?
Best time to travel and more detail!!!
One of the most important things a traveler needs to know is missing from this article....."The best time to travel to China"!!!! Now, when i say best, I mean a combination of all three likes. Personally, I prefer to travel during Low season BUT.....I need to know what months those are. I have been reading all the stuff about China, and Beijing, etc... and the most I have seen about the traveling seasons is "kids come home at the end of the school break and the locals travel home during the such and such break, etc...." Yes, don’t get me wrong, the articles did say to avoid China around the Chinese New Year and Labor holiday, but I NEED ACTUAL MONTHS!! Something simple (remember the KISS method) like "the cheapest months to go to China are May, June, July (for example only)....but it is cheap because of blah, blah, blah". See how that works? Simple, clean cut, and detailed.
Also, I noticed that there isn’t too much detail about itineraries. I mean…I would like to see a sample itinerary. I saw something similar but it was really lacking. I mean maybe I am not using this web site correctly, but I thought that this website was suppose to give travel info from the people that have been and although there is much info about the countries back ground and other facts, etc., it is still missing the all important ”sample itinerary”. For instance, yes…I know I need to go to the Forbidden City, but how much time should I leave for this and how long does it take to get there, etc… How many things can I actually do/see in one day? Now granted everyone is different and will have different paces that they sightsee at, but…in general you should be able to give me some kind of idea of how much I can see in one day, and the times, etc..
I want to plan a trip to China and hit all the important spots, but I also want to try to fly over to Tokyo and such. This is what people look for. I have traveled to many countries and when ever people travel to the countries that I have been, they always ask me “so…what did you do, how did you do it, when did you it, and what did you not do, and what did you not want to do”, etc…. And I can always tell then.
So…I ask you this…please help me plan my trip!
China National Grand Theatre?
There's very little information about The Egg online and this article doesn't even mention it. Isn't it something worth seeing?
Given that this city will be the future destination for many tourists, shouldn't a section about "scams" be included. There are lots of money hungry scammers in this city, it would be nice to list a few of the popular scamming methods. But of course this goes against the wikitravel conventional style. But if any one thinks its a good idea, just say so and I can add the section later with material. If some one thinks its a bad idea ...please say so, don't want my input deleted.
-Yes, I agree. I would include a section of scammers at the airport for the most part! Theres fake taxis and the people trying to take an 'exit fee' from you before you get into the secured area.
I don't know how to edit on Wikipedia, but I think that you should add the Peninsula Palace Hotel in Wangfujing (www.peninsula.com). They've just had something like a 37million USD refit and it is an amazing hotel.
Cope/Safety tips etc
Most of the Safety and Cope tips apply to all China and are not only for a specific city. What to do? I have 2 suggestions. Either...
LiangHH 05 Jan 2006
It would be very good to start collecting the information about the bus lines here. I would suggest a photo of each bus line map and links to the stops. Each stop could be documented as to the interesting things in the area.
It should have a list of all the chinese characters that occur in all the stops. it could contain information about the meaning and pronouciation of the char. Each Bus Stop could have its own wiki entry with all relevant information It would be incredibly useful to have a sorted list of bus stops names in a small booklet and a map that could be printed out the wikipedia.
I would like to discuss this topic with anyone.
Places to drink
Why does 'The Tree' get a special mention in the places to drink section? It is a nice place, but should be included within the description of Sanlitun, I reckon. --Julian Suddaby 02:11, 9 July 2007 (EDT)
Can anyone clarify the different between the "standard" and "pure" beer? --Stefan Wrobel, 13:18, 28 Sept 2007 (EDT)
There's a tall hill on the island in Beihai Park as well as in Jingshan Park, so should the second paragraph of the article be changed to reflect that fact?
Michael 22:22, 12 Apr 2006 (UTC)
Source for place names in Chinese
The whole article and the comments are very USA centered. Not everybody gets homesick and wants Texan food. And anyway, someone who wants to eat steak in China is in the wrong place.
I will add the following info:
Coping - diet
Is it necessary to advise people to bring diet supplements? Eating too much meat may be a problem for tourists who order too much meat at restaurants -- wouldn't it be better to say they should make sure they order more vegetables and eat more fruit while they are in Beijing? Wikipedia has a page on dietary fiber here: . --Julian Suddaby 02:12, 9 July 2007 (EDT)
For anything transcribed to pinyin it would be very helpful to get the tones with it, e.g. (ni2 hao3, instead of ni hao)
There are a number of chinese characters in this article that show up as squares or question marks in my browser. These need to be changed to the correct HTML character codes, or excluded from the article. I do not have the correct character sets loaded to show these characters correctly. See Wikitravel:Foreign-language names for how foreign languages should be shown. -- Huttite 18:47, 2 Oct 2004 (EDT)
Collaboration of the month September 2008
This article was a collaboration of the Month for September 2008. The goals were:
Breaking the Beijing article up in districts
It seems that further work on breaking the Beijing article up in districts is needed. Does anyone plan on starting any of the districts? Further, has anyone any thoughts on whether each district (each 'qu' that is) should have its own article or if some of the districts should be merged? It seems like a lot of articles to have 18 in total, maybe some of the nothern districts could be merged and maybe also some of the central ones could. Does anyone work on an overall Beijing map showing the location of the different districts?--ClausHansen 07:18, 26 February 2009 (EST)
I have noticed some recent deletions that I would like to comment on
--ClausHansen 13:54, 1 June 2009 (EDT)
stay safe section' I have remodeled following sentence" The rule of thumb here is that if anyone of Chinese descent approaches you at a tourist spot speaking English, do not go into any building of their choosing." I feel putting it like this is still not safe enough. No Caucasian can possibly tell the difference between Chinese and other East-Asian nationalities. Thus it is perhaps more advisable to say "East-Asians',as any Chinese - or any person of Chinese descent - could easily pose as Japanese, Korean, Thai etc. Moreover, Chinese - or any person of Chinese descent- might know bits and pieces of other languages, such as French, German, Spanish, and even Russian. So why don't we put it like this : The rule of thumb here is that if anyone of East-Asian descent approaches you at a tourist spot speaking any language other than Chinese, do not go into any building of their choosing."' Or like mom and dad put it ' don't talk to strangers', it's even shorter.
Breaking Beijing Suburbs Article up in a number of articles
I am planning on doing some work on the Beijing Suburbs Article, but find it difficult to handle a huge district like this in one article. It covers 10 administrative districts located very far away from each other with different characteristics. If a traveller happens to want to visit one specific area he would not want to have to go through a long article with information on districts far away from the one of interest. Therefore, I plan to split the article as shown below even though some of the articles will be quite short
Any comments on this are most welcome! ClausHansen 22:45, 2 July 2009 (EDT)
From the end of the article:
"Air pollution has traditionally been a big problem in Beijing. Car exhaust, coal burning, and dust storms from the Gobi desert combined to make some of the worst city air on the planet. Winter is the worst time as the cold air creates an inversion layer and traps the pollution in the city. A white surgical face mask may help with the occasional dust storms. Since 2007, the air quality has improved considerably as a result of stringent measures put in place before the Olympics. While bouts of severe smog still occur, the overall situation is greatly improved.”
I think this makes the situation sound much better than it actually is. Sounds like China Daily wrote it. But I am only a visitor and can only compare it to where I come from, so can anyone who actually knows comment or change it? Thanks. 126.96.36.199 09:42, 19 August 2010 (EDT)
I don't think so. The air in Beijing is not good but is not worse than in most cities of the same size.