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I guess it's obvious by context, but isn't there a whole COUNTRY called Georgia nowadays? Shouldn't this page just be under 'Atlanta'? (I haven't quite come to grips with how the naming terminology really works but I'd GUESS that the capital of the state of Georgia is the biggest Atlanta around and gets the unadorned title.)

I totally agree. I'm worried that the article naming conventions aren't really that accessible; I'm going to try to restructure some things so that people recognize them better. -- Evan 12:31, 4 Sep 2003 (PDT)

Appied Template

I've applied the 'large city' template to this article. I know Atlanta is a pretty large place, with many restaurants, etc, but in truth it is not a very interesting place for the traveller, with not much in the way of things to see or do. On that basis I decided not to use the huge city template, with all the district heirarchy baggage that brings. One consequence of this is that I have effectively orphaned the one rather vestigial district already present. I've moved the content to the main page, but here is a link in case somebody with a huge amount of info on Atlanta joins Wikitravel and we want to move to the huge city model. Atlanta/Little Five Points -- TheForester 12:32, 6 Aug 2004 (EDT)

I'd like to say: excellent work! Thanks for pitching in on this page!. I'm going to nominate L5P for deletion. If we don't have much to fill the pages with, we should keep this a large city. --Evan 14:44, 6 Aug 2004 (EDT)
I noticed that both this page and Little Five Points had [[Atlanta/Little Five Points]] on them and this was causing the page to show up as a wanted article as the original was deleted. I changed Little Five Points to redirect to Atlanta and this page to point to Little Five Points. If anyone wants to resurrect the subpage they now have to copy the wikitext above first, not just follow the link. This will save creating non-articles. -- Huttite 03:38, 4 Jan 2005 (EST)

Should we really describe things as "ghetto"?

Well, yes, we should. The previous description indicated that the shopping mall is posh at one end and grungy at the other. Assuming this is true, travellers would find this more useful than merely known that it's "upscale". Jpatokal 23:07, 28 Jul 2005 (EDT)

But is "ghetto" the right word? Wouldn't grungy be better. I've been in this mall. There is a bit of a change of scenery from one end to the other, but I really pick up more on the racist inference of the term, rather than describing it as less posh. I just feel like there is a better word. -- Ilkirk 23:21, 28 Jul 2005 (EDT)


Another note, someone described lenox as upscale on one side, and less so near the food court. that is just not true. there are many upscale shops over on the other side of the food court near the marriot. Actually that is the quietest and nicest side. Is it really important anyway?

What is considered suburban?

Personally, i think considering the zoo as in the suburbs as absurd. I think anything within the city of atlanta should not be considered the suburbs. Maybe we should use the word "intown" for areas that are not necessarily urban but are still within the city. That is what most Atlantas call areas like grant park and virginia highlands.


The end of Music Midtown?

Peter Conlon cancelled Music Midtown for this year. The appropriate link is here: http://www.centredaily.com/mld/centredaily/news/nation/13569751.htm

I removed "Music Midtown" from the list of events. There is a chance Midtown might be held in the future, somewhere else in Atlanta, but it won't be held in 2006.

Recommendations & classifications

I'm certain that we can go round & round regarding which restaurants & bars to include, and I know that there isn't really a single "good" recommendation for visitors. That said, I'd like to take issue with: -Zyka classified as in the "East Suburbs." Zyka is in Decatur, and Decatur is not in the "suburbs." I don't mean to bring in the stupid ITP/OTP arguement, but Zyka lands very clearly within what people consider to be "in-town." That said, there are much better Indian restaurants to name (Udipi springs to mind,a nd it's even in the same area). -Hard Rock Cafe should be removed from the downtown list... because it's a chain restraurant that anyone can visit in any city. Should we be showcasing local resturants in order to truly reflect the character of the city? Or are we including this one as a fail-safe place that everyone knows? -Are the restaurant lists worht expanding? I've got a few good ones that come to mind.

206.61.144.2 10:17, 7 August 2006 (EDT)

Edits

I did a complete overhaul of the page the past two weekends to add/reclassify a lot of the restaurants, bars, shopping and sights. Please add on!

Stay safe

Having lived in Atlanta for almost three years-in the city itself I find it weird that there is no "Stay Safe" section. Atlanta was quite violent with shootings occurring on a regular basis. This is mostly in the southern and western parts of the city such as College Park, East Point and Bankhead. Downtown is filled with aggressive beggars and scam artistes.

Districts?

Is that long list of districts the best way to divide up the city? I don't know it, but it looks like a lot – cacahuate talk 19:02, 7 May 2008 (EDT)

Definitely too many for a city that size, but I'm not familiar enough with the city to make a reasonable district breakdown.Texugo 19:06, 7 May 2008 (EDT)

OK, I've moved the list out of the article for now, so that they don't continue to get created... we should group these into maybe 5 or 7 total districts for Atlanta... User:Joggingman08, you seem to know Atlanta pretty well, can you help us to group these into a handful of districts? We don't necessarily go by the traditional areas of a city, unless the city is large enough to really require an article for each neighborhood. Are there certain ones of these that we can group together to make a bit larger of a "district" that makes sense for a traveler? – cacahuate talk 21:23, 7 May 2008 (EDT)

Yes, especially Downtown, Midtown, and Buckhead should have their own districts. I'm classifying the other districts as their location/direction in relation to the city. -Joggingman08

Are you sure that's what you're doing? It looks to me like the list of places with their own articles is growing and growing since this discussion was started. I mean, the number is up to 14 districts, not counting the gigantic list of suburbs, and not including a lot of the other districts listed on the page. Since the following eight areas are pretty well defined on the article page already, why not go with these as top-level subdivisions? We can subdivide under this level, if absolutely necessary, on the respective district pages:
  • Downtown
  • Midtown
  • North Atlanta/Buckhead
  • Northeast Atlanta
  • East Atlanta
  • Southeast Atlanta
  • South Atlanta
  • West Atlanta

I think the long list of suburbs needs to be seriously cut down too. Obviously some need to stay, like Decatur, but surely not all of those communities have enough attractions and accommodations to stand alone. Texugo 01:35, 8 May 2008 (EDT)

Sleep listings in the Atlanta overview?

Although there is an info box mentioning that all individual listings should be placed in the appropriate district articles, there are still some odd hotel listings in the Splurge sections, and even some advertisements. Is it ok to put the real listings in the appropriate district sections and delete the ad listings? --MarinaK 16:35, 23 March 2009 (EDT)MarinaK.

Yes! LtPowers 16:53, 23 March 2009 (EDT)

District Organization...Finally

Some proposed changes to better organize the district:

  • Downtown -
    • Remove Fairlie-Poplar. It is only 3 square blocks, and can easily be included in the adjacent Five Points district.
    • Rename Historic King District to Sweet Auburn. King district refers only to the MLK Jr. sites, Sweet Auburn will be more inclusive and less dull sounding.
  • Midtown - Remove SoNo. This is a rather nebulous section, which depends on how you define the Midtown/Downtown boundary. If we say that Downtown's north border is North Avenue, then we obviate the need for SoNo.
  • South - Remove Southeast Atl. By reorganizing the district this region is redundant.

Still a work in progress, will migrate info from larger district regions to specific districts, and then eliminate links to the district regions themselves. Any input, objections? --Jtesla16 01:05, 19 July 2009 (EDT)

District Definitions

Atlanta District Regions

This map is not article quality, but I think it can help organize listings behind the scenes, and be a basis for someone ambitious and willing to make a real map. The outlining blue road is 285, the "perimeter."

  • 1. Downtown
  • 2. Midtown
  • 3. Buckhead
  • 4. East Atlanta
  • 5. South Atlanta
  • 6. West Atlanta

Definitions - District are probably most easily defined by street boundaries. North boundary denoted as N:Street Name; East boundary = E:Street Name; etc.

Downtown Districs
  • 1. Downtown (Discussion)
    • N: North Avenue
    • E: Blvd & Hill St.
    • S: 20
    • W: Northside Drive
  • 2. Midtown
    • N: 75 & 85
    • E: Piedmont Ave NE & Monroe Dr NE & Park Dr NE & Ponce De Leon Pl NE
    • S: North Ave
    • W: Howell Mill Rd & Northside Dr
  • 3. Buckhead
    • N: Atlanta city limits, [1]
    • E: Fulton County Boundary
    • S: 85
    • W: 75
  • 4. East Atlanta
    • N: 85
    • E: Atlanta city limits, [2]
    • S: 20 & Blvd
    • W: Downtown and Midtown
  • 5. South Atlanta
    • N: 20 & Hill & Blvd
    • E: Atlanta city limits, [3]
    • S: 285
    • W: 85 & Sylvan & 285 & Lee St
  • 6. West Atlanta
    • N: Intersection of Chattahoochee River and 75
    • E: 75 (Western boundaries of Buckhead, Midtown, Downtown & South Atl)
    • S: Atlanta city limits, [4]
    • W: Atlanta city limits, [5]

Feel free to debate the boundaries if you like, but lets try to use what we decide on as a reference to end the Atlanta confusion. --Jtesla16 01:54, 19 July 2009 (EDT)

Great to see this getting sorted out. I can't really help with defining individual districts, since I don't know the first thing about the city. But the one thing I noticed is that the city boundaries on your map don't appear to align with the official city limits, which I understand to be like this [6]. --Peter Talk 18:48, 19 July 2009 (EDT)
There's a few areas I think are problematic if we use the official boundaries. Without getting into the specifics, mostly to do with areas where neighborhoods have outgrown the boundary, and in areas where the Decatur article has already covered it. So how important is it that the article's scope match the official boundaries? Seems like it might make sense to included a slightly larger area in some cases, and cut back in others. Do you think that's a problem? --Jtesla16 20:57, 19 July 2009 (EDT)
The main reason for using the official boundaries is just to ensure we have full coverage, and don't run into overlap. If you think we can avoid both gaps & overlaps, and keep things clear in this fashion, then I have no objections. --Peter Talk 22:03, 19 July 2009 (EDT)

Two-tiered hierarchy

Right now we have districts & subdistricts for Atlanta. I think subdistricts are almost never a good idea, since they bury content, and would prefer to see the hierarchy flattened into one level. The districts are already grouped nicely in the main article by city area—I just want to see the links to middlemen like Atlanta/Downtown, Atlanta/East, etc. go away. I think they unnecessarily spread out our content across too many articles, when all the information that would go in them could just as easily be put in either the main Atlanta article or the individual districts themselves. --Peter Talk 18:59, 19 July 2009 (EDT)

Agreed, that's the plan, and the next step, after I build some consensus for the organization. --Jtesla16 19:26, 19 July 2009 (EDT)

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