Thanks I have seen it, it is all a bit sad. I think in my case collaborating would actually be very beneficial to wikitravel and give IB more potential ad revenue. My members would be adding quality pages that currently do not exist or are only basic outlines. They probably won't see it that way so I will end up forking and starting my own. Unfortunately that is a one way decision, it will be impractical to combine after that point without a huge amount of hand editing. That is why I am giving it a shot right now. If someone knows who I should communicate about this please help. Is there any one at internet brands who would be good to talk too? I don't think they are even monitoring this site. kind of a hands off policy.