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• Delete. Unless I've missed something, the only acceptable articles on Shared are image categories, policy pages, and tech requests. --Peter ^Talk 18:30, 17 May 2009 (EDT)

No harm done, in my view, just redirect to Category:Portugal. Jpatokal 22:35, 17 May 2009 (EDT)

Wrote that before looking at the page, and damn, somebody's put a lot of work into it... but no harm in copying it to Category:Portugal, I presume? Jpatokal 22:37, 17 May 2009 (EDT)

• Delete. Holy crap, that was a ton of work! Before deleting though, let's make sure to add cat:portugal to each of the images – cacahuate ^talk 23:17, 17 May 2009 (EDT)

• Keep. I can't find a written policy that prohibits this type of page, and it seems to have great value in that it categorizes and annotates images that would otherwise be lumped together in Category:Portugal and its geographic subcategories. LtPowers 07:47, 18 May 2009 (EDT)

Perhaps it should be written, but I don't think anyone could have foreseen this before it happened :) Current consensus & practice is to use categories. Creating country pages would be a totally new direction for Shared, and should be discussed somewhere other than VFD if it's a direction we want to take. I can appreciate the effort this user put into the page, but I find it highly unlikely that we will take things in this direction, especially considering the amount of manual work involved – cacahuate ^talk 15:24, 18 May 2009 (EDT)

I seem to recall being told that I had to reference specific policies that support deletion, but maybe that was just on :en. LtPowers 18:50, 19 May 2009 (EDT)

That was also a situation where your vote ran counter to policy, restored a nomination speedy kept by another administrator, ran counter to all practice throughout the history of the site, and had the sole effects of serving as an insult to me, furthering drama that wasted a lot of other peoples' time and effort, encouraging an editor in misuse of process who had just returned from Wikitravel's first ever and only user ban, and generally contributing to the less collegial and friendly atmosphere that we have today between regular editors.

In this case, we don't have a "What is an article?" policy here because we don't have articles. We don't have a policy here stating that users can't write articles on sink installation either, but it runs clearly enough counter to practice that I think a delete (or a redirect per Jani's suggestion) would be sensible. I think we would need a policy discussion before introducing an entirely new category of work into Shared, but I think, given the work that has gone into this, it would be best to move it into the users' userspace until we have a discussion regarding organization of content—our category system is sub-optimal. --Peter ^Talk 06:12, 20 May 2009 (EDT)

I don't see what is the problem with this page. Afterall, there are other pages like this one, like Spain, and there is no written policy that prohibits this page. --Tiagox2 11:07, 31 May 2009 (EDT)

I just speedy deleted Spain, as it seemed a clear mistake, and lacked any useful content. One important issue that has not yet been brought up is that the main namespace on Shared is used for policy articles, and should not be mixed with image categorizing, which we have left solely up to our category namespace. There might be a place for this type of page, but I think we should move it out of the main namespace, and get a discussion going. --Peter ^Talk 20:21, 31 May 2009 (EDT)

In the Deletion policy says: "if we get plenty of pictures from the same location, an article page may be used and the images put into a gallery on that page".

That was added (without discussion, as far as I can see) prior to the use of categories, which render them irrelevant anyhow. It was never implemented, and runs counter to practice. I'll update the policy now to reflect that – cacahuate ^talk 16:22, 10 August 2009 (EDT)

Categories do not entirely render article-space pages irrelevant. Mostly, maybe. =) LtPowers 21:48, 10 August 2009 (EDT)

Do you have an example of something that belongs in the main namespace, that isn't a policy page, and that wouldn't make a category redundant? Though we should prob discuss this elsewhere  :) – cacahuate ^talk 21:17, 11 August 2009 (EDT)

• Semi-related discussion at Wikitravel Shared:Travellers' pub#Searching through namespaces. LtPowers 13:54, 30 July 2009 (EDT)

• Keep I don't see any harm in keeping this page, and someone put so much hard work into that, I'd really feel bad deleting it. sertmann 16:33, 23 October 2009 (EDT)

• Outcome: I've moved the page to User:Tiagox2/Portugal and redirected "Portugal" to the appropriate category. I have initiated a discussion on the usefulness of such pages on the Pub: Wikitravel Shared:Travellers' pub#"Article" or "Gallery"-type pages on Shared. LtPowers 19:38, 2 November 2009 (EST)