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Purpose[edit]

In a previous discussion Evan had indicated it might be a good idea to separate template usage policy from the index of templates, so this page is an attempt to do that. I've not listed all existing templates here since for many of them there is no consensus to use them. That said, I'm sure I've missed some templates that are used. Comments or suggestions are welcome. -- Ryan 04:03, 3 April 2006 (EDT)

Experimental templates[edit]

So, should we make a section for experimental templates -- ones we've started but haven't decided we actually want to use yet. A couple of examples would be the various quickbar replacements and Template:Sidebar. --Evan 07:43, 25 April 2006 (EDT)

Another vote for this idea. How can we progress with it? --DenisYurkin 00:55, 20 February 2007 (EST)

hasDocents should be listed here[edit]

In which section it should go? --DenisYurkin 00:51, 20 February 2007 (EST)

Quickbar for other purposes?[edit]

Is there a quickbar that exists for pages other than country pages? I.e. one for use in towns that would list information such as population, postal code, area code, time zone (for countries like the US that have multiple time zones) and other little tidbits that you can't necessarily fit into the text of the article but are still crucial for the visitor? L'Aquatique 17:12, 30 July 2007 (EDT)

We created one on the German branch of Wikitravel. See Madrid, Manhattan or Ko Tao. Unfortunatly quickbars seem to be a bit unpopular on en:, it was even proposed to remove the country quickbar, see here. --Flip666 writeme! • 17:23, 30 July 2007 (EDT)

Template approval process[edit]

Hey there! So I'm just thinking, based on several past conversations and some Star article nominations, would it make sense to have a Template rating system/status? I don't think it's worthwile having multiple levels or anything, but something as simple as "approved template" or "star template", which would make it easier in the future when evaluating a Star nomination. I don't think we're close to having any Star countries, but if we were, as an example, it would be nice if we'd already come to a consensus about Template:Regionlist, and that's it fully hashed out and has met its potential for the most part. Then a Star country would be required to use it, and we'd feel confident that the template was based on a reasonable consensus. The same would go for the new Climate templates, or a bus timetable template on a city page. ??? – cacahuate talk 22:31, 28 May 2007 (EDT)

I think this would be getting more bureaucratic than we need. If a template gets used widely without anyone undoing it, that's de facto "approved" status, via wikiconsensus. When people stop messing with it, it's a "star". And if we want to require a country article to use (or not use) a particular template, then we revise the Star criteria (or Guide criteria, or however strongly we feel about it) to say so. (P.S. A bus timetable template? I'd go around undoing it.) - Todd VerBeek 22:54, 29 May 2007 (EDT)

Templates for large and notable special events[edit]

Swept in from the pub:

A while ago I have created a FIFA2010Host template and added this to all cities that will host World Cup 2010 matches in South Africa. The template siply lists the stadiums and links back to the World Cup 2010 article as well as the official FIFA 2010 homepage. Examples are Cape Town, Johannesburg, Durban ...

I'd like to do the same for Euro 2008. Are there any objections if we do this for any major events? Is there any potential drawbacks or issues with something like this that I might be missing? --Nick 04:59, 11 March 2008 (EDT)

template for "see section X of article Y?"[edit]

Isn't it's time to create a template for [[Y#X|section X of article Y]]?

Objections; suggestions on wording; alternative ideas? --DenisYurkin 19:20, 1 February 2010 (EST)

I think the wording needs to be customized to the sentence in which it appears; I think a one-size-fits-all solution is too limiting, especially given the minor benefit a template would confer. LtPowers 21:29, 1 February 2010 (EST)
Maybe we can suggest the few typical best wording for this, not as templates? --DenisYurkin 03:19, 2 February 2010 (EST)
Have you encountered problems with wording this type of link? LtPowers 09:09, 2 February 2010 (EST)
I think I'm just not sure that the wording I use is really good. If anyone could come up with several examples, it would really help. --DenisYurkin 11:10, 2 February 2010 (EST)
I'm cornfused.... what? – cacahuate talk 01:35, 3 February 2010 (EST)
Yes, I definitely need examples of good wording from native speaker editors here :-) --DenisYurkin 13:10, 3 February 2010 (EST)

Proposed "Completed events" template[edit]

Based on discussion at Wikitravel:Votes_for_deletion#Euro_2008, I propose a template {{Completedevent}}. The template would place text in a box reading "This event closed in YEAR and is no longer open to the public. XXXXoptional more textXXXXXXXXXX". It will embed the disclaimerbox template to draw the box. It would look like:

This event closed in 2008 and is no longer open to the public. The next Olympics will be held in London in 2012.

or

This event closed in 2009 and is no longer open to the public.


It would be placed at the top of the page for events which had usable or better articles created for them, and retained as historic pages. Articles for events which never reached usable status would normally be deleted after the event closed, through the vfd process. Most links to the page would be removed so that users would only see these pages if they really wanted them. First parameter is year, second optional parameter is followup text for the second sentence.

The template would provide a consistent and approved method to retain interesting articles for historic purpose. If someone wanted to view all of these, they could simply list the pages linked to template:Completedevent. But if someone stumbled across the page, it should be obvious that wikitravel is not filled with obsolete information.

If accepted, I can create the template and place it on the six pages we know of which are for already-closed events. The page for Beijing 2008 has been redirected into Beijing but we may wish to revert it and keep (though it was only an outline-level article). Expo 2005, Euro 2008, Rugby World Cup 2007, Vancouver 2010, World Cup 2006, World Cup 2010. --Bill in STL 04:54, 24 August 2010 (EDT)

Looks fine to me, although I think I would prefer a different color than that used in Template:Disclaimerbox. LtPowers 14:21, 24 August 2010 (EDT)
What about re-using the same look & feel as Template:Joke, which serves a similar purpose to the template Bill is proposing? -- Ryan • (talk) • 00:03, 25 August 2010 (EDT)
Do you think the border stands out sufficiently against the white background? Maybe either bigger text or bolder box? I think you're right a box at the top of the screen should be centered. Anyone else want a different look to the box?
This event closed in 2008 and is no longer open to the public. The next Olympics will be held in London in 2012.


This event closed in 2008 and is no longer open to the public.
Bill in STL 01:28, 25 August 2010 (EDT)
This event closed in 2008 and is no longer open to the public.
The next Olympics will be held in London in 2012.
-- LtPowers 10:06, 25 August 2010 (EDT)
I'm OK with just about any format that people agree on, but I'd suggest that we try to be consistent across articles so that the format for completed events, joke articles, and other articles that are no longer active is the same. If we go with LtPowers suggestion then I'd recommend updating Template:Joke to match it or (even better) have both templates use a common "archive template" to generate layout. -- Ryan • (talk) • 10:54, 25 August 2010 (EDT)
The joke template is similar to our article status templates, in color and style. I guess I didn't think of this new proposal as a status template like those, but if it is maybe they should all match (in which case my color/style suggestion is unneeded). LtPowers 14:59, 25 August 2010 (EDT)
I'm also ok with using the same format as the status templates if desired. I like using a standard template to format all of these type of messages which we place at the top of the article. --Bill in STL 15:54, 25 August 2010 (EDT)
I took a stab at the templates. See Template:Topbox and Template:CompletedEvent. I used the format of template:joke, but easy to change. I also added it to Vancouver 2010 to see how it would look; easily removed if appropriate. If this looks right, we can modify Template:Joke to use this as well. Not sure we need the text "and is no longer open to the public." That's sort of obvious. I set up the template to take multiple lines, if needed for other situations. --Bill in STL 23:27, 25 August 2010 (EDT)

Olympics articles[edit]

Swept in from pub:

Do you think Olympic cities should have a banner like the FIFA Cup cities (see Durban for an example) to encourage people to contribute and view Wikitravel's Olympic pages, like Vancouver 2010. I was reviewing the Vancouver page to see if it could be a CotM, and I wondered why FIFA is given such fanfare with a snazzy banner but not the Olympics. ChubbyWimbus 21:44, 13 July 2009 (EDT)

Sure, you can create a template and add it to relevant pages. I think we just need to enshrine in policy that these are always temporary and will be nuked once the event ends. Jpatokal 01:09, 14 July 2009 (EDT)
Yes, there had been a (very poor quality) article on the 2008 games. I think part of the reason may be in the fact that the Olympics are held in one city (and maybe a nearby city for 1-2 events), whereas the FIFA World Cup is spread over several cities. Same thing happened with Euro2008. AHeneen 01:48, 14 July 2009 (EDT)
Even if there is only one city, something the scope of the Olympics still should be highlighted. We should create a similar banner for London 2012. If there are other existing pages for places where events will be held, it would be put on those as well. --Bill in STL 17:23, 27 August 2010 (EDT)
Template for olympics was created. Olympics will be held at a dozen cities in United Kingdom plus several districts of London. Template added to each. See Special:Whatlinkshere/Template:London2012 for list of pages. There's still a question about which events are big enough for something like this. Olympics: yes. FIFA world Cup: probably. FIFA Beach Soccer world cup? Should we have templates for the COmmonwealth games, pan american games, etc. See potential list of events at International sporting events. For smaller events, sporting or not, which would impact travelers, we could add a generic "upcoming event" template which would just list the event name, date(s), and link if any to the wikitravel page for the event or to the official website. Something like Democratic Convention in America takes over a city for a few days; if you aren't going for the convention then you want to avoid it for that week. I've lived in two cities which received visits from the Pope, and in each the city essentially shut down for the day. US Football superbowl. -- Bill in STL 16:59, 1 October 2010 (EDT)

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