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Wikitravel upgrade 1.22.2[edit]

Hello all, We're excited to announce that Wikitravel will be upgrading its software! In order to migrate Wikitravel's extraordinary database of travel information, we'll be putting the site into read-only mode starting Thursday, 20 Mar 2014 at 5pm PST and running it for about 3-4 days. No edits will be possible at this time. When we come back, we'll be better than ever.

We’re moving to 1.22.2 version of MediaWiki. Here is a page that lists the changes. I also put together my own list with the changes that are visible to regular users. I believe this list is more easy to grasp.

Changes between 1.20 and 1.22.2 Media Wiki Software[edit]

IPs, Registered users, Admins:

  • Create an account page has new look and feel (more colors and shows on the right side stats for the # of edits, pages and recent contributors on Wikitravel)
  • Simplified search bar with vector skin only as an option, instead of “Go” and “Search” buttons.
  • Add Listing and Edit show on the top left side of the sections (previously at the top right corner)
  • Pop-up message “Your edit was saved” after making an edit and clicking “Save”.
  • When comparing revisions in the article history where noting was changed in the article, you notice a message "(No difference)" at the top middle part of the screen.
  • Left navigation bar subsections are now collapsible.
  • A pop up message is now displayed when the user attempts to leave the edit page with unsaved changes, on browsers supporting dialogs. Message says: This page is asking you to confirm that you want to leave - data you have entered may not be saved.”

Registered users and Admins:

  • Log in page is more new look and feel (colorful and neat).
  • Watch pages just by clicking on the star icon in the top right menu. Now you are not redirected to a different page and you don’t have to go back to the article after clicking “Watch”; you stay all the time on the same page. If the star icon is blue it means you’re watching the page.
  • New option in Account Preferences- User profile- Internationalization: “How do you prefer to be described?”

Admins only:

  • Mark as patrolled" link available on any patrollable page or revision, without having to go to Special:RecentChanges or Special:NewPages. You stay all the time on the same page.
  • Cascading page protection levels other than "Allow only administrators". New option: “Autoconfirmed users”.

Please let us know if you have any questions. Warm regards, IBAlex (talk) 18:39, 20 March 2014 (EDT)

Wikitravel is upgraded[edit]

Dear community! Wikitravel was upgraded successfully! Now you can edit the site again. If you see any bugs or issues, please report them below and I will be checking them and reporting to our tech team. Thank you for your cooperation! Warm regards, IBAlex (talk) 14:00, 25 March 2014 (EDT)

Why do you track users?[edit]

I think Wikitravel is a great thing, especially in view of the "sell-hotel-rooms, get kickback" commercialisation of publications like Lonely Planet. This one, on the other hand, has the potential to become ever more useful to all of us as users contribute their knowledge and experience. People will do that more readily if the whole thing is in the spirit of open collaboration -- the operative word being open.

I would therefore like to know why a Google Analytics tracker is issued by Wikitravel pages without informing the reader. That looks like secretive un-Wiki-spirited behaviour. But if it is beneficial for the users that you analyse what people read about, where will you publish the results of your researches?

Robert (New Zealand) 16:19, 13 April 2014 (EDT)

Analytics are a standard tool for almost all websites. They do not track users, they allow us to see where users are coming to the site from and tailor Wikitravel to everyone's needs. --IBobi talk email 16:35, 16 April 2014 (EDT)

Technical request[edit]

DMOZ Links in the sidebar include collaborating with the Open Directory Project. E.g. the English guide to Indianapolis guides users to the link directory from ODP. This project has recently made a push to be branded as "DMOZ" which is an older and more popular name for the site. I'd like to request that this be changed to reflect that community's branding. Koavf (talk) 16:06, 16 April 2014 (EDT)

Hi Justin! DMOZ has been dead for over 6 years now. There is no value for the traveler to keep their links in the sidebar. Therefore, we're in the process of removing them from the site. Warm regards, IBAlex (talk) 20:04, 16 April 2014 (EDT)
Dead For what it's worth, I edit there some. It's hard to track their metrics, as they are not as open a project as MediaWiki-based ones are. Should I remove links to DMOZ? Koavf (talk) 20:40, 16 April 2014 (EDT)
That would be great! How to do it? I would be happy to help. Thanks! IBAlex (talk) 21:11, 16 April 2014 (EDT)
Linking There is just little code at the end of articles which reads "[[Dmoz:North_America/United_States/Indiana/Localities/I/Indianapolis/]]" you just remove it (as I did on en) and it's gone. So the only external link we're keeping is Wikipedia? Koavf (talk) 21:42, 16 April 2014 (EDT)
Right, we only want to keep Wikipedia. With the removal of DMOZ I was wondering if there is a way to remove all the links at once instead of doing it manually? The problem is we have many references to DMOZ on various language versions of WT and it would be very time consuming to do it manually. Warm regards, IBAlex (talk) 12:10, 17 April 2014 (EDT)
DMOZ removal For what it's worth, DMOZ is not dead and there is discussion there about keeping links on Wikitravel (requires a login). I'm sure a bot can be written to remove dmoz: links but even if you don't, you can just disable them and they will immediately stop displaying. Was there any discussion about removing DMOZ and World66 links anywhere? Koavf (talk) 20:48, 17 April 2014 (EDT)
We still have links to World66 in our articles. What we removed are links to Wikitravel Extra because the site is inactive now and users could read Site is under construction. The discussion about DMOZ was held long time ago (in 2006). Lots of users in the community did not want to keep links to DMOZ but nothing was done at the end. Now, as I see DMOZ is "dead" and not really updated for many of the pages. Also, many link over there are not active anymore. Warm regards, IBAlex (talk) 14:42, 18 April 2014 (EDT)

Technical edit[edit]

en Main Page At en's Main Page, there is a link to Wikitravel Extra. I've tried to remove all references to Extra and Wikitravel Press throughout the language editions but there's some trickery going on there which makes it have a different sidebar. I can't figure out how to remove the link to Extra. Can someone help? Koavf (talk) 23:24, 16 April 2014 (EDT)

Yes, en Main Page is an html (not a wiki page) and tech team would have to remove it. I will ask them for that. Best, IBAlex (talk) 12:11, 17 April 2014 (EDT)

Updates on technical requests above[edit]

Please edit These requests are a month old: I know the English Main Page edit is simple. If you still think DMOZ links should be removed, then that can be done manually by users over time. As far as I'm aware, they're really only in de, en, and nl. Koavf (talk) 19:29, 15 May 2014 (EDT)

Koavf, our IT team will be removing them all at once from all the pages so that there is no need in doing that manually. A couple weeks ago they told me that they removed the links already, however, yes, I see that links to Open Directory are still in some of the articles. I've been working with the IT to remove them completely. I will let you know once it's done. Thank you! IBAlex (talk) 19:57, 15 May 2014 (EDT)
Koavf, IT just told me that all the links were removed at once from the pages. I checked several articles and I don't see them anymore. You? Warm regards, IBAlex (talk) 14:21, 16 May 2014 (EDT)
DMOZ I no longer see DMOZ links but the link to Wikitravel Extra is still on en's Main Page. Koavf (talk) 15:11, 29 May 2014 (EDT)
I asked IT team to remove the empty link as there is no point in having it on the HP. Thanks, Justin! IBAlex (talk) 15:17, 29 May 2014 (EDT)

How does place name Category system work?[edit]

I see that Category:United Kingdom contains many city names, followed by county, eg Category:United Kingdom contains Category:Sheffield (county). Sheffield is in fact a city, not a county. The Category:United Kingdom also contains Category:South Yorkshire which in turn contains Category:Sheffield (South Yorkshire).

I also see that http://wikitravel.org/wiki/shared/index.php?title=Special:Categories&dir=prev&offset=St._Mary_Lake%2C_Glacier_National_Park%2C_Montana%2C_U.S.&limit=500 lists 'Sheffield?? (2 members)', 'Sheffield, ENG?? (2 members)' and 'Sheffield, UK?? (1 member)'.

Where should images of Sheffield go?

I also see that http://wikitravel.org/shared/File:Shefftownhall.jpg has the claim 'There are no pages that link to this file', when the file is in use on the page http://wikitravel.org/en/Sheffield

How does place name Category system work?

Is it possible to allocate an image to a category, or change the image's category and if so how?

Thanks. Martin Bacon (talk) 22:10, 16 May 2014 (EDT)

Hello Martin Bacon! Thank you for your message and for drawing our attention to this issue. Indeed, many picture categories need to be reorganized. The reason we have so many confusing categories is because over time users did not know how to organize pictures correctly and administrators did not correct the mistakes. I'm here to help so I would gladly organize all the pictures related to Sheffield correctly. We would have to delete several incorrect categories and leave only one. My question is which one? Please let me know which one is best to keep and i will help organize the pictures. Warm regards, IBAlex (talk) 15:17, 27 May 2014 (EDT)

Portland (Oregon)[edit]

Hello! For some reason your article for Portland, Oregon isn't working. —The preceding comment was added by (talkcontribs)

Hello! Thank you for your message! Sorry for a late response. Wikitravel was under a vandalism attack on the 20th of May and lots of pages were broken. The problem was resolved within 5h and everything is fine now. If you happen to see something similar in the future, please let us know. Thank you for staying alert! Warm regards, IBAlex (talk) 14:53, 27 May 2014 (EDT)

http://wikitravel.org/en/Kyoto 404 pathetic, insulting, stupid[edit]

what is wrong with your website? http://wikitravel.org/en/Kyoto seriously? —The preceding comment was added by (talkcontribs)

Hello! Thank you for your message! Sorry for a late response. Wikitravel was under a vandalism attack on the 20th of May and lots of pages were broken. The problem was resolved within 5h and everything is fine now. If you happen to see something similar in the future, please let us know. Thank you for staying alert! Warm regards, IBAlex (talk) 14:53, 27 May 2014 (EDT)

Osaka, Kyoto and San Francisco Wikitravel gives 404 error not found[edit]



Seems to give 404 error not found

Is that an error which appear on other users' pc as well?

http://wikitravel.org/en/San_Francisco San Francisco has a similar problem.

Harp (talk) 21:58, 20 May 2014 (EDT)

Hello Harp! Thank you for your message! Sorry for a late response. Wikitravel was under a vandalism attack on the 20th of May and lots of pages were broken. The problem was resolved within 5h and everything is fine now. If you happen to see something similar in the future, please let us know. Thank you for staying alert! Warm regards, IBAlex (talk) 14:53, 27 May 2014 (EDT)

Errors show up in m.wikitravel.org[edit]



Shows something like this at the beginning of each page:

if(typeof(cachebuster) == "undefined"){var cachebuster = Math.floor(Math.random()*10000000000)}if(typeof(dcopt) == "undefined"){var dcopt = "dcopt=ist;"} else {var dcopt = ""}if(typeof(tile) == "undefined"){var tile = 1} else {tile++}

This is only the case on the mobile websites and it is also the case in wikitravel shared. Is there any way to fix that bug?

Thanks! 09:48, 2 June 2014 (EDT)

Also Click on that link. Then click on an image (e.g. File:New_York_City_District_Map.png at http://m.wikitravel.org/en/File:New_York_City_District_Map.png ), then try to click on the image itself and you'll get an error ( http://m.wikitravel.org/upload/shared//5/5a/New_York_City_District_Map.png ) The proper URI is http://wikitravel.org/upload/shared//5/5a/New_York_City_District_Map.png (minus the "m" subdomain). Koavf (talk) 11:48, 2 June 2014 (EDT)
Thank you for the messages! Yes, tech team is aware of those problems and they are working on fixing them. If you find any other bug in the mobile version, please let us know. Warm regards, IBAlex (talk) 13:17, 2 June 2014 (EDT)

link to www.discoverydiversresort.com[edit]

This link appears to have been hijacked by Corto Del Mar Hotel or Booking.com

Please delete current link and insert correct link to Discovery Island Resort and Dive Center at www.discoverydiversresort.com or same resort at booking.com - many thanks

Discovery Island Resort info@discoverydiversresort.com 00:16, 4 June 2014 (EDT)

I checked the link in the [Coron] article but there all seems to work ok, where did you see the incorrect link? Thanks! Adzas (talk) 10:21, 4 June 2014 (EDT)

Hate speech on the page 'Malaysia'[edit]

The page 'Malaysia' (http://wikitravel.org/en/Malaysia) contained unacceptable Islamophobic hate speech. 'another noisy islamic shithole country in Southeast Asia'; 'YOU DO NOT HAVE TO RESPECT MUSLIMS/MALAYS. They are islamic supremacists.'; The religion of islam is a parasite on civilized nations and muslims are the nastiest loudest filth ever to infest this world.' (all from the paragraph 'Understand'); 'Now malaysia is a loud noisy shithole country thanks to the brainwashed wailing muslim monkeys. It's 10.15pm and you can still hear the wailing apes at night. Noisy noisy noisy.' (from 'History') 'The only politics in this noisy shithole islamic country is monkey muslim malay politics.' (from 'Politics') 'Malaysia is in the far eastern region (southern tip). Far, far away from the arab, iranian, paki scum.' (from 'Geography') 'Malays also breed like rabbits. It is not uncommon for a couple to breed 8 to 15 little muslim fucktards.' (from 'People') etc. etc. This is extremely offensive, racist and Islamophobic. I have removed the sections I saw from the article, but there might still be more of this awful hateful twaddle. It should never have been published in the first place. This really needs looking into. Thank you for reading my comment!Ben Trovato (talk) 12:50, 29 June 2014 (EDT)

Hello Ben! We are aware of the situation on Malaysia's page. If the thing continues we'll probably protect the page. Regards, GiulioC (talk) 05:11, 30 June 2014 (EDT)
Hate speech is not allowed on Wikitravel. We will continue to revert such edits, and block access for anyone who makes them. Feel free to contact me on my talk page if you see other vandalism. IBobi talk email 19:10, 30 June 2014 (EDT)

Editing pages nor creating account work from from China because of missing Google Recaptcha[edit]

Since end of May 2014 are Google services blocked in China, editing page or creating account on Wikitravel.org requires entering code from Google Recaptcha, so all users from Chinese IP address which would like to correct data or sign up for account can't finish the process because Google Recaptcha won't appear to them on page. I had to use VPN on my mobile to create account to be able to notify you about this, but not all users have VPN to spoof their IP address.

Markoff (talk) 22:10, 23 July 2014 (EDT)Markoff

Thank you for your comments. Our admin in China has contacted our main office about this, so they are aware. Hopefully you are able to add some nice content on Wikitravel now you do have an account. Any questions, please let us know. Kind regards, Adzas (talk) 05:37, 25 July 2014 (EDT)



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