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:I ran this by a friend of mine from B'more, and we had a few minor quibbles with the descriptions, but not with the districts.  All the more reason to move ahead so I can edit it!  --[[User:Jonboy|Jonboy]] 11:13, 16 March 2009 (EDT)
 
:I ran this by a friend of mine from B'more, and we had a few minor quibbles with the descriptions, but not with the districts.  All the more reason to move ahead so I can edit it!  --[[User:Jonboy|Jonboy]] 11:13, 16 March 2009 (EDT)
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===Tweaks===
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*and include Greenmount West in East Baltimore.
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I feel very confident that these changes make sense, but if there is disagreement, I will revert this change and we can discuss to come to a new consensus.  --[[User:Peterfitzgerald|Peter]] <small><sup>[[User_talk:Peterfitzgerald|Talk]]</sup></small> 11:18, 23 February 2011 (EST)
  
 
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So I've just moved out all the information from the massive "Do" section to the relevant neighborhoods, and updated address/contact/hours/pricing as needed.
 
So I've just moved out all the information from the massive "Do" section to the relevant neighborhoods, and updated address/contact/hours/pricing as needed.
  
I have a big question about the LGBT section, as I'm none of those things but still want to remain sensitive to the LGBT travelers we have on the site, and in particular as it seems Baltimore is a very LGBT friendly city. First of all it seemed like a lot of those links that have to do with community centers and support groups don't have a huge relevance on a travel site (though correct me if I'm wrong) and looked more like a yellow-pages style of listing. I've moved the bars and performing arts venues into districts, as those are certainly valuable, and the Baltimore Pride city-wide event remains in the "Do" section, as that should attract a much wider audience than being buried in a strictly LGBT-only section. Everything else is moved to the "Cope" section because it seems to be more fitting than to be in a "Do" section. However, I'll let someone else have the last word on whether or not they belong or if they should be elsewhere, or even revert to the "do" section.  [[User:Psychofish|psychofish]] 19:48, 29 June 2009 (EDT)
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I have a big question about the LGBT section, as I'm none of those things but still want to remain sensitive to the LGBT travelers we have on the site, and in particular as it seems Baltimore is a very LGBT friendly city. First of all it seemed like a lot of those links that have to do with community centers and support groups don't have a huge relevance on a travel site (though correct me if I'm wrong) and looked more like a yellow-pages style of listing. I've moved the bars and performing arts venues into districts, as those are certainly valuable, and the Baltimore Pride city-wide event remains in the "Do" section, as that should attract a much wider audience than being buried in a strictly LGBT-only section. Everything else is moved to the "Cope" section because it seems to be more fitting than to be in a "Do" section. However, I'll let someone else have the last word on whether or not they belong or if they should be elsewhere, or even revert to the "do" section.
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Also, now that the section is just down to two entries, there should be a paragraph or two summarizing the events Baltimore has to offer. Again I must leave that to the hands of folks more knowledgeable than I am.  [[User:Psychofish|psychofish]] 19:48, 29 June 2009 (EDT)
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== 7-digit or 10-digit dialing ==
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I see that the Baltimore area [[Wikipedia:Area codes 410 and 443|has an overlay plan]]. Does anyone more familiar with Baltimore than I am know if 10-digit dialing is required to make a local phone call? If so, the formatting of phone numbers listed in the article might need to be changed (from "+1 410 XXX-XXXX" to "+1 410-XXX-XXXX"). [[User:Eco84|Eco84]] 19:05, 19 August 2009 (EDT)
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:I think this has been the case for the entire state of [[Maryland]] since 443 and 240 were introduced in 1997.  I'm always stunned when I go somewhere and I get an error when I dial the area code.  --[[User:Jonboy|Jonboy]] 20:45, 19 August 2009 (EDT)
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::It's a pretty long running practice to format ''all'' U.S. phone numbers as +1 XXX XXX-XXXX, so no change should be needed either way.  --[[User:Peterfitzgerald|Peter]] <small><sup>[[User_talk:Peterfitzgerald|Talk]]</sup></small> 23:01, 19 August 2009 (EDT)
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::: The [[Wikitravel:Phone numbers|current policy]] seems to make sense to me.  There seems no particularly consistent long running practice to write phone numbers any particular way, as there are more formats in the U.S. articles than you can poke a stick at.  It certainly makes no sense to have North American numbers exclusively deviate from at global policy for no apparent reason. --[[User:Inas|inas]] 23:39, 19 August 2009 (EDT)
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::::There absolutely is a long running practice to write U.S. phone numbers in the +1 XXX XXX-XXXX format&mdash;look at ''any'' U.S. star article. Citing the existence of poorly formatted, unmoderated articles is not a convincing argument.  --[[User:Peterfitzgerald|Peter]] <small><sup>[[User_talk:Peterfitzgerald|Talk]]</sup></small> 23:49, 19 August 2009 (EDT)
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==Neighborhoods==
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Well, this <big>big</big> map probably isn't too useful for our purposes here (more useful for Wikipedia), but I thought I'd share this detailed neighborhoods map here in case anyone finds a use for it:
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[[Image:Baltimore neighborhoods map.png|thumb|650px|center|Baltimore's neighborhoods, accurate to street level]]
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==Districts status==
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Baltimore is quite far from guide status at this point, but I'm planning to make this my next big project. To get focused, here is the current districts status:  --[[User:Peterfitzgerald|Peter]] <small><sup>[[User_talk:Peterfitzgerald|Talk]]</sup></small> 18:29, 23 July 2010 (EDT)
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{| border=1
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|-
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! District
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! Status
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! Map
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|-
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| [[Baltimore|Front Page]]
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| style="background:#fff38e;" | Usable
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| style="background:#bce7e7;" | ✔
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|-
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| [[Baltimore/Inner Harbor|Inner Harbor]]
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| style="background:#ccff66;" |Guide
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| style="background:#bce7e7;" | ✔
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|-
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| [[Baltimore/Fells Point|Fells Point]]
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| style="background:#a5ed57;" |Star
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| style="background:#bce7e7;" | ✔
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|-
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| [[Baltimore/Downtown|Downtown]]
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| style="background:#ccff66;" |Guide
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| style="background:#bce7e7;" | ✔
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|-
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| [[Baltimore/Midtown|Midtown]]
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| style="background:#ccff66;" |Guide
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| style="background:#bce7e7;" | ✔
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|-
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| [[Baltimore/South Baltimore|South Baltimore]]
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| style="background:#ccff66;" | Guide
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| style="background:#bce7e7;" | ✔
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|-
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| [[Baltimore/North Baltimore|North Baltimore]]
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| style="background:#f18181;" | Outline
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|-
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| [[Baltimore/Southeast Baltimore|Southeast Baltimore]]
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| style="background:#fff38e;" | Usable
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|-
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| [[Baltimore/West Baltimore|West Baltimore]]
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| style="background:#ccff66;" | Guide
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| style="background:#bce7e7;" | ✔
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|-
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| [[Baltimore/East Baltimore|East Baltimore]]
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| style="background:#ccff66;" | Guide
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| style="background:#bce7e7;" | ✔
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|}

Latest revision as of 00:52, 19 June 2012

District street boundaries

For editors looking to understand the exact street boundaries of Baltimore's districts (or even neighborhoods, please see Image:Baltimore districts map by street.png. You will need to download the (large) image at full size to read the street names. --Peter Talk 15:41, 19 March 2009 (EDT)


The public transit system in this city is terrible. I'm changing this article.

Go for it!Majnoona 18:47, 22 April 2006 (EDT)

I agree. I have been to numerous cities and they all have better public transportation and I live in Baltimore. I have never ridden the light rail or the subway. The subway goes nowhere near any tourist destinations and the only destination the light rail passes is the baseball stadium.

Contents

Understand section[edit]

The Understand section says, "Some of Baltimore's neighborhoods are Canton, Federal Hill, Fell's Point, Little Italy, and Mount Vernon." What makes these neighbourhoods so special? Kingjeff 21:47, 6 July 2006 (EDT)

If you're asking, "Why were those neighborhoods chosen for the Understand section", I can't say. That's not really the format we like for describing neighborhoods, especially if they're worth writing a district article about. If you think there are some other neighborhoods that the average traveller to Baltimore should know, or if you'd like to expand this article in any way, please plunge forward. --Evan 21:59, 6 July 2006 (EDT)

I think the question that should be answered in that section is what make them special. If that answer is added, then it might not be a bad section. But just listing neighborhoods isn't really a productive Understand section. Kingjeff 22:05, 6 July 2006 (EDT)

No, it's definitely not a star Understand section. Much better would be some history, an overview of the city, what makes Baltimore special, and about 10 jillion other things. It's definitely in need of improvement! --Evan 23:29, 6 July 2006 (EDT)

SoulOfAmerica links removed[edit]

I've removed the external links to soulofamerica.com from this page. We'd love to have more information about African-American heritage, sites, food and events in this article, but we have strict rules about external links. --Evan 15:56, 26 November 2006 (EST)

Baltimore Tourist Board[edit]

I see that the tourist board has been editing this web site to make it seem like Baltimore is a safe place for tourists. I have seen too many cases where people in the downtown area were robbed at gun point. Some were hurt. Also, the police are horrible and have arrested tourists for asking directions. They were taken to Central Booking and subjected to body cavity searches and other forms of inhumane treatment. That is a fact! I think any one has got to be a god dammed fool to visit Mob Town.

Those are some serious allegations, can you back them up with information or news articles? -- Sapphire(Talk) • 16:18, 23 April 2007 (EDT)
Speaking as a native Marylander, muggings do happen in the nice areas of Baltimore, but almost always late at night, as in other cities. I've certainly never heard of police arresting tourists for asking directions! ;) --Peterfitzgerald Talk 17:31, 23 April 2007 (EDT)

I most certainly can back those claims up. The mere fact that you have to ask shows you know nothing about Baltimore and aren't fit to edit this page. see - Chantilly couple to file complaint against police after arrest, robbery http://www.examiner.com/a-109257~Chantilly_couple_to_file_complaint_against_police_after_arrest__robbery.html - Mob Town Lawyer. Those are allegations that are not proven at all by your source. I could claim that something like that happened to me in Detroit, even though I have never stepped foot in that city.

Everyone is fit to edit any page. Second, an individual claim does not constitute evidence of a general trend. Got statistics? -- Colin 14:40, 24 April 2007 (EDT)

Copyvio?[edit]

The description of the Radisson appears identical to here. (The misspelling of Hippodrome tipped me off.) Any reason to believe this isn't a copyvio on the part of an earlier editor? --Jonboy 07:16, 10 May 2007 (EDT)

Thus deleted. Someone should probably check other hotel descriptions. --Jonboy 10:25, 6 February 2008 (EST)

Undone edit[edit]

This did some worthwhile cleaning and adding, but also nuked great big slabs of the article, so I've reverted. Somebody who knows their Baltimore might want to through and cherry-pick the usable bits. Jpatokal 12:17, 14 April 2008 (EDT)

Districts[edit]

Baltimore districts map.png
Inner Harbor
If you are a tourist, you come here. All of Baltimore's excellent museums are here, as are most of its hotels and the magnificent National Aquarium. The harbor views are nice too. But watch out for the tourist trap bars and restaurants!
Fells Point (Little Italy, Corned Beef Row)
Fells Point could not be more complementary to the Inner Harbor—historic, with great pubs, nightlife, and restaurants, especially in tiny but very authentic Little Italy.
Downtown (UMBC, Lexington Market)
An incongruous mix of Baltimore's central business district, UMBC, the overawing Lexington Market, the infamously seedy "Strip," and a host of jewelry shops specializing in grillz.
Midtown (Mount Vernon, Station North Arts, Charles St, Bolton Hill)
One of the nicest sections of the city, home to the performing arts district, Penn Station, and a host of other attractions (architecture, the original Washington Monument, dining and wining on Charles St, etc.) that most visitors foolishly pass over.
South Baltimore (Federal Hill, Locust Point, Pigtown, Fort McHenry)
Industrial blue-collar South Baltimore is dying, and is quickly being replaced with upscale gentrified neighborhoods like Federal Hill. That's not so bad from a traveler's perspective—some of the city's best restaurants and bars have sprung forth in the booming areas.
North Baltimore (Charles North, Hampden, Johns Hopkins, Mount Washington)
Most visitors to the area know only Johns Hopkins University and the always interesting commercial strip along Charles St nearby. But it is unfortunate that they overlook the quirkiest of quirky neighborhoods, Hampden.
Southeast Baltimore (Canton, Patterson Park, Highlandtown, Greektown)
A heavily industrialized section of the city, home to several very enjoyable Polish, Irish, and Greek ethnic enclaves, and other surprises.
West Baltimore (Druid Hill Park, Gwynns Falls/Leakin Park, Pimlico)
Infamous West Baltimore. If you have watched the Wire, this was where the crime was taking place! But don't be fooled. There are some major tourist draws here, like the Maryland Zoo in Druid Hill Park, Pimlico Racecourse, and Edgar Allen Poe's House. And the endless old Baltimore rowhouses, no matter how rundown, remain beautiful throughout.
East Baltimore (Johns Hopkins Hospital, Clifton Park Golf Course, Herring Run Park)
Baltimore's great rivalry between east and west is certainly an example of the narcissism of small differences. Attractions in the east are very few and far between, but things are changing fast as booming Johns Hopkins Medical Campus expands and demolishes in its wake.

I think these districts all make a lot of sense travel-wise, and should all be able to support well-developed articles. With one exception, and that's East Baltimore. I'm not too sure what to do with that enormous swathe of city. It's clearly culturally distinct from its neighbors, and it would seem weird to not have an East Baltimore district, since the name and region are commonplace, but there's just nothing to do there (AFAIK—I guess I haven't ever ventured out into the far northeast). I suppose it could be merged with the Southeast under the name East Baltimore, but the Southeast is a very different sort of place. East Baltimore has a lot in common with West Baltimore (except in that it lacks anything of travel interest), but is on the other side of the city. Maybe we should just charge ahead with it and resign ourselves to one weak article in the districts scheme. Thoughts? --Peter Talk 05:26, 16 March 2009 (EDT)

I ran this by a friend of mine from B'more, and we had a few minor quibbles with the descriptions, but not with the districts. All the more reason to move ahead so I can edit it! --Jonboy 11:13, 16 March 2009 (EDT)

Tweaks[edit]

I tweaked the boundaries a little bit to:

  • include Power Plant Live in the Inner Harbor;
  • include Charles North in Midtown;
  • and include Greenmount West in East Baltimore.

I feel very confident that these changes make sense, but if there is disagreement, I will revert this change and we can discuss to come to a new consensus. --Peter Talk 11:18, 23 February 2011 (EST)

Neighborhoods[edit]

Reference information on neighborhoods-- it's helped me quite a bit and hopefully this is helpful to others as well. psychofish 12:28, 29 June 2009 (EDT)

"Do" section districtified[edit]

So I've just moved out all the information from the massive "Do" section to the relevant neighborhoods, and updated address/contact/hours/pricing as needed.

I have a big question about the LGBT section, as I'm none of those things but still want to remain sensitive to the LGBT travelers we have on the site, and in particular as it seems Baltimore is a very LGBT friendly city. First of all it seemed like a lot of those links that have to do with community centers and support groups don't have a huge relevance on a travel site (though correct me if I'm wrong) and looked more like a yellow-pages style of listing. I've moved the bars and performing arts venues into districts, as those are certainly valuable, and the Baltimore Pride city-wide event remains in the "Do" section, as that should attract a much wider audience than being buried in a strictly LGBT-only section. Everything else is moved to the "Cope" section because it seems to be more fitting than to be in a "Do" section. However, I'll let someone else have the last word on whether or not they belong or if they should be elsewhere, or even revert to the "do" section.

Also, now that the section is just down to two entries, there should be a paragraph or two summarizing the events Baltimore has to offer. Again I must leave that to the hands of folks more knowledgeable than I am. psychofish 19:48, 29 June 2009 (EDT)

7-digit or 10-digit dialing[edit]

I see that the Baltimore area has an overlay plan. Does anyone more familiar with Baltimore than I am know if 10-digit dialing is required to make a local phone call? If so, the formatting of phone numbers listed in the article might need to be changed (from "+1 410 XXX-XXXX" to "+1 410-XXX-XXXX"). Eco84 19:05, 19 August 2009 (EDT)

I think this has been the case for the entire state of Maryland since 443 and 240 were introduced in 1997. I'm always stunned when I go somewhere and I get an error when I dial the area code. --Jonboy 20:45, 19 August 2009 (EDT)
It's a pretty long running practice to format all U.S. phone numbers as +1 XXX XXX-XXXX, so no change should be needed either way. --Peter Talk 23:01, 19 August 2009 (EDT)
The current policy seems to make sense to me. There seems no particularly consistent long running practice to write phone numbers any particular way, as there are more formats in the U.S. articles than you can poke a stick at. It certainly makes no sense to have North American numbers exclusively deviate from at global policy for no apparent reason. --inas 23:39, 19 August 2009 (EDT)
There absolutely is a long running practice to write U.S. phone numbers in the +1 XXX XXX-XXXX format—look at any U.S. star article. Citing the existence of poorly formatted, unmoderated articles is not a convincing argument. --Peter Talk 23:49, 19 August 2009 (EDT)

Neighborhoods[edit]

Well, this big map probably isn't too useful for our purposes here (more useful for Wikipedia), but I thought I'd share this detailed neighborhoods map here in case anyone finds a use for it:

Baltimore's neighborhoods, accurate to street level

Districts status[edit]

Baltimore is quite far from guide status at this point, but I'm planning to make this my next big project. To get focused, here is the current districts status: --Peter Talk 18:29, 23 July 2010 (EDT)


District Status Map
Front Page Usable
Inner Harbor Guide
Fells Point Star
Downtown Guide
Midtown Guide
South Baltimore Guide
North Baltimore Outline
Southeast Baltimore Usable
West Baltimore Guide
East Baltimore Guide

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