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Beautiful nail supplies wholesale
 
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Cheap quality products
==Advertising==
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Nail polish, nail file, hardware, tools, etc.
While I encourage people to add content, excessive promotion of particular restuarants / bars is against Wiktravel policy and will be deleted.  Just so you know!
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Phone:086-010-67071260
--[[User:Juliansuddaby|Julian Suddaby]] 05:23, 14 July 2008 (EDT)
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Contacts:lulu
 
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E-mail:lduyul@yahoo.com.cn
== Too Long ==
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This page is now almost certainly too long, especially on a slow Chinese internet connection. Much smaller cities have been broken down into sections and I'd say this one should be too. Agree? [[User:Sachabrunel|Sachabrunel]] 11:24, 23 April 2008 (EDT)
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:I totally agree.  I need to look around to see how other cities did it though -- got any particular examples in mind? --[[User:Juliansuddaby|Julian Suddaby]] 05:30, 14 July 2008 (EDT)
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== Chinese Placenames ==
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''by [[User:LiangHH|LiangHH]]''
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Once again and I summarize...
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1) If you want to add the Chinese name for some place's name, it does not help if you write it like this:
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*'''Summer Palace''' (Yiheyuan)
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Tho this is very common in many travel books as well (and only accepted because nobody knows better), it doesnt make sense at all! Even native Chinese speakers have big problems to get the meaning out of something like "Yiheyuan".  With this example it might work, but there are other places less famous.  I would even go as far to say, it's wrong. And wrong stuff doesn't belong into an encyclopedia.
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If you want to add an name in chinese, it should look like this
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*'''Summer Palace''' (颐和园 ''Yíhéyuán'')
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If you are not able to write Chinese, at least write the correct Romanizations, using those important  stokes above each vowel -> Read about Chinese romanization [http://en.wikipedia.org/en/Pinyin]
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This is according to the rules: [[Wikitravel:Romanization]]
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2) I would like to start something like a "Write proper Pinyin" campaign. Like those notes in the end of the article
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"Names of places in this article don't have proper names in Chinese & Pinyin
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If you are fammilar to the Chinese language, please help correcting those"
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Can somebody help?
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:I agree that the current pinyin system is not great.  Looking around I found two webpages that are particularly useful for editing these entries -- Adsotrans [http://www.adsotrans.com/new.html] can convert characters to pinyin with the diacritics, and Pinyin.info [http://www.pinyin.info/readings/zyg/rules.html] has a good section on pinyin rules to refresh people's memories.  If everybody uses those then things will turn out much neater.  Also, Pinyin.info also advises, and so does the Wikitravel romanization page, to avoid italicizing pinyin.  Looks better to me too. --[[User:Juliansuddaby|Julian Suddaby]] 02:17, 9 July 2007 (EDT)
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::There was a later debate on the Romanization page that indicated italic was best for pinyin.  Although I think it's kind of ugly, that's the why I'll be doing it now! --[[User:Juliansuddaby|Julian Suddaby]] 06:14, 14 July 2008 (EDT)
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== Best time to travel and more detail!!! ==
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One of the most important things a traveler needs to know is missing from this article....."The best time to travel to China"!!!! Now, when i say best, I mean a combination of all three likes. Personally, I prefer to travel during Low season BUT.....I need to know what months those are. I have been reading all the stuff about China, and Beijing, etc... and the most I have seen about the traveling seasons is "kids come home at the end of the school break and the locals travel home during the such and such break, etc...." Yes, don’t get me wrong, the articles did say to avoid China around the Chinese New Year and Labor holiday, but I NEED ACTUAL MONTHS!! Something simple (remember the KISS method) like "the cheapest months to go to China are May, June, July (for example only)....but it is cheap because of blah, blah, blah". See how that works? Simple, clean cut, and detailed.  
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Also, I noticed that there isn’t too much detail about itineraries. I mean…I would like to see a sample itinerary. I saw something similar but it was really lacking. I mean maybe I am not using this web site correctly, but I thought that this website was suppose to give travel info from the people that have been and although there is much info about the countries back ground and other facts, etc., it is still missing the all important
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”sample itinerary”. For instance, yes…I know I need to go to the Forbidden City, but how much time should I leave for this and how long does it take to get there, etc… How many things can I actually do/see in one day? Now granted everyone is different and will have different paces that they sightsee at, but…in general you should be able to give me some kind of idea of how much I can see in one day, and the times, etc..
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I want to plan a trip to China and hit all the important spots, but I also want to try to fly over to Tokyo and such. This is what people look for. I have traveled to many countries and when ever people travel to the countries that I have been, they always ask me “so…what did you do, how did you do it, when did you it, and what did you not do, and what did you not want to do”, etc…. And I can always tell then.
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So…I ask you this…please help me plan my trip!
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: mid-March to mid-April, mid-October to mid-November would be the best. [[User:218.68.245.244|218.68.245.244]] 08:28, 10 April 2007 (EDT)
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::I think some of the issues the original poster raised still need to be addressed. --[[User:Juliansuddaby|Julian Suddaby]] 06:14, 14 July 2008 (EDT)
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== China National Grand Theatre? ==
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There's very little information about The Egg online and this article doesn't even mention it. Isn't it something worth seeing?
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:yes , it is a great building, worth seeing. and easy to get there , in the main street "chang an jie" in beijing
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== Scams ==
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Given that this city will be the future destination for many tourists, shouldn't a section about "scams" be included. There are lots of money hungry scammers in this city, it would be nice to list a few of the popular scamming methods. But of course this goes against the wikitravel conventional style. But if any one thinks its a good idea, just say so and I can add the section later with material. If some one thinks its a bad idea ...please say so, don't want my input deleted.
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-Yes, I agree.  I would include a section of scammers at the airport for the most part!  Theres fake taxis and the people trying to take an 'exit fee' from you before you get into the secured area.
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: There's already a big "Stay safe" section at the end, folks...  and why do you think this goes against "wikitravel conventional style"!?  I've added an infobox into the By plane area also. [[User:Jpatokal|Jpatokal]] 21:49, 20 Oct 2005 (EDT)
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== Hotels ==
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I don't know how to edit on Wikipedia, but I think that you should add the Peninsula Palace Hotel in Wangfujing (www.peninsula.com). They've just had something like a 37million USD refit and it is an amazing hotel.
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:It's been added --[[User:Juliansuddaby|Julian Suddaby]] 05:34, 14 July 2008 (EDT)
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== Cope/Safety tips etc ==
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Most of the Safety and Cope tips apply to all China and are not only for a specific city.
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What to do? I have 2 suggestions. Either...
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*Delete all the general advice from the city pages and link to the country page where they are collected. Like >>For generell advice about travelling China see [[China#Stay_safe]]<<
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or
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*Simply complete all the city pages by copying the advice from the other cities. Beijing has good advices which could be copied to Chengdu for example, which has no adive. (A LOT OF WORK!)
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[[User:LiangHH|LiangHH]] 05 Jan 2006
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: The info should be concentrated in Stay safe.  However, Beijing has more than its fair share of scams, so this definitely needs to be highlighted there as well. [[User:Jpatokal|Jpatokal]] 00:55, 5 Jan 2006 (EST)
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== Beijing buses ==
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It would be very good to start collecting the information about the bus lines here. I would suggest a photo of each bus line map and links to the stops. Each stop could be documented as to the interesting things in the area.
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It should have a list of all the chinese characters that occur in all the stops.
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it could contain information about the meaning and pronouciation of the char.
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Each Bus Stop could have its own wiki entry with all relevant information
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It would be incredibly useful to have a sorted list of bus stops names in a small booklet and a map that could be printed out the wikipedia.
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I would like to discuss this topic with anyone.
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:I own such a book (Chinese only, I'm afraid), but it's probably longer than is reasonably printable. 50 or so pages at A5, and the type is fairly small. It lists by stop and by bus route, but often there are several stops of the same name that are a little way (a couple of minutes walk) from each other, so it's not always obvious where the next bus leaves from.
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::There's a link to the BJ Bus website with its interactive map -- that's as good as we'll get for a while, I think. But any contributions; work on this would be helpful. --[[User:Juliansuddaby|Julian Suddaby]] 05:33, 14 July 2008 (EDT)
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== Places to drink ==
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Why does 'The Tree' get a special mention in the places to drink section?  It is a nice place, but should be included within the description of Sanlitun, I reckon. --[[User:Juliansuddaby|Julian Suddaby]] 02:11, 9 July 2007 (EDT)
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: That's actually the way it ''should'' be -- descriptions of areas to go in text, then bullet points of specific bars/nightclubs/... below them.  I'll jiggle the layout a bit. [[User:Jpatokal|Jpatokal]] 03:06, 9 July 2007 (EDT)
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:: Thanks, that looks great.--[[User:Juliansuddaby|Julian Suddaby]] 20:37, 16 July 2007 (EDT)
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Can anyone clarify the different between the "standard" and "pure" beer? --Stefan Wrobel, 13:18, 28 Sept 2007 (EDT)
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:I'll update the relevant section --[[User:Juliansuddaby|Julian Suddaby]] 06:13, 14 July 2008 (EDT)
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===Hills===
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There's a tall hill on the island in Beihai Park as well as in Jingshan Park, so should the second paragraph of the article be changed to reflect that fact?
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Michael 22:22, 12 Apr 2006 (UTC)
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:Yes definitely, please edit away. [[User:WindHorse|WindHorse]] 13 April 06
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== Source for place names in Chinese ==
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Extracted from article: ''You can find several places on the net with this information, a very good page is the [http://www.beijingtraveltips.com/index.html Beijing travel Tips] page.'' [[User:Jpatokal|Jpatokal]] 00:17, 12 May 2006 (EDT)
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== USA-centered ==
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The whole article and the comments are very USA centered. Not everybody gets homesick and wants Texan food. And anyway, someone who wants to eat steak in China is in the wrong place.
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: That doesn't mean we should delete the steak restaurants for those who do. [[User:Jpatokal|Jpatokal]] 06:40, 24 February 2007 (EST)
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:I'll fix it. [[User:Brutannica|Brutannica]] 23:26, 13 June 2007 (EDT)
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== Bicycling ==
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I will add the following info:
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*bicycle rental
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**location, fee, deposit
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*bicycle parking
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**0.2 yuan for supervised parking
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**locks used (not usually attached)
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**metro parking lots open 24/7
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**theft common
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== Coping - diet ==
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Is it necessary to advise people to bring diet supplements?  Eating too much meat may be a problem for tourists who order too much meat at restaurants -- wouldn't it be better to say they should make sure they order more vegetables and eat more fruit while they are in Beijing?  Wikipedia has a page on dietary fiber here: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dietary_fiber#Guidelines_on_fiber_intake]. --[[User:Juliansuddaby|Julian Suddaby]] 02:12, 9 July 2007 (EDT)
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:Maybe this could be a problem elsewhere in China, but not really in Beijing. [[User:Sachabrunel|Sachabrunel]] 11:22, 23 April 2008 (EDT)
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::I'll edit that bit. --[[User:Juliansuddaby|Julian Suddaby]] 06:13, 14 July 2008 (EDT)
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==Chinese characters==
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For anything transcribed to pinyin it would be very helpful to get the tones with it, e.g. (ni2 hao3, instead of ni hao)
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There are a number of chinese characters in this article that show up as squares or question marks in my browser.  These need to be changed to the correct HTML character codes, or excluded from the article.  I do not have the correct character sets loaded to show these characters correctly.  See [[Wikitravel:Foreign-language names]] for how foreign languages should be shown. -- [[User:Huttite|Huttite]] 18:47, 2 Oct 2004 (EDT)
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:There's only one maker of operating systems these days whose browser does not come with enough characters to read this page by default.  Hi [[Seattle]]!
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:And yeah, some of the uses of Chinese characters are just obnoxious on this page.  There is no good reason for writting "Yuan" in Chinese in a travel guide. -- [[User:Cjensen|Colin]] 20:55, 2 Oct 2004 (EDT)
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:: Thanks for the changes - it makes a lot more sense now.
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:: And I suppose I will have to download "simplified chinese" the next time it is offered to me on the next chinese spamsite I visit. At least at the moment I cannot even see the characters, so I know other users of that tiny piece of software from the [[Pacific Northwest (United States of America)]] cannot either. - [[User:Huttite|Huttite]] 22:04, 2 Oct 2004 (EDT)
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:The characters still don't appear correctly - they are traditional characters and usually disply too many of them, sometimes with a box and usually followed by a question mark. I've tried multiple browsers with no luck, but when I click edit to correct them the edit page shows the characters correctly.  The sites for Yunnan province and the city of Chengdu show correctly, while Shanghai and Xi'an have the same problems as Beijing. [[User:Athanor|Athanor]] 11:53, 19 Nov 2005 (EST)
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:: Viewed in China it appears correct. [[User:LiangHH|LiangHH]] 13:59, 05 Jan 2005 (GMT+8)
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