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I've moved the previous comments to where they would be more appropriate: Wikitravel talk:Logo voting page/Round 1. --Comrade009 00:20, 9 Aug 2005 (EDT)

Include Another?[edit]

I submitted a logo on the original entries page (admittedly very late). I'd like people to be able to see it and vote on it. Thanks! Jsmorse47 22:48, 8 Aug 2005 (EDT)
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Sorry mate, you're way too late. The voting's in the second round now. Jpatokal 23:01, 8 Aug 2005 (EDT)

Nothing wrong with more competition, though, right? :-D66.91.248.226

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I believe that Owl's logo should be in this final round of voting. It was only 1 vote behind third place, and I don't think we ever explicitly stated only 3 logos would make it to the final round. --Comrade009 00:25, 9 Aug 2005 (EDT)

Um, it's in the second sentence at the top of the page — The three designs with the most votes will go on into the second round. — as well as in the initial voting process that was agreed to.
And yeah, it's an arbitrary cutoff, but you gotta put the cutoff somewhere or this will never end. And on the bright side, the Coolvetica font he found seems virtually certain to make it into the final logo... Jpatokal 00:32, 9 Aug 2005 (EDT)
I do feel rather hard done by to have missed out on round 2 by one vote. In the end, someone has to decide the rules, but I think there was enough interest in a revised version of my logo that we shouldn't exclude it completely. Perhaps cutoff should be something like "8 votes or more" rather than a number of logos. In which case, you should probably include Neil C's compass-star logo too. Not that I'm bitter, I did only enter this for a laugh - I just feel it's a bit of a shame that a number of people were interested (and I can tell you only one person who voted for mine was someone I know) in my work and now it's been dropped at the first hurdle. -- Owl 16:27, 9 Aug 2005 (EDT)
OK, I concede. It's just a shame that someone couldn't have stood up and told me straight that I was not allowed into the second round. Oh, and I didn't find Coolvetica, that was Comrade009 if I'm not mistaken. :) -- Owl 14:49, 11 Aug 2005 (EDT)

After a logo is selected[edit]

Can we wait at least a week before it is posted? I propose having an official logo discussion page. Things need to be fine tuned, such as kerning, colors, alignment, favicons, placement, vectorization, rotation, readability, etc. I think a week should be enough time to have everything in order. Plus, we could even start discussing merchandise (I explicitly remembered this being mentioned in the contest page. And dammimt, I want a wikitravel tshirt :) --Comrade009 00:25, 9 Aug 2005 (EDT)

I think it's fine to announce the winner, but sure, we should wait until the finetuning is complete before we plaster the logo over the site itself.
And oh yes, while I'm at it, Monobook's gotta go. The basic layout I'm fine with but we need a new background image. Jpatokal 00:36, 9 Aug 2005 (EDT)
Eh, I think the main content area needs to have the same line length as a book (about 80ex), rather than stretching out to infinity on the right. It's uncomfortable. I'm going to have more time to dedicate to Wikitravel in the next couple of months, and re-doing the skin is one of the main projects I have.
As for merch: it's on the todo list. --Evan 09:25, 9 Aug 2005 (EDT)
Dig this: http://www.cafepress.com/cp/info/sell/ -- Mark 12:02, 9 Aug 2005 (EDT)

Vote validation[edit]

Since this vote is shaping up to be a cliffhanger, I think it's best that we apply a fascist but fair policy to vote validation: if the user isn't logged in, the vote doesn't count, period. Based on this, I have removed the following votes:

If I missed any, please list them here, and if you were affected, please cast your vote again as a logged-in user. Jpatokal 21:34, 11 Aug 2005 (EDT)

First, please realize that there is a bug in this version of mediawiki that makes it appear that you are logged in when you are really not. I've had to resign MANY posts because of this. Secondly, to make the policy slightly less fascist, you can inform the user that their vote has been discounted. --Comrade009 22:54, 11 Aug 2005 (EDT)
Yeah, I hate that bug too... but if you actually follow instructions and sign with ~~~, it will be obvious that you weren't logged in as soon as you save the page and it turns into 1.2.3.4. And thanks for notifying the users in question. Jpatokal 23:37, 11 Aug 2005 (EDT)
There were instructions? -- Colin 00:01, 12 Aug 2005 (EDT)

User:qx was not logged in when he/she voted. --Comrade009 20:14, 12 Aug 2005 (EDT)

I've done the usual delete-n-add message on the talk page. -- Colin 21:24, 12 Aug 2005 (EDT)

I removed a badly formatted vote from User:tyron1 "Tyron Wilson". There is no such user here at wikitravel, so I am unable to notify the user of the error. -- Colin 21:37, 13 Aug 2005 (EDT)

Jannosch is really fr:User:Jannosch. This leads me to wonder if we accidently discriminated against Other Language users! Uh oh. Maybe we made a mistake requiring logins. -- Colin 19:05, 15 Aug 2005 (EDT)

Considering how close the vote is... wow. Just wow. --66.188.138.70 20:59, 15 Aug 2005 (EDT)

User:Tyron1 may have been ja:利用者:Tyron1. -- Colin 19:09, 15 Aug 2005 (EDT)

arnaudsugiez is perhaps fr:User:arnaudsugiez -- Colin 19:12, 15 Aug 2005 (EDT)

I wrote a note in English to each of the aforementioned otherlang wikitravellers. If anyone can write in their langauges, please write them a note asking them to vote again! -- Colin 19:16, 15 Aug 2005 (EDT)

In the end the vote margin appears to have been fairly significant (6 votes) so I think the winner is clear, but I do agree that this should have been handled better. Jpatokal 20:59, 15 Aug 2005 (EDT)
Congratulations, Mark! --66.188.138.70 21:00, 15 Aug 2005 (EDT)
Thanks, though it feels a little early for that. To me it feels more like everybody who contribute[d|s] deserves thanks and congratulations. I think User:Comrade009's design is very well thought of by a lot of folks so some aspects of it should be used in the overall branding scheme even if the compass star is going to be the logo. However the puzzle aspect of his has a very high negative rating so that part probably won't achieve a consensus; the use of icons is more interesting going forward. It's also clear that the colours from the old logo and the slanted W logo (and the logo with User:Owl's handwriting) are really good, so I think we should adopt those. -- Mark 04:20, 16 Aug 2005 (EDT)

Somebody's clock is wrong[edit]

My watch shows 9:30PM EDT, 1:30AM UTC. --Evan 21:30, 15 Aug 2005 (EDT)

Huh -- you mean EDT is not the same as server time?
16 Aug 2005
(diff) (hist) . . Wikitravel:Logo voting page; 00:59 . . Jpatokal (Talk)
So if the server is running UTC, why on earth was the voting time zone set to EDT then!? Jpatokal 22:37, 15 Aug 2005 (EDT)
And seems like the comment dates are also in EDT. Curiouser and curiouser... Jpatokal 22:41, 15 Aug 2005 (EDT)
One can set one's timezone for dynamically-generated text in the preferences (for example, I have mine set to +1 hour for BST). Unix-based (and most other-OS-based) servers always store their time in UTC and then rely on the software to adjust for timezones. Comments, on the other hand, are just part of the text of the page, so a time zone needs to be chosen for these. It seems that, when mediawiki was configured for WT, this was set to EDT. That said, the clock does seem to be almost 3 minutes out. -- Owl 03:17, 16 Aug 2005 (EDT)
Indeed. But I haven't touched my TZ settings, so why does it pick UTC as the default, not EDT? Jpatokal 04:26, 16 Aug 2005 (EDT)

Next steps[edit]

A few days have passed and the results have not been seriously — or, actually, at all — contested, so I guess it's now official — Mark's Compass Star is the winner.

So what's next? Is it time to plaster the logo all over Wikitravel, or Mark, are you still keen on making tweaks to it?

I would suggest that the exact version chosen in the contest should be put in place immediately, and if Mark (or others!) want to produce alternate versions and/or debate details then we could consider a Round 3 for picking the best variant. Jpatokal 04:11, 18 Aug 2005 (EDT)

Next steps[edit]

A few days have passed and the results have not been seriously — or, actually, at all — contested, so I guess it's now official: Mark's Compass Star is the winner. Congratulations!

So what's next? Is it time to plaster the logo all over Wikitravel, or Mark, are you still keen on making tweaks to it?

I would suggest that the exact version chosen in the contest should be put in place immediately, and if Mark (or others!) want to produce alternate versions and/or debate details then we could consider a Round 3 for picking the best variant. Jpatokal 04:11, 18 Aug 2005 (EDT)

I'm pretty keen on making some tweeks. We should probably also make guidelines governing it's use. That said I would tend to think that multiple variations can be used at the same time.
I'm also keen on doing a full rebranding which would include changing the default css (especially the background image). I think we should play around with using the icon idea (but not the puzzle) idea from Comrade009's entry for various branding bits like maybe with the canned messages the way Wikipedia does.
I'm also convinced that the Logo both text and emblem will improve with lots of tweaking over time. I really don't think we should hold a contest every single time. My feeling is that contests create winners and loosers and a lot of ill will. IMO, like everything else with Wikitravel the branding exercise should be about collaboration, not about competition. -- Mark 04:19, 18 Aug 2005 (EDT)
wow! Making CSS work in IE is hard. Sorry it's taking so long. -- Mark 10:08, 20 Oct 2005 (EDT)

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