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Wikitravel:Tips for new contributors

2013-05-18T17:52:46Z

Undo unexplained revision 2037956 by OVK that added incorrect material - please explain on this article's discussion page before re-adding false information

Wikitravel:Tips for new contributors

2013-05-18T16:15:54Z

Wikitravel:Tips for new contributors

2013-05-18T11:51:20Z

update - we don't have flashing red circles any more!

Wikitravel:Travellers' pub

2013-05-15T06:20:22Z

‎Brief outage 14 May 8PM PST: archived

Wikitravel:How to edit a page

2013-05-15T06:15:55Z

‎Using the check boxes:

Wikitravel:Travellers' pub

2013-05-14T20:15:55Z

‎Brief outage 14 May 8PM PST: new section

Wikitravel:Travellers' pub

2013-05-14T10:57:02Z

Reverted edits by Escort bursa (Talk) to last version by W. Frank

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Wikitravel:Travellers' pub

2013-05-14T06:06:09Z

escort bursa, bursa escort

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Wikitravel:Travellers' pub

2013-05-12T07:36:45Z

‎Renovating our Listing format:

Wikitravel:Travellers' pub

2013-05-12T05:47:31Z

‎Improvement Ideas: API to share contributions, share with WV....

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 # '''You''' are the most important resource Wikitravel has. '''Please''' join discussions, make comments, or ask questions. Your knowledge makes Wikitravel a better guide; your comments on our processes makes Wikitravel a better project.
 # We have a [[Wikitravel:help|help]] section with lots of info on how to work with our software, a [[Wikitravel:manual of style|manual of style]] with ideas on how articles are formatted and [[Wikitravel:policies and guidelines|policies and guidelines]] describe how we work together.  Our guide to [[Wikitravel:Tone|writing tone]] describes how we hope to create a lively guide, and to shun dry, encyclopaedic writing.
-# If you have some particular info you want to share, see the guidelines about [[Wikitravel:where you can stick it|where you can stick it]].  Have a look at [[Wikitravel:Article templates|article templates]] to see what the headings all mean.  If you're still not sure, ask, or put it where you think it fits best and someone else will move it to the right place.
+# If you have some particular information you want to share, see the guidelines about [[Wikitravel:where you can stick it|where you can stick it]]. Have a look at [[Wikitravel:Article templates|article templates]] to see what the headings all mean. If you're still not sure, ask, or put it where you think it fits best and someone else will move it to the right place.
-# Please consider [[Wikitravel:how to create a user account|creating a user account]].  Other wikitravelers will get to know and trust your work.  You can still be anonymous, and you don't even need to give your name.  Once you have an account and have made some edits, other wikitravellers can spend less time checking and more time improving the guide!  You can also create a [[Wikitravel:user page help|user page]] if you want, where you can talk about yourself, places you've been, ideas you have.  Or you can just leave it blank.  Your choice.
+# Please consider [[Wikitravel:how to create a user account|creating a user account]]. Other wikitravelers will get to know and trust your work. You can still be anonymous, and you don't even need to give your name. Once you have an account and have made some edits, other wikitravellers can spend less time checking and more time improving the guide! You can also create a [[Wikitravel:user page help|user page]] if you want, where you can talk about yourself, places you've been, ideas you have. But '''not''' plug your business or add irrelevant [[xl|external links]]! Or you can just leave it blank. Your choice.
 # When you edit an article, you can make a short comment describing your change.  If you remove information (say a restaurant has closed), make a note of it there.
 # If you wish you can add yourself to the [[Wikitravel:List of Wikitravellers by location|List of Wikitravellers by location]].  Other wikitravellers may collaborate when describing the region you live in.
 # Articles you work on can and probably will be changed by other people.  Making changes will often inspire others to make additions to your work.
 # Every article has an associated [[Wikitravel:using talk pages|Talk page]] where we discuss how best to work on that article. If you're wondering what's up with some article, why it's this way instead of that, check the talk page by clicking the '''discussion''' link.
-# Once you have a user account, other Wikitravellers can send you messages through your [[Wikitravel:using talk pages|user talk page]]. When there are new messages on your talk page, you'll see a '''blinking red circle''' next to the "my talk" link on any Wikitravel page. You should check to see what someone has to say.
+# Once you have a user account, other Wikitravellers can send you messages through your [[Wikitravel:using talk pages|user talk page]]. When there are new messages on your talk page, you'll see the text'''You have a new message from another user''' in an orange box at the top of any Wikitravel page until you visit your user '''Talk''' page. You should check to see what someone has written.
 # Wikitravel is a travel guide, not a travel journal. Try to share what you ''learned'', not what you ''did''. Avoid using [[Wikitravel:first person pronouns|first person pronouns]] like "I" or "we".  There is no need to sign or date your contribution.
 # Our [[Wikitravel:goals and non-goals|goals and non-goals]] explain what we're trying to do, and what we're not trying to do.
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 # Your contributions should be '''original work''', created by you. Please don't copy text or images from other Web sites to Wikitravel.
 # Wikitravellers sometimes use [[Wikitravel:Jargon]] in edit summaries or discussion pages.
-# Wikitravel has a '''large and active community''' of people who want to make this project a success. You may not see us at first, but we're here!
+# Wikitravel had a '''large and active community''' of people who want to make this project a success. You may not see us at first, but we were here!

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 # '''You''' are the most important resource Wikitravel has. '''Please''' join discussions, make comments, or ask questions. Your knowledge makes Wikitravel a better guide; your comments on our processes makes Wikitravel a better project.
 # We have a [[Wikitravel:help|help]] section with lots of info on how to work with our software, a [[Wikitravel:manual of style|manual of style]] with ideas on how articles are formatted and [[Wikitravel:policies and guidelines|policies and guidelines]] describe how we work together.  Our guide to [[Wikitravel:Tone|writing tone]] describes how we hope to create a lively guide, and to shun dry, encyclopaedic writing.
-# If you have some particular information you want to share, see the guidelines about [[Wikitravel:where you can stick it|where you can stick it]]. Have a look at [[Wikitravel:Article templates|article templates]] to see what the headings all mean. If you're still not sure, ask, or put it where you think it fits best and someone else will move it to the right place.
+# If you have some particular info you want to share, see the guidelines about [[Wikitravel:where you can stick it|where you can stick it]].  Have a look at [[Wikitravel:Article templates|article templates]] to see what the headings all mean.  If you're still not sure, ask, or put it where you think it fits best and someone else will move it to the right place.
-# Please consider [[Wikitravel:how to create a user account|creating a user account]]. Other wikitravelers will get to know and trust your work. You can still be anonymous, and you don't even need to give your name. Once you have an account and have made some edits, other wikitravellers can spend less time checking and more time improving the guide! You can also create a [[Wikitravel:user page help|user page]] if you want, where you can talk about yourself, places you've been, ideas you have. But '''not''' plug your business or add irrelevant [[xl|external links]]! Or you can just leave it blank. Your choice.
+# Please consider [[Wikitravel:how to create a user account|creating a user account]].  Other wikitravelers will get to know and trust your work.  You can still be anonymous, and you don't even need to give your name.  Once you have an account and have made some edits, other wikitravellers can spend less time checking and more time improving the guide!  You can also create a [[Wikitravel:user page help|user page]] if you want, where you can talk about yourself, places you've been, ideas you have.  Or you can just leave it blank.  Your choice.
 # When you edit an article, you can make a short comment describing your change.  If you remove information (say a restaurant has closed), make a note of it there.
 # If you wish you can add yourself to the [[Wikitravel:List of Wikitravellers by location|List of Wikitravellers by location]].  Other wikitravellers may collaborate when describing the region you live in.
 # Articles you work on can and probably will be changed by other people.  Making changes will often inspire others to make additions to your work.
 # Every article has an associated [[Wikitravel:using talk pages|Talk page]] where we discuss how best to work on that article. If you're wondering what's up with some article, why it's this way instead of that, check the talk page by clicking the '''discussion''' link.
-# Once you have a user account, other Wikitravellers can send you messages through your [[Wikitravel:using talk pages|user talk page]]. When there are new messages on your talk page, you'll see the text'''You have a new message from another user''' in an orange box at the top of any Wikitravel page until you visit your user '''Talk''' page. You should check to see what someone has written.
+# Once you have a user account, other Wikitravellers can send you messages through your [[Wikitravel:using talk pages|user talk page]]. When there are new messages on your talk page, you'll see a '''blinking red circle''' next to the "my talk" link on any Wikitravel page. You should check to see what someone has to say.
 # Wikitravel is a travel guide, not a travel journal. Try to share what you ''learned'', not what you ''did''. Avoid using [[Wikitravel:first person pronouns|first person pronouns]] like "I" or "we".  There is no need to sign or date your contribution.
 # Our [[Wikitravel:goals and non-goals|goals and non-goals]] explain what we're trying to do, and what we're not trying to do.
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 # Your contributions should be '''original work''', created by you. Please don't copy text or images from other Web sites to Wikitravel.
 # Wikitravellers sometimes use [[Wikitravel:Jargon]] in edit summaries or discussion pages.
-# Wikitravel had a '''large and active community''' of people who want to make this project a success. You may not see us at first, but we were here!
+# Wikitravel has a '''large and active community''' of people who want to make this project a success. You may not see us at first, but we're here!

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 # '''You''' are the most important resource Wikitravel has. '''Please''' join discussions, make comments, or ask questions. Your knowledge makes Wikitravel a better guide; your comments on our processes makes Wikitravel a better project.
 # We have a [[Wikitravel:help|help]] section with lots of info on how to work with our software, a [[Wikitravel:manual of style|manual of style]] with ideas on how articles are formatted and [[Wikitravel:policies and guidelines|policies and guidelines]] describe how we work together.  Our guide to [[Wikitravel:Tone|writing tone]] describes how we hope to create a lively guide, and to shun dry, encyclopaedic writing.
-# If you have some particular info you want to share, see the guidelines about [[Wikitravel:where you can stick it|where you can stick it]].  Have a look at [[Wikitravel:Article templates|article templates]] to see what the headings all mean.  If you're still not sure, ask, or put it where you think it fits best and someone else will move it to the right place.
+# If you have some particular information you want to share, see the guidelines about [[Wikitravel:where you can stick it|where you can stick it]]. Have a look at [[Wikitravel:Article templates|article templates]] to see what the headings all mean. If you're still not sure, ask, or put it where you think it fits best and someone else will move it to the right place.
-# Please consider [[Wikitravel:how to create a user account|creating a user account]].  Other wikitravelers will get to know and trust your work.  You can still be anonymous, and you don't even need to give your name.  Once you have an account and have made some edits, other wikitravellers can spend less time checking and more time improving the guide!  You can also create a [[Wikitravel:user page help|user page]] if you want, where you can talk about yourself, places you've been, ideas you have.  Or you can just leave it blank.  Your choice.
+# Please consider [[Wikitravel:how to create a user account|creating a user account]]. Other wikitravelers will get to know and trust your work. You can still be anonymous, and you don't even need to give your name. Once you have an account and have made some edits, other wikitravellers can spend less time checking and more time improving the guide! You can also create a [[Wikitravel:user page help|user page]] if you want, where you can talk about yourself, places you've been, ideas you have. But '''not''' plug your business or add irrelevant [[xl|external links]]! Or you can just leave it blank. Your choice.
 # When you edit an article, you can make a short comment describing your change.  If you remove information (say a restaurant has closed), make a note of it there.
 # If you wish you can add yourself to the [[Wikitravel:List of Wikitravellers by location|List of Wikitravellers by location]].  Other wikitravellers may collaborate when describing the region you live in.
 # Articles you work on can and probably will be changed by other people.  Making changes will often inspire others to make additions to your work.
 # Every article has an associated [[Wikitravel:using talk pages|Talk page]] where we discuss how best to work on that article. If you're wondering what's up with some article, why it's this way instead of that, check the talk page by clicking the '''discussion''' link.
-# Once you have a user account, other Wikitravellers can send you messages through your [[Wikitravel:using talk pages|user talk page]]. When there are new messages on your talk page, you'll see a '''blinking red circle''' next to the "my talk" link on any Wikitravel page. You should check to see what someone has to say.
+# Once you have a user account, other Wikitravellers can send you messages through your [[Wikitravel:using talk pages|user talk page]]. When there are new messages on your talk page, you'll see the text'''You have a new message from another user''' in an orange box at the top of any Wikitravel page until you visit your user '''Talk''' page. You should check to see what someone has written.
 # Wikitravel is a travel guide, not a travel journal. Try to share what you ''learned'', not what you ''did''. Avoid using [[Wikitravel:first person pronouns|first person pronouns]] like "I" or "we".  There is no need to sign or date your contribution.
 # Our [[Wikitravel:goals and non-goals|goals and non-goals]] explain what we're trying to do, and what we're not trying to do.
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 # Your contributions should be '''original work''', created by you. Please don't copy text or images from other Web sites to Wikitravel.
 # Wikitravellers sometimes use [[Wikitravel:Jargon]] in edit summaries or discussion pages.
-# Wikitravel has a '''large and active community''' of people who want to make this project a success. You may not see us at first, but we're here!
+# Wikitravel had a '''large and active community''' of people who want to make this project a success. You may not see us at first, but we were here!

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	::I can't help but feel that in this case it would be better to develop a hierarchy of user privileges so that non-casual users such as myself (with thousands of bona fide edits) can correct this type of vandalism.		::I can't help but feel that in this case it would be better to develop a hierarchy of user privileges so that non-casual users such as myself (with thousands of bona fide edits) can correct this type of vandalism.
	::In this case the "cure" is worse than the disease. --[[User:118dot93dot73dot30\|<font color="#FF3366">118</font>]][[User talk:118dot93dot73dot30\|<i>dot93dot73dot30</i>]] 21:13, 3 May 2013 (EDT)		::In this case the "cure" is worse than the disease. --[[User:118dot93dot73dot30\|<font color="#FF3366">118</font>]][[User talk:118dot93dot73dot30\|<i>dot93dot73dot30</i>]] 21:13, 3 May 2013 (EDT)
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−	~~== Brief outage 14 May 8PM PST ==~~
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−	Hello everybody! On 14 May there may be a brief outage starting at 8pm Pacific Time due to the site maintenance. Site outages are expected to be between 30 and 60 minutes. We apologize you for the inconvenience! Best wishes, [[User:IBAlex\|IBAlex]] ([[User talk:IBAlex\|talk]]) 16:15, 14 May 2013 (EDT)

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 If you are [[Special:userlogin|logged in]] to a [[Wikitravel:How to create a user account|user account]] there will be a '''This is a minor edit''' checkbox for marking your changes as "minor". The idea with this is that people reviewing page history or recent changes can filter out unimportant changes. It's up to you to determine what makes your changes "minor" -- usually, spelling corrections, grammar, or formatting changes are "minor", and changes to the real information on a page are not.
-The '''Watch this article''' checkbox puts this article on your [[Wikitravel:Watchlist help|watchlist]]. Any changes to the article, or to the article's talk page, by you or anyone else will show up in your watchlist, so you can keep an eye on the article.
+The '''Watch this article''' checkbox puts this article on your ''[[Wikitravel:Watchlist help|Watchlist]]''. Any changes to the article, or to the article's talk page, by you or anyone else will show up in your Watchlist, so you can keep an eye on the article.
-The default setting -- whether these checkboxes are checked or not by default -- can be set in your [[Wikitravel:User preferences help|user preferences]].
+The default setting -- whether these checkboxes are checked or not by default -- can be set in your user ''[[Wikitravel:User preferences help|Preferences]]''.
 ==Starting new pages==
-If you are starting a new page from scratch, please make use of our '''[[Wikitravel:Article templates|templates]]''' which helps to organize the information on a page and give a consistent look. See [[Wikitravel:How to start a new page]] for more information.
+If you are starting a new page from scratch, please make use of our '''[[Wikitravel:Article templates|Article templates]]''' which help to organise the information on a page and give a consistent look. See [[Wikitravel:How to start a new page]] for more information.
 ==Restoring previous article versions==
-If an editor changes or removes content from an article the old versions of the article are still available from the article's history.  To view article history, click on the "history" tab for any article, then click on the date for the revision that you are interested in.  To revert the article to the specified revision, simply click on the "edit" tab while viewing the old version and then re-save the version.  Alternately, if you just want to revert a single edit click on the "undo" link from an article's history next to the edit that is being reverted.
+If an editor changes or removes content from an article the old versions of the article are still available from the article's history.  To view article history, click on the "'''View history'''" tab for any article, then click on the date for the revision that you are interested in. To revert the article to the specified revision, simply click on the "edit" tab while viewing the old version and then re-save the version.  Alternately, if you just want to revert a single edit click on the "undo" link from an article's history next to the edit that is being reverted.
 ==See also==

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	::I can't help but feel that in this case it would be better to develop a hierarchy of user privileges so that non-casual users such as myself (with thousands of bona fide edits) can correct this type of vandalism.		::I can't help but feel that in this case it would be better to develop a hierarchy of user privileges so that non-casual users such as myself (with thousands of bona fide edits) can correct this type of vandalism.
	::In this case the "cure" is worse than the disease. --[[User:118dot93dot73dot30\|<font color="#FF3366">118</font>]][[User talk:118dot93dot73dot30\|<i>dot93dot73dot30</i>]] 21:13, 3 May 2013 (EDT)		::In this case the "cure" is worse than the disease. --[[User:118dot93dot73dot30\|<font color="#FF3366">118</font>]][[User talk:118dot93dot73dot30\|<i>dot93dot73dot30</i>]] 21:13, 3 May 2013 (EDT)
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		+	== Brief outage 14 May 8PM PST ==
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		+	Hello everybody! On 14 May there may be a brief outage starting at 8pm Pacific Time due to the site maintenance. Site outages are expected to be between 30 and 60 minutes. We apologize you for the inconvenience! Best wishes, [[User:IBAlex\|IBAlex]] ([[User talk:IBAlex\|talk]]) 16:15, 14 May 2013 (EDT)

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 : I'm a [[Special:Contributions/JimDeLaHunt|long-time Wikitravel contributor]] who was disappointed in 2012 with the way Internet Brands was treating the community and the site. I hardly contribute here anymore, but I do stop by and see how things are going. It's great that you are asking for suggestions.  That's the spirit I think you'll need a lot of for rebuilding. I'd offer that of these suggestions, you consider moving to the top of the list anything that will nuture and enlarge the contributor community. From my perspective, the most important technical change would be an API to offer any content changes to other sites. The second would be working with the WV... community to help them accept contributions from this API.  Why would that matter? First, it's a sign that Internet Brands is moving beyond hostility and control to openness and community. Second, it would make me think that if I made contributions here, I could help both Wikitravel and WV..., whereas if I contribute at WV... then Wikitravel would not pick it up.  It would give me a reason to move back to Wikitravel.  In any case, best wishes for the renewal. P.S. an easy first step towards openness and community would be to stop blacklisting the word WV... I can't believe I need to bowdlerize that word here. [[User:JimDeLaHunt|JimDeLaHunt]] ([[User talk:JimDeLaHunt|talk]]) 01:47, 12 May 2013 (EDT)
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 At the same time, they could activate the geographical co-ordinate information. --[[User:118dot93dot73dot30|<font color="#FF3366">118</font>]][[User talk:118dot93dot73dot30|<i>dot93dot73dot30</i>]] 02:00, 17 March 2013 (EDT)
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	: The most important thing to me are the coordinates to be used whit a GPS. There are the attributes lat="" and long="", but the coordinates are not displayed in the article. This should be fixed. Additional it would be great to have a GPX export function for all the stuff whit coordinates (per article and country would be perfect). I'm not sure if this is already possible, but also the whole articles should have coordinates. The coordinates should have a link to a map (openstreetmap). ''I can also offer some help whit coding.'' [[User:Denn\|Denn]] ([[User talk:Denn\|talk]]) 02:29, 8 May 2013 (EDT)		: The most important thing to me are the coordinates to be used whit a GPS. There are the attributes lat="" and long="", but the coordinates are not displayed in the article. This should be fixed. Additional it would be great to have a GPX export function for all the stuff whit coordinates (per article and country would be perfect). I'm not sure if this is already possible, but also the whole articles should have coordinates. The coordinates should have a link to a map (openstreetmap). ''I can also offer some help whit coding.'' [[User:Denn\|Denn]] ([[User talk:Denn\|talk]]) 02:29, 8 May 2013 (EDT)
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		+	: I'm a [[Special:Contributions/JimDeLaHunt\|long-time Wikitravel contributor]] who was disappointed in 2012 with the way Internet Brands was treating the community and the site. I hardly contribute here anymore, but I do stop by and see how things are going. It's great that you are asking for suggestions. That's the spirit I think you'll need a lot of for rebuilding. I'd offer that of these suggestions, you consider moving to the top of the list anything that will nuture and enlarge the contributor community. From my perspective, the most important technical change would be an API to offer any content changes to other sites. The second would be working with the WV... community to help them accept contributions from this API. Why would that matter? First, it's a sign that Internet Brands is moving beyond hostility and control to openness and community. Second, it would make me think that if I made contributions here, I could help both Wikitravel and WV..., whereas if I contribute at WV... then Wikitravel would not pick it up. It would give me a reason to move back to Wikitravel. In any case, best wishes for the renewal. P.S. an easy first step towards openness and community would be to stop blacklisting the word WV... I can't believe I need to bowdlerize that word here. [[User:JimDeLaHunt\|JimDeLaHunt]] ([[User talk:JimDeLaHunt\|talk]]) 01:47, 12 May 2013 (EDT)

	==New [[Main Page]]==		==New [[Main Page]]==