Some hotel recommendations sound overly positive and are not very informative. Sometimes you wonder if it's not plain publicity. Can those familiar with the places edit the paragraphs, add more information and give more "objective" ratings?
hotels and restaurant by quarter
I think that the hotels and restaurants should go in their quarter page, except the ones that haven't got it.
If not, people won't find them (there are restaurants in Old town, Barceloneta, Gracia and Barcelona's main page....
I'll move them in some days, if nobody has another opinion.
I think that sounds great. It might be worth looking at the huge city article template for some ideas about how to split up info between the city page and the district pages. For example, it might be worth pointing out some good districts to eat in, or some notable restaurants, in Barcelona#Eat, but leave the full restaurant listing for the district pages.
Thanks for continuing to do a great job on this city! --Evan 15:45, 29 Jun 2004 (EDT)
Bus route website
I tried the mobilitat.net URL and got redirected to a page on la Generalitat saying "URL inexistent". Anyone know where it went? -phma 23:55, 14 Jul 2005 (EDT)
A great deal of info on Barcelona´s public transport, including busses, can be found at www.tmb.es (Transports Metropolitans de Barcelona)
Hi all. I was with my parents in Barcelona and we were driving around looking for a hotel and stopped at some traffic lights, when suddenly two thieves came up to the door - one was the distraction and opened the doors on the right side of the car (didn't steal anything) and the other quietly open the door on the left side and stole my bag: I lost my camera and mobile. It could have been worse but we were really shaken after that and left the city immediately (reported it to the police after that).
Lesson learnt: always lock the car doors, even when you're inside the car Aidan 07:23, 10 Oct 2005 (EDT)
Be a bit careful while riding around the centre, especially aqround Via Laietana. Avoid small, dark and alone streets in the centre at night. Barcelona is not a dangerous city at all, but, as with all the big touristic spots, you need to be a bit aware.
Someone has just listed McDonald's as a viable choice for lunch in Barcelona. That's great! I bet everyone goes to Catalunya eager to taste the unique flavour of the Spanish Quarter Pound. Mind you: KFC's and even Hard Rock Cafe have made their way into Barcelona too. You'll never feel hungry again!
So I was trying to edit out the first person ad-like text in the apartment rental sections and I decided that I'm not sure if any of this content is appropriate for us. They seem like secondary sources and I dont have a good/quick way to tell which are legit. Comments/ Suggestions? Majnoona 13:44, 28 Dec 2005 (EST)
Below are a few agencies to book online with good selections:
Freestanza Barcelona Apartments Cheap and stylish apartments for rent in Barcelona's Gothic quarter and the beach. Portfollio of carefully selected vacation rentals perfect to enjoy a chilled-out stay right by the Mediterranean. Friendly service and Booking Online.
Way2stay Barcelona Apartments Way2stay present you a wide range of apartments in some of Barcelona’s finest central locations. Each Barcelona apartment is fully equipped with all modern conveniences to enjoy a quality time in an attractive apartment.
Barcelona Apartments Destination BCN offers nicely designed, well priced quality apartments to rent by days or weeks in the centre of Barcelona.
Barcelona Suite Photos, detailed descriptions and online booking for apartments near the beach, city center and countryside. They provide information and customer support on demand throughout your entire stay.
Habitat Apartments Quality holiday apartments in central Barcelona. All apartments are recently and tastefully decorated, and are located within a short distance of La Rambla, Plaça de Catalunya and the Gothic Quarter.
BarcelonaPoint.com How wonderful it is to experience Barcelona! Enjoy a true Barcelona living experience by renting a holiday apartment. Many apartments to choose from with categories like economical, luxuray, family and backpacker.
RentTheSun.com Over 100 beautiful self catering apartments in Barcelona located within walking distance to La Rambla. Last minute offers also available.
Cocoon Barcelona.com Here is the perfect apartment to put your luggage down: full comfort in the heart of Barcelona (from 25 Eur/pers/night). With each flat, a mini-guide of the neighbourhood, great tips and addresses… For an unforgettable stay!
rental apartments Barcelona Book online your apartments in Barcelona, next to the Ramblas and the principal centers of interest of the city.
Luxury apartments for rent in quality neigbourhood of Barcelona.
Excellent for Businessmen or family travles.
Contact us for costumized service.
Dear [User:Maj|Majnoona] I think that list of directory could be interesting for visitors!!!
If you read Wikitravel:External links it says to only use primary sources. I think the problem that Majnoona has here is she cannot tell the businesses that are actually renting the appartments from those that are just advertising the appartments and seeking an (extra?) commission as a finders fee for any traveler that blunders into them. What is just as interesting is trying to use a google search to find a holiday apartment/accommodation somewhere and having to wade through all the trash the advertisers put out. As a result the truly legitimate businesses that actually personally rent accommodation get buried because they cannot be identified. -- Huttite 15:52, 29 Dec 2005 (EST)
Apartment listings are a hard one-- there's been some talk on the irc channel, but no real solutions as to how to put together a policy that distinguishes between what we want and what we dont (it's one of those 'I know it when I see it' deals). So we're leaning on the side of not allowing any apartment listins, just noting for travelers that this option exists/is popular. We're not looking to replace google search or yahoo directory... Majnoona 10:26, 16 Feb 2006 (EST)
I went ahead and blew away the apartment listings. The problem I see with them is that it's a magnet for people who are more interested in getting that commission, and not in improving Wikitravel. Jonboy 12:25, 21 Feb 2006 (EST)
I have deleted some sources that are just advertising apartmetns and seeking an extra commission
Does anyone know of any page that is NOT dedicated at all those tourist crowds? Sort of a website for 'locals' in Barcelona. I only know of A Brighter Place, which is website for students in Barcelona with interesting news articles and insider tips on where to eat and drink cheap in Barcelona, away from the tourist crowds and with the locals. Any other site?
I like xbarcelona... but the barcelona metropolitan? written by guiris, for guiris.. they do lunch at mcdonalds, coffee at starbucks and dinner in shoko... followed by some dancing in baja beach! whoever put that link must be joking...
I have added a few provisional new topics including travel to and from Barcelona. I was looking for information regarding how to get from the airport to the city. Also information about hospitals and health care.Please feel free to fill the information.Sulfis 07:35, 13 August 2006 (EDT)
Oh, please "Barcelona has some of the best restaurants and cafes in Europe" is clearly false to anyone who has been there. It's actually quite difficult to find good food in Barcelona. It is well worth the effort to look as I have had one amazing meal in Barcelona, but you could just as well enjoy eating poor quality sandwitches & drinking a lot of Cava which costs almost nothing at cute & sociable Cava bars.
Please feel free to make changes to the guide so that it is more accurate.
I've temporarily protected this page, mostly in the hope of getting an editor's attention. Wikitravel:Accommodation listings details the criteria for listing an apartment rental agency in a Wikitravel article, and explains why edits have been (repeatedly) reverted. Another sysop should un-protect this page as soon as it is reasonable to do so. -- Ryan(talk) 03:35, 27 March 2007 (EDT)
I was in Barcelona a few days ago and I thought it would be useful if this page gave information on useful Spanish and Catalan phrases. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 188.8.131.52 (talk • contribs)
Barcelona article is divided into districts. Can someone define borders for the districts used? We need to have a consensus on district borders to be sure everyone uses the same district name for the same area of the city. When we have a consensus, I'd propose to include district borders definition into Barcelona#Districts, as Wikitravel:Geographical hierarchy#Districts in cities suggests. --DenisYurkin 17:12, 23 August 2007 (EDT)
The following set of districts was recently added to the article. I reverted the edit--let's discuss it here first:
Barcelona is divided into 10 districts, but the most important and interesting for visitors are:
After defining borders for them we can proceed to adding articles on the rest of the districts. --DenisYurkin 18:07, 27 September 2007 (EDT)
i just inserted sants by mistake... not sants-montjuic.. but i think it's better to keep a seperate page for mountjuic anyway, which is more "do" then barrio.. i guess it's pretty easy to seperate ciutat vella (everything in the gothic centre..) from eixample (south of diagonal) and gracia (north of it..). i don't know whether it makes sense to add non-touristic barris like horta etc.
Thanks for your ideas on Ciutat Vella, Eixample and Gracia. But what exactly is "Gothic Centre" then--what borders does it have? Maybe, by which streets is it bordered?
And do you have ideas on Barceloneta--where are borders between it and other district(s)?
As for Sants and Montjuic: we still don't have borders for them, your suggestions? ;-)
Until we reach some consensus on district list and borders, please don't add new districts to the article (and I reverted Sants for a while). It's always easy to create a bunch of new articles, but it's really hard work to rework existing articles if we change our mind on list of districts or borders between them. So let's reach a consensus first.
Hi there, here's some clarification about the districts (please someone correct the english):
1- Ciutat Vella: The historic district, circled by walls until 1859, and today circled by -looking at the map from left to right-: Avda Paral·lel, Ronda de sant Pau, Ronda de sant Antoni, Plaça Universitat, Carrer Pelai, Plaça Catalunya, Ronda de Sant Pere, Plaça Urquinaona, Carrer de Trafalgar, Passeig Lluis Companys, the Ciutadella Park, and the sea on the South.
It's divided into 4 parts: from La Rambla to the west it's called the Raval: the working class part of the old city. In the center, from La Rambla to the east until Via Layetana, we found the Gothic Quarter: It's the oldest part, with the goverment and the city hall main buildings, and lots of palaces and gorgeus noble houses. To the east of Via Layetana, we have La Rivera quarter, it was the medieval expansion of the city and it's mainly a popular neighbourhood with some of the finest churches (Santa Maria del Mar, Sant Pere) and the modernist esplosion of El Palau de la Musica Catalana. To the south we can find La Barceloneta, it's the newest part of the old district. Was mainly a fishmen neighbourhood, created in the XVII century to relocate the people that had to leave La Rivera when the construction of the Ciutadella Park.
2- Eixample: The modern Barcelona was born here. District planned by the urbanist Ildefons Cerdà. During the burstling XIX century, the walls of the city were tore down. As a result of the economic prosperity and following Cerda's design, the Eixample assembles a huge amount of modernist and deco buildings unrivalled anywhere else in Europe (some of the best known: La Sagrada Familia, La Pedrera (Casa Mila), Casa Batlló, Casa Lleó Morera).
The district is north of Ciutat vella, limited (from left to right in the map) by: Avda Paral·lel, Carrer de Tarragona, Avda Josep Tarradellas, Avda Diagonal, Carrer de Corsega, Carrer de Dos de Maig, Avda Meridiana and the borders of Ciutat Vella again on the south.
3- Gracia: Independent village until 1897, narrow streets and tiny squares, before farmers and artisans, now a very young, left wing, full of artists and political activists. Always a couple of political meetings, an exhipbition, a concert and a street market going on at the same time. You can also find, in the north the famous Park Güell.
Gracia is limited on the south by Avda Diagonal, and carrer de Corsega. In the east by Carrer Gran de Gracia, Carrer Republica Argentina and Avda de l'Hospital Militar and on the west by Carrer Sardenya.
Hope this is helpful, I'll be adding the rest of the neighbourhoods if you think it's helpful. Regards. --Oriolbcn
Am I right that it can be both from Montjuic and Barceloneta, as well as from the mid-point in the downtown? If so, it would look more natural to have detailed info in the Barcelona article, while only providing brief mentions on it in the respective district articles. --DenisYurkin 17:11, 11 September 2007 (EDT)
Barcelona's cuisine is hit-or-miss
Barcelona's cuisine is hit-or-miss
What exactly is meant by this? Can we say the same with simpler words without changing the meaning? --DenisYurkin 17:27, 11 September 2007 (EDT)
This guide uses the following price ranges for a typical meal for one, including soft drink:
What should we call a typical meal for Barcelona? Is it menu del dia, or a main course (in the same place, price for simplest pasta can be different from a large steak fivefold), or something else? I would vote for menu del dia when a cafe/restaurant has it, and when it haven't, choose some reference plate like paella which can be found in most places. Comments, please? --DenisYurkin 17:38, 11 September 2007 (EDT)
districtifying Sleep section
Recently I talked to Oriolbcn and he contributed the following contribution on how to districtify the Sleep section. Oriolbcn has also performed most of the work on moving listings into their districts; today I finished with that.
Please share your comments if there's anything wrong or could be improved. --DenisYurkin 13:31, 19 September 2007 (EDT)
Hi Denis, as it's suggested in the "contribute" part of the wikitravel rules for business owners, i'm giving you (as oposite to change it myself) the list of all hotels, hostels, etc. listed on the main article that should be placed in the different districts:
BTW, what exactly made you think that you can't contribute yourself? Was it this piece?
One thing we ask you never to do is to remove information about your competitors.
But it's only about removal of other listings. Anyway, if it causes confusion and allows misreading, please help us to improve the WelcomeBizOwners page that I referred you to. --DenisYurkin 16:10, 20 September 2007 (EDT)
Abba Sans Hotel: Eixample
Best Western Premier Hotel Regina: Eixample
Grand Hotel Central: Ciutat Vella
Granados 83: Eixample
HCC Covadonga: Eixample (in this case it's Sarria St Gervasi, for 10 metres but as this district is not listed...)
Hotel Barcelona Catedral: Ciutat Vella
Hotel Contado: Eixample (Same as Covadonga: it's Sarria St. Gervasi, for 50 metres...)
Hotel Cuatro Naciones: Ciutat Vella
Hotel Lloret: Ciutat Vella
Hotel Gran Via: Eixample
Hotel Lleó: Ciutat Vella
Hotel Omm: Eixample
Hotel Silken Concordia: Eixample (Same as a couple before, this is Poble Sec distric, but just for 10 meters)
The Royal Ramblas: Ciutat Vella
All of them except the following cannot be located as they are agencies offering apartments in different locations
Apartments Tasmania: Ciutat Vella
Aparthotel Silver: Gracia
HOSTAL & PENSION:
Pensión Norma: Gracia
Pension Alamar: Ciutat Vella
Hostal Levante: Ciutat Vella
Athome Barcelona Apartments: THIS IS AN APARTMENT AGENCY
Nice Barcelona Bed and Breakfast: THIS IS AN AGENCY ALSO
Las Ramblas Bed & Breakfast: Ciutat Vella
Hostal Barcelona City Centre: Eixample
Pension Barcelona City Ramblas: Ciutat Vella
Guesthouse Barcelona City Urquinaona: Eixample
Barcelona City North: Sarria St Gervasi (sorry this is too much inside this district to call it otherwise... maybe gracia)
Bohemia Barcelona: Eixample (this shouldn't be called a hostel though, as it has a "Pension" license)
If it does affect traveller in any way, we should mention it. But how it does, in fact? --DenisYurkin 13:46, 19 September 2007 (EDT)
Well this is tricky, it affects the definition of a hostel and a pension, and in some cases the border between them can be quite blurry... I guess it depends on the spirit of the place, more like a hotel: nobody talks and meets nobody, or it's a more comunal place where travellers share their experiences, etc. In the end is how they want to define themselves, or the person who wrote the description feels the kind of place it is... I guess we should leave it as it is... Oriolbcn
Residencia Australia and Hostal Central: Ciutat Vella (same thing as before, their license is a "student residence" for the first and a "pension" for the other.
The Welcome INN: Ciutat Vella
Itaca: Ciutat Vella
Kabul: Ciutat Vella (as it's stated in the same description)
Oriolbcn, do you mean that we'd better have "Sarria St. Gervasi" district for these items: HCC Covadonga, Hotel Contado, Barcelona City North? And "Poble Sec" for Hotel Silken Concordia?
--DenisYurkin 13:46, 19 September 2007 (EDT)
This is also tricky... I'm not sure I have an answer... In Barcelona there are a number of districts apart from the 4 that are listed in the article. I'm preparing a description of them all with the official borders to share with you when finished... However in terms of giving useful information to the visitor, even if those hotels are "legally" in another distric, they are so close to the better known one that it might be more informative to name the better known name than the other... I don't know... In some of the cases above the difference is being on one side of the street or on the other!... What do you think? --Oriolbcn
I guess that for now it's OK to stick these businesses to the nearest district we have.
And yes, we absolutely need suggestions on how we can define district borders. Maybe you can share what you already have, even if not all districts are covered yet? It will really help to start a discussion towards reaching consensus. --DenisYurkin 15:03, 29 September 2007 (EDT)