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2013-06-18T00:31:42Z

‎The Difference Between "To Do" and "To See":

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‎Marooned on a hippo island!: new section

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2013-06-17T06:45:39Z

‎Is it worthy to travel Vietnam by motorbike ???:

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2013-06-16T15:24:54Z

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‎Pages for Single Locations:

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 : Thank you for your question! For the future, please write all the questions here in the Travellers' Pub and one of the admins will get back to you. : Individual attractions '''should not''' have their own articles (in general). Their information should be listed in the [[Wikitravel:geographical hierarchy#Cities|city]] or possibly [[Wikitravel:geographical hierarchy#Districts|district]] that they're in.  With a few very [http://wikitravel.org/en/Wikitravel:What_is_an_article#Exceptions rare exceptions] there '''should not''' be articles about museums, city parks, hotels, restaurants, etc. You can read more [http://wikitravel.org/en/Wikitravel:What_is_an_article%3F here]. It's all with the purpose to keep Wikitravel organized and consistent. Please add more information to [[Tallinn]] page about the Museum of Occupation- description, pictures, information relevant to the traveler. We will be delighted to see your edits! Let me know if you have more questions. I am here to help! Cheers! [[User:IBAlex|IBAlex]] ([[User talk:IBAlex|talk]]) 13:09, 13 June 2013 (EDT)
-Hi, thanks for moving my question. Sorry, I didn't know where to put it. However, I think this policy should be revised. How can this site be the "most complete" travel guide if there is only limited information on the majority of what traveling is about - the individual locations within the cities? I know that even when I have used this site in the past, I always find that there is hardly any info about the individual things to do at each location, so I end up just looking for more specific information elsewhere. I think you are losing a lot of potential users by not allowing more specific pages to be created. These are not opinion pages either, each page is a specific destination that has facts that cannot be disputed. Museums, for example - this could be a great place to put tons of pictures of things that you will actually see in the museums as well as specifically describe both the overall theme as well as individual exhibits. You just cannot provide anywhere near that in-dept information in a small blurb about the museum on a city's page, and therefore people leave this site and go somewhere else when trying to find that. I really think you should reconsider to keep those people here, and make this a place where you can find EVERYTHING without needing to go elsewhere to supplement it. [[Special:Contributions/98.209.245.93|98.209.245.93]] 23:15, 14 June 2013 (EDT)
+::Hi, thanks for moving my question. Sorry, I didn't know where to put it. However, I think this policy should be revised. How can this site be the "most complete" travel guide if there is only limited information on the majority of what traveling is about - the individual locations within the cities? I know that even when I have used this site in the past, I always find that there is hardly any info about the individual things to do at each location, so I end up just looking for more specific information elsewhere. I think you are losing a lot of potential users by not allowing more specific pages to be created. These are not opinion pages either, each page is a specific destination that has facts that cannot be disputed. Museums, for example - this could be a great place to put tons of pictures of things that you will actually see in the museums as well as specifically describe both the overall theme as well as individual exhibits. You just cannot provide anywhere near that in-dept information in a small blurb about the museum on a city's page, and therefore people leave this site and go somewhere else when trying to find that. I really think you should reconsider to keep those people here, and make this a place where you can find EVERYTHING without needing to go elsewhere to supplement it. [[Special:Contributions/98.209.245.93|98.209.245.93]] 23:15, 14 June 2013 (EDT::
+:: That was me, Zeek. Apparently I was logged off. [[User:ZeekLTK|ZeekLTK]] ([[User talk:ZeekLTK|talk]]) 23:15, 14 June 2013 (EDT)
-*That was me, Zeek. Apparently I was logged off. [[User:ZeekLTK|ZeekLTK]] ([[User talk:ZeekLTK|talk]]) 23:15, 14 June 2013 (EDT)
 == The Difference Between "To Do" and "To See"==
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 [[User:Alexabac|Alexabac]] ([[User talk:Alexabac|talk]]) 11:24, 16 June 2013 (EDT)
+: Hi Alexabac! That's a very good question, I'm happy you asked it. Section ''See'' is used in any destination article and is required in all cases.  May be combined with section "Do" if making a distinction between attractions and activities is difficult or unnecessary (as with amusement parks or very small destinations). Section ''See'' is for '''attractions''' in the area. Attractions are '''passive by nature''', involving things that are more-or-less permanently available for viewing. Galleries and museums, zoos, parks, and landmarks are examples. Scenery and observation towers also fall under "See". Section ''Do'' however, is optional and lists '''activities''' in the area. Activities are usually active by nature, plus '''scheduled events'''. Sports (both participatory and spectator), casinos, theaters, and tours are examples. Recreational activities like hiking, boating, or skiing also fall under "Do". For more information please look at [http://wikitravel.org/en/Wikitravel:Article_templates/Sections#See this page]. Also, [http://wikitravel.org/en/Wikitravel:Where_you_can_stick_it this page] can be very useful. I hope it all helps. We are happy to have a new contributor here on Wikitravel! Let me know if you have more questions, I'm happy to help! Cheers! [[User:IBAlex|IBAlex]] ([[User talk:IBAlex|talk]]) 20:31, 17 June 2013 (EDT)
-== Marooned on a hippo island!   ==
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-Uganda:  Murchison Falls National Park
-	Somebody at the lodge told us there was a youth hostel nearby, so after supper we started walking down the gravel road.  It happened to be a dark, moonless night, and we could barely see the road ahead of us.  We heard grunting and snuffling sounds all around us, but it was too dark to see who was making them.  We’d gone a few yards down the road when a Landrover came along.  We stuck out our thumbs, and the driver stopped for us.  When he turned on the headlights, we saw a mama hippo and her baby crossing the road not thirty feet ahead.  Thank heaven we hadn’t walked close enough to alarm her! – mama hippos are ferocious in defending their calves.  Despite their size and blimp-like appearance, hippos can run twice as fast as most humans, and their jaws are strong enough to bite a ten-foot crocodile in two.  If we’d walked much closer, this one might have attacked us and severely injured or killed us.  Fortunately she ignored the Landrover.
-	The driver dropped us at the ‘youth hostel,’ which turned out to be a dilapidated oval-shaped adobe structure with a tin roof held up by mud-brick pillars.  It was open-air, with large ‘windows’ all around, except they had no glass;  we were sheltered from rain but not from wind.  It was on a mud platform about three feet higher than the surrounding swampy ground, with a couple dozen decrepit metal cots but absolutely no other facilities.  Well, it would do for our needs.  We each selected one of the less-dilapidated cots and spread out our sleeping bags.
-	Sometime in the middle of the night I awoke and had to urinate.  No problem:  I could simply step outside the structure and pee off the raised platform.  By that time the moon had risen, and I could hear lots of grunting and shnuffling and see lots of huge dark shapes moving around:  mama hippos and their babies!  They come up from the river to feed on land at night.  They ignored me as long as I stayed on the platform, but I suspected they might have attacked if I’d ventured to walk among them.  We were marooned on an island in a sea of hippos!
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-Excerpted from Hitchhike the World, Book 1
-ISBN 1461173973

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		+	== Marooned on a hippo island! ==
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		+	Uganda: Murchison Falls National Park
		+	Somebody at the lodge told us there was a youth hostel nearby, so after supper we started walking down the gravel road. It happened to be a dark, moonless night, and we could barely see the road ahead of us. We heard grunting and snuffling sounds all around us, but it was too dark to see who was making them. We’d gone a few yards down the road when a Landrover came along. We stuck out our thumbs, and the driver stopped for us. When he turned on the headlights, we saw a mama hippo and her baby crossing the road not thirty feet ahead. Thank heaven we hadn’t walked close enough to alarm her! – mama hippos are ferocious in defending their calves. Despite their size and blimp-like appearance, hippos can run twice as fast as most humans, and their jaws are strong enough to bite a ten-foot crocodile in two. If we’d walked much closer, this one might have attacked us and severely injured or killed us. Fortunately she ignored the Landrover.
		+	The driver dropped us at the ‘youth hostel,’ which turned out to be a dilapidated oval-shaped adobe structure with a tin roof held up by mud-brick pillars. It was open-air, with large ‘windows’ all around, except they had no glass; we were sheltered from rain but not from wind. It was on a mud platform about three feet higher than the surrounding swampy ground, with a couple dozen decrepit metal cots but absolutely no other facilities. Well, it would do for our needs. We each selected one of the less-dilapidated cots and spread out our sleeping bags.
		+	Sometime in the middle of the night I awoke and had to urinate. No problem: I could simply step outside the structure and pee off the raised platform. By that time the moon had risen, and I could hear lots of grunting and shnuffling and see lots of huge dark shapes moving around: mama hippos and their babies! They come up from the river to feed on land at night. They ignored me as long as I stayed on the platform, but I suspected they might have attacked if I’d ventured to walk among them. We were marooned on an island in a sea of hippos!
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		+	Excerpted from Hitchhike the World, Book 1
		+	ISBN 1461173973

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−	~~== Is it worthy to travel Vietnam by motorbike ??? ==~~
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−	~~Dear Travel- lovers,~~
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−	Vietnam becomes more and more popular to international travelers. It's famous for outstanding oriental charm,beautiful beaches, great food and interesting history; besides, with its 70% of the area is mountain, Vietnam is also great country for motorcycle touring. However, according to statistics of traffic accidents,there is around 40 deaths a day... Is Vietnam a good place to do motorcycle touring ?[http://motorbiketourexpert.com/]

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		+	== Is it worthy to travel Vietnam by motorbike ??? ==
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		+	Dear Travel- lovers,
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		+	Vietnam becomes more and more popular to international travelers. It's famous for outstanding oriental charm,beautiful beaches, great food and interesting history; besides, with its 70% of the area is mountain, Vietnam is also great country for motorcycle touring. However, according to statistics of traffic accidents,there is around 40 deaths a day... Is Vietnam a good place to do motorcycle touring ?[http://motorbiketourexpert.com/]

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	*That was me, Zeek. Apparently I was logged off. [[User:ZeekLTK\|ZeekLTK]] ([[User talk:ZeekLTK\|talk]]) 23:15, 14 June 2013 (EDT)		*That was me, Zeek. Apparently I was logged off. [[User:ZeekLTK\|ZeekLTK]] ([[User talk:ZeekLTK\|talk]]) 23:15, 14 June 2013 (EDT)
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		+	== The Difference Between "To Do" and "To See"==
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		+	Hi! I'm editing a Wikitravel page for my first time and I was hoping someone could answer my question. What is the real difference between "To Do" and "To See", or is it really just up to the writer to decide? Any comments would be greatly appreciated!
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		+	Thanks!
		+	[[User:Alexabac\|Alexabac]] ([[User talk:Alexabac\|talk]]) 11:24, 16 June 2013 (EDT)

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	Hi, thanks for moving my question. Sorry, I didn't know where to put it. However, I think this policy should be revised. How can this site be the "most complete" travel guide if there is only limited information on the majority of what traveling is about - the individual locations within the cities? I know that even when I have used this site in the past, I always find that there is hardly any info about the individual things to do at each location, so I end up just looking for more specific information elsewhere. I think you are losing a lot of potential users by not allowing more specific pages to be created. These are not opinion pages either, each page is a specific destination that has facts that cannot be disputed. Museums, for example - this could be a great place to put tons of pictures of things that you will actually see in the museums as well as specifically describe both the overall theme as well as individual exhibits. You just cannot provide anywhere near that in-dept information in a small blurb about the museum on a city's page, and therefore people leave this site and go somewhere else when trying to find that. I really think you should reconsider to keep those people here, and make this a place where you can find EVERYTHING without needing to go elsewhere to supplement it. [[Special:Contributions/98.209.245.93\|98.209.245.93]] 23:15, 14 June 2013 (EDT)		Hi, thanks for moving my question. Sorry, I didn't know where to put it. However, I think this policy should be revised. How can this site be the "most complete" travel guide if there is only limited information on the majority of what traveling is about - the individual locations within the cities? I know that even when I have used this site in the past, I always find that there is hardly any info about the individual things to do at each location, so I end up just looking for more specific information elsewhere. I think you are losing a lot of potential users by not allowing more specific pages to be created. These are not opinion pages either, each page is a specific destination that has facts that cannot be disputed. Museums, for example - this could be a great place to put tons of pictures of things that you will actually see in the museums as well as specifically describe both the overall theme as well as individual exhibits. You just cannot provide anywhere near that in-dept information in a small blurb about the museum on a city's page, and therefore people leave this site and go somewhere else when trying to find that. I really think you should reconsider to keep those people here, and make this a place where you can find EVERYTHING without needing to go elsewhere to supplement it. [[Special:Contributions/98.209.245.93\|98.209.245.93]] 23:15, 14 June 2013 (EDT)
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		+	*That was me, Zeek. Apparently I was logged off. [[User:ZeekLTK\|ZeekLTK]] ([[User talk:ZeekLTK\|talk]]) 23:15, 14 June 2013 (EDT)

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	: Thank you for your question! For the future, please write all the questions here in the Travellers' Pub and one of the admins will get back to you. : Individual attractions '''should not''' have their own articles (in general). Their information should be listed in the [[Wikitravel:geographical hierarchy#Cities\|city]] or possibly [[Wikitravel:geographical hierarchy#Districts\|district]] that they're in. With a few very [http://wikitravel.org/en/Wikitravel:What_is_an_article#Exceptions rare exceptions] there '''should not''' be articles about museums, city parks, hotels, restaurants, etc. You can read more [http://wikitravel.org/en/Wikitravel:What_is_an_article%3F here]. It's all with the purpose to keep Wikitravel organized and consistent. Please add more information to [[Tallinn]] page about the Museum of Occupation- description, pictures, information relevant to the traveler. We will be delighted to see your edits! Let me know if you have more questions. I am here to help! Cheers! [[User:IBAlex\|IBAlex]] ([[User talk:IBAlex\|talk]]) 13:09, 13 June 2013 (EDT)		: Thank you for your question! For the future, please write all the questions here in the Travellers' Pub and one of the admins will get back to you. : Individual attractions '''should not''' have their own articles (in general). Their information should be listed in the [[Wikitravel:geographical hierarchy#Cities\|city]] or possibly [[Wikitravel:geographical hierarchy#Districts\|district]] that they're in. With a few very [http://wikitravel.org/en/Wikitravel:What_is_an_article#Exceptions rare exceptions] there '''should not''' be articles about museums, city parks, hotels, restaurants, etc. You can read more [http://wikitravel.org/en/Wikitravel:What_is_an_article%3F here]. It's all with the purpose to keep Wikitravel organized and consistent. Please add more information to [[Tallinn]] page about the Museum of Occupation- description, pictures, information relevant to the traveler. We will be delighted to see your edits! Let me know if you have more questions. I am here to help! Cheers! [[User:IBAlex\|IBAlex]] ([[User talk:IBAlex\|talk]]) 13:09, 13 June 2013 (EDT)
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		+	Hi, thanks for moving my question. Sorry, I didn't know where to put it. However, I think this policy should be revised. How can this site be the "most complete" travel guide if there is only limited information on the majority of what traveling is about - the individual locations within the cities? I know that even when I have used this site in the past, I always find that there is hardly any info about the individual things to do at each location, so I end up just looking for more specific information elsewhere. I think you are losing a lot of potential users by not allowing more specific pages to be created. These are not opinion pages either, each page is a specific destination that has facts that cannot be disputed. Museums, for example - this could be a great place to put tons of pictures of things that you will actually see in the museums as well as specifically describe both the overall theme as well as individual exhibits. You just cannot provide anywhere near that in-dept information in a small blurb about the museum on a city's page, and therefore people leave this site and go somewhere else when trying to find that. I really think you should reconsider to keep those people here, and make this a place where you can find EVERYTHING without needing to go elsewhere to supplement it. [[Special:Contributions/98.209.245.93\|98.209.245.93]] 23:15, 14 June 2013 (EDT)

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	: Vaki, thank you for leaving this message! Being a part of a wiki means that from time to time we see [Wikitravel:Edit war\| edit wars] within the pages. I have just checked the History of edits on [[Turkey]], [[Istanbul]] and [[Ankara]], and i see that your edits are being reverted by IP addresses. I suggest you contact those IP addresses on their Talk Pages and use the [[Wikitravel:using talk pages\|talk page]] for the article to come to a [[Wikitravel:consensus\|consensus]]. please, explain your position, and explain why you made the change. If the IP addresses fail to respond and keep of engaging in edit war, I will consider temporary protecting the page from further edits. In a meantime, I keep an eye on all of the articles you mentioned above so I will know where to take the right action. Again, thank you for bringing that up and for your cooperation. Warm regards, [[User:IBAlex\|IBAlex]] ([[User talk:IBAlex\|talk]]) 14:04, 10 June 2013 (EDT)		: Vaki, thank you for leaving this message! Being a part of a wiki means that from time to time we see [Wikitravel:Edit war\| edit wars] within the pages. I have just checked the History of edits on [[Turkey]], [[Istanbul]] and [[Ankara]], and i see that your edits are being reverted by IP addresses. I suggest you contact those IP addresses on their Talk Pages and use the [[Wikitravel:using talk pages\|talk page]] for the article to come to a [[Wikitravel:consensus\|consensus]]. please, explain your position, and explain why you made the change. If the IP addresses fail to respond and keep of engaging in edit war, I will consider temporary protecting the page from further edits. In a meantime, I keep an eye on all of the articles you mentioned above so I will know where to take the right action. Again, thank you for bringing that up and for your cooperation. Warm regards, [[User:IBAlex\|IBAlex]] ([[User talk:IBAlex\|talk]]) 14:04, 10 June 2013 (EDT)
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		+	== Pages for Single Locations ==
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		+	Hi, I wasn't sure where to bring this up so I guess I figured right here on the main page. I was wondering if it was okay to make pages for individual locations within cities themselves. For example, pages for specific museums, parks, restaurants, hotels, etc. (things that are notable enough to be mentioned on the city's page itself).
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		+	The main page does say that this is a project for a "complete travel guide" and I feel that is lacking when there is not detailed information on specific things to do within each city. For example, I was in Tallinn 2 years ago and today I decided to look over the Tallinn page on here to see if there was anything I could add. I got to the "See" section and it's a very uninformative brief description for everything there is to do. The Museum of Occupation simply has an address and a very brief sentence that vaguely explains what is there. I found the museum to be very interesting and I could write a much longer description and include some pictures on a page that was solely about the museum itself.
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		+	But I just wanted to see if it was okay to make such pages. I don't want to do all this work to create them and then have them be deleted. Will check back soon. Cheers. [[User:ZeekLTK\|ZeekLTK]] ([[User talk:ZeekLTK\|talk]]) 10:01, 13 June 2013 (EDT)
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		+	: Thank you for your question! For the future, please write all the questions here in the Travellers' Pub and one of the admins will get back to you. : Individual attractions '''should not''' have their own articles (in general). Their information should be listed in the [[Wikitravel:geographical hierarchy#Cities\|city]] or possibly [[Wikitravel:geographical hierarchy#Districts\|district]] that they're in. With a few very [http://wikitravel.org/en/Wikitravel:What_is_an_article#Exceptions rare exceptions] there '''should not''' be articles about museums, city parks, hotels, restaurants, etc. You can read more [http://wikitravel.org/en/Wikitravel:What_is_an_article%3F here]. It's all with the purpose to keep Wikitravel organized and consistent. Please add more information to [[Tallinn]] page about the Museum of Occupation- description, pictures, information relevant to the traveler. We will be delighted to see your edits! Let me know if you have more questions. I am here to help! Cheers! [[User:IBAlex\|IBAlex]] ([[User talk:IBAlex\|talk]]) 13:09, 13 June 2013 (EDT)