Maj: do you really think Tiburon is a "major city" in the Bay Area? San Francisco, Oakland, San Jose, Tiburon? It's listed under Marin County, by the way. -- Evan 15:47, 8 Nov 2003 (PST)
It's actually more of a tourist destination than a lot of Bay Area cities. It gets loads of tour buses and day trippers from SF, many of whom have never heard of Marin County. But if it bugs, nix it. Majnoona
Does Wikitravel:Article naming conventions answer this for you, or do you have something else in mind? For South Bay, there are more than one in California which is why it's disambiguated with Bay Area. I'm not sure East Bay needs to be disambiguated with anything more than California, but it's a nice symmetry. -- Colin 02:33, 8 Jul 2004 (EDT)
Seems like Bay Area/East Bay and Bay Area/South Bay are cleaner than the present. Plus they are like districts (see article naming conventions). Goodralph 02:44, 8 Jul 2004 (EDT)
Well, a couple things:
The East Bay is a sub-region, which has pretty clear guidelines in the current conventions.
For the most part, only the "East Bay" text should be shown to the user. The disambig part is normally hidden in links. For example: East Bay links to East Bay (Bay Area).
We want consistency though this guide, so we should follow the conventions.
So really, my only strong opinion here is that we should be consistent, and I'll leave others to decide what makes sense for the conventions to be. -- Colin 03:10, 8 Jul 2004 (EDT)
Goodralph: the East Bay isn't a district in a city; it's a sub-region of the Bay Area region. For articles in the geographical hierarchy, we use disambiguators for everything down to the city level, and sub-pages after that. The point is to make URLs and page names as short as possible while still maintaining uniqueness. It'd be miserable to write out [[North America/United States of America/California/Bay Area/East Bay]] each time you wanted a link to the East Bay. There's some info on this at Wikitravel:article naming conventions#Disambiguation. --Evan 10:09, 8 Jul 2004 (EDT)
Okay, I've done it now. South Bay is added. Technically, Silicon Valley should be removed since it duplicates cities already found in other regions. But can we keep it anyway? Traveller's might look for it and be troubled when they don't find it. -- Colin 03:56, 15 Jul 2004 (EDT)
Sorry to jump in, but would you mind moving this to Talk:Bay Area (California)? I think it would be of interest to others involved in the Bay Area stuff... it's a good question. I wrote part of the "Best of the Bay" article for the San Jose Metro a few years ago and I was assigned "Southern Santa Clara" which included Morgan Hill, San Martin, and Gilroy. Hollister is trickey too, I'd say it's part of the Coast, but it should probably be mentioned on the "Get out" section for whatever Morgan Hill/Gilroy ends up on... Majnoona 10:35, 22 Jul 2004 (EDT)
Okay, I've moved us here :-). Thanks for pointing out San Martin which I forgot. I could buy Hollister and San Juan Bautista as Central Coast, and everything from San Jose to Gilroy as SFBay. Anyone else have opinions? -- Colin 12:28, 22 Jul 2004 (EDT)
Don't know that part of CA well enough to have an opinion on individual cities, but if there is some ambiguity surely the best thing to do is to accept it and reflect it. In other words include a link to the ambiguous cities in both region's 'Cities' section (with a comment on the ambiguity), and in the header para of the city say something like:
There is no good reason I can see why wikitravel needs to have absolutely clear cut and precisely defined regional boundaries; we are to large extent describing peoples perceptions not trying to define congressional districts. Thats another good reason for not using sub-pages at this level, to add to the one Evan quotes above. -- Chris j wood 16:34, 22 Jul 2004 (EDT)